[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I just want to see if I’m up to speed here.
To build like a bodybuilder, you should lift like a bodybuilder.
To build like a power lifter, you should lift like a power lifter.
To make progress in either, there should be some type of progression. (volume, weight, some combination of both?)
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Don’t be ridiculous.
Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why rugby players and MMA trainers are even in this thread OR this forum.
Just because we want to post… I train for strength, mass and conditioning. Does this make us “all over the place”? Nope. Athletes lift. Period. We are functional and strong. We also build mass. That’s a FACT. If you’re an athlete that’s your goal. You have to deal with more than looking symmetrical onstage.
Btw, sparring 3 times a week is NOTHING. It aint shit! You maybe huge and muscular, but I’d like to see you run through a tough conditioning session and see how well you do. Try keeping your mass. We have a hard time keeping mass not because “we are all over the place” but because it’s the rigours of the sport. And we try to make the most progress in the gym anyway. It’s not easy.
Speaking of powerlifters… Has anyone seen Dave Tate cut? He dwarfs some bodybuilders. What about CT? Anyone remember the article “The beast evolves?” He is originally an olympic lifter… I’d love for you to tell Dave Tate that “he’s all over the place”, lol.
“Unless you now get stopped regularly because of looking like a bodybuilder, I doubt anyone cares.” Typical meathead comment… We’ve seen plenty of your kind come and go… all sadly choked out, arm barred or knocked out… But I’m sure you don’t care…
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I just want to see if I’m up to speed here.
To build like a bodybuilder, you should lift like a bodybuilder.
To build like a power lifter, you should lift like a power lifter.
To make progress in either, there should be some type of progression. (volume, weight, some combination of both?)
[/quote]
Pretty much, I think a lot of stuff is being nuked here. Nothing wrong with that, but we are really making a mountain out of a mole hill with the whole “train like a bodybuilder” or “train like a powerlifter”. I think if people just trained and found out for themselves what they respond to, and more importantly what they like(it has to be an enjoyment factor)there would be very little debate.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
As a post on here mentioned, 99% of the people here will not actually compete in bodybuilding. That being the case, is it really a productive use of time to hit the biceps “from different angles?” Is symmetry really all that important? What’s more, I would guess around 75% of the people who come to this or any site looking to “get big” are really doing it to improve sports preformance. But they don’t say “I want to get big to get better at football/hockey/wrestling.” They just say “I want to get big.” And that’s when the fighting starts between the bodybuilding crowd and the strength crowd. This is why the writers are all promoting strength-based routines. It’s a way to hedge their bet. For the kid looking to get big for football, a strength routine is appropriate. For the guy looking to get big for personal reasons and not to compete in bodybuilding, a strength routine is appropriate.
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First, as X said, who really cares if someone decides to compete at BB’ing or not. If their goal is to have a BB’ers physique, then yes, they should train in such a way as to allow them to reach that goal. And as far as symmetry goes, yeah, it actually is fairly useful even to a non bodybuilder as it generally prevents muscle imbalances/injuries later on down the road. Even elite level powerlifters (who’s goal is generally just to have the highest total possible) do plenty of assistance work to try to eliminate “weak links” or muscle imbalances.
Second, even if your theory is true and most people do come here looking to gain size/strength for sport reasons, there is a whole forum titled “Powerlifting” one titled “Olympic lifting” one titled “combat sports” and one titled “conditioning”. So there’s really no reason that they need to be giving their input on the “Bodybuilding training” forum if that’s not how they train or their goal.
[quote]
I do Olympic lifting. My workouts involve either the snatch or clean and jerk, a snatch or clean pull, and a squat or front squat. Sometimes I’ll do a Romanian deadlift or even a conventional deadlift. That’s it. That’s all there is to my routine. Nice and simple. I can do it in my basement, but I also go to a weightlifting gym. If you flex your biceps at my gym, we will laugh at you. If you come in wanting to build big pecs, we will laugh at you. We have many “bodybuilding refugees” who were fed up with not getting stronger but are now happy with their strength gains. We don’t care how big you are; all we care about is weight on the bar. Even that is secondary - what’s even more important is your technique. We don’t worry about spotters. But we’ve also noticed something interesting - as we gain strength and put weight on the bar, we also tend to look better. Shocking. If we miss a lift, we drop the weight and no one yells. There are no mirrors. We don’t post shirtless pictures of ourselves on Internet forums. That’s just strange.[/quote]
[b]Good for you. But if that’s the case, then what on earth are you doing posting in the “Bodybuilding Training” forum? Do you see any of the guys who are training specifically for bodybuilding going into the “Olympic Lifting” forum and posting things like “you guys all look horrible and have no lateral delts, flat chests, and nonexistant biceps”? No, you don’t. You know why? Because we all know that those guys are training specifically with Olympic lifting in mind, not bodybuilding.
We don’t tell you how to train for your goal, or that training like we do will get you to your goal just as well as programs specifically designed to make you better at the Snatch and Clean and Jerk. Nor do we tell you that you are “strange” for having different goals than we do. Why is it so difficult for you to do the same?[/b][/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. Then people have the audacity to question what experienced bodybuilders have already known for many years. Nothing against Bricknyce…but swear a thread like this pops up every month and the same shit gets beat to death.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Pretty sure I just fucked up a joke with mad typo’s & misspellings and I can’t edit it, it isn’t showing.
I hate the tiny ass netbook I’m working with these days[/quote]
Guess not, I’m gonna go deadlift for bigger biceps
[quote]tap_u_out wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why rugby players and MMA trainers are even in this thread OR this forum.
Just because we want to be here. Pull your head out of your ass. I train for strength, mass and conditioning. Does this make us “all over the place”? Nope. Athletes lift. Period. We are functional and strong. We also build mass. That’s a FACT. If you’re an athlete that’s your goal. You have to deal with more than looking symmetrical onstage.
Btw, sparring 3 times a week is NOTHING. It aint shit! You maybe huge and muscular, but I’d like to see you run through a tough conditioning session and see how well you do. Try keeping your mass. We have a hard time keeping mass not because “we are all over the place” but because it’s the rigours of the sport. And we try to make the most progress in the gym anyway. It’s not easy.
Speaking of powerlifters… Has anyone seen Dave Tate cut? He dwarfs some bodybuilders. What about CT? Anyone remember the article “The beast evolves?” He is originally an olympic lifter… I’d love for you to tell Dave Tate that “he’s all over the place”, lol.
“Unless you now get stopped regularly because of looking like a bodybuilder, I doubt anyone cares.” Typical meathead comment… We’ve seen plenty of your kind come and go… all sadly choked out, arm barred or knocked out… But I’m sure you don’t care…
[/quote]
Fucking stupid.
Dave Tate chose a goal. he tried his hand at bodybuilding. he then tried his hand at powerlifting and did even better. He wasn’t trying to pull his body in ten different directions. Bodybuilding and powerlifting have a hell of a lot in common so how the hell does that even compare to someone interested in combat fighting? Why the fuck would someone challenge me to some form of training that I do not train for or care about?
You guys come here because we are obviously more interesting to read than the other forums. That is the ONLY fucking explanation for why this thread was read so many damn times today when many of you ARE NOT TRAINING FOR BODYBUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE IT…yet you fucking come to a BODYBUILDING forum to tell US how to train.
How fucking gawddamn retarded do you have to be to think that makes sense?
[quote]tap_u_out wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why rugby players and MMA trainers are even in this thread OR this forum.
Just because we want to be here. Pull your head out of your ass. I train for strength, mass and conditioning. Does this make us “all over the place”? Nope. Athletes lift. Period. We are functional and strong. We also build mass. That’s a FACT. If you’re an athlete that’s your goal. You have to deal with more than looking symmetrical onstage.
Btw, sparring 3 times a week is NOTHING. It aint shit! You maybe huge and muscular, but I’d like to see you run through a tough conditioning session and see how well you do. Try keeping your mass. We have a hard time keeping mass not because “we are all over the place” but because it’s the rigours of the sport. And we try to make the most progress in the gym anyway. It’s not easy.
Speaking of powerlifters… Has anyone seen Dave Tate cut? He dwarfs some bodybuilders. What about CT? Anyone remember the article “The beast evolves?” He is originally an olympic lifter… I’d love for you to tell Dave Tate that “he’s all over the place”, lol.
“Unless you now get stopped regularly because of looking like a bodybuilder, I doubt anyone cares.” Typical meathead comment… We’ve seen plenty of your kind come and go… all sadly choked out, arm barred or knocked out… But I’m sure you don’t care…
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^ ^ ^ Here’s a guy who completely missed the point and is proving everything that X and co. said to be perfectly accurate. Congrats. Run along now and go snuggle with another dude “in full guard”.
This is absolutely hilarious… The people that consider themselves “bodybuilders” have no clue as to why.
As far as walking down the street, someone is not going to notice the difference in physique of someone like Marius, Dave Tate, or Kroc and your average pro bb’er. Sure there are subtelties in proportions, and “symmetry”, but to the average person you are either gonna be big, big and lean, or not.
But that doesn’t really matter. What matters is that you have the physique THAT YOU WANT. If you care about the little symmetry things, then make sure to take care of them. If you dont care about them, then fuck it, you dont need to worry about them.
There are any of us here, that are tired of the douche bag T-Nation “alphas” that thing they are the shit. You self proclaim that you are a bodybuilder (which most of us would agree is ONLY based on your own definitions) and belittle everyone that isn’t focusing on he same things as you.
There are some of us that want to add some size and strength, maybe get a physique like John Cena, or an oldschool bodybuilder, or a ripped powerlifter. Some of us recognize, that you can attain these physiques likely equally with whatever type of routine you prefer.
So in conclusion to all of that. Stop being douchebags and accept the fact that these forums aren’t here for ONLY you.
Also, I will say that I agree with prof X. to an extend. A very, very small extent. If your true goal is to be as big as possible then you need to avoid energy/recovery sinkholes like MMA and other sports. I was unable to progress much in weight/strength for a few years, because of too much time spent doing martial arts and skimboarding. This was in no way a mistake though, and this is where I disagree with Prof X. At that time, my priority was not to be as big and strong as possible, and I enjoyed every moment of my other activities. Now that im not into those activities, and my priorities have shifted I have been able to focus more on size/strength and am making the new progress.
So for all of you out there, that post here, because you are interested in getting size/strength but maybe dont consider yourself a bodybuilder, dont worry. There are far more like you on these forums than people like prof X. Just make sure that you are true with your priorities and train in a manner thatn will get you toward your goals.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
As a post on here mentioned, 99% of the people here will not actually compete in bodybuilding. That being the case, is it really a productive use of time to hit the biceps “from different angles?” Is symmetry really all that important? What’s more, I would guess around 75% of the people who come to this or any site looking to “get big” are really doing it to improve sports preformance. But they don’t say “I want to get big to get better at football/hockey/wrestling.” They just say “I want to get big.” And that’s when the fighting starts between the bodybuilding crowd and the strength crowd. This is why the writers are all promoting strength-based routines. It’s a way to hedge their bet. For the kid looking to get big for football, a strength routine is appropriate. For the guy looking to get big for personal reasons and not to compete in bodybuilding, a strength routine is appropriate.
[/quote]
First, as X said, who really cares if someone decides to compete at BB’ing or not. If their goal is to have a BB’ers physique, then yes, they should train in such a way as to allow them to reach that goal. And as far as symmetry goes, yeah, it actually is fairly useful even to a non bodybuilder as it generally prevents muscle imbalances/injuries later on down the road. Even elite level powerlifters (who’s goal is generally just to have the highest total possible) do plenty of assistance work to try to eliminate “weak links” or muscle imbalances.
Second, even if your theory is true and most people do come here looking to gain size/strength for sport reasons, there is a whole forum titled “Powerlifting” one titled “Olympic lifting” one titled “combat sports” and one titled “conditioning”. So there’s really no reason that they need to be giving their input on the “Bodybuilding training” forum if that’s not how they train or their goal.
[quote]
I do Olympic lifting. My workouts involve either the snatch or clean and jerk, a snatch or clean pull, and a squat or front squat. Sometimes I’ll do a Romanian deadlift or even a conventional deadlift. That’s it. That’s all there is to my routine. Nice and simple. I can do it in my basement, but I also go to a weightlifting gym. If you flex your biceps at my gym, we will laugh at you. If you come in wanting to build big pecs, we will laugh at you. We have many “bodybuilding refugees” who were fed up with not getting stronger but are now happy with their strength gains. We don’t care how big you are; all we care about is weight on the bar. Even that is secondary - what’s even more important is your technique. We don’t worry about spotters. But we’ve also noticed something interesting - as we gain strength and put weight on the bar, we also tend to look better. Shocking. If we miss a lift, we drop the weight and no one yells. There are no mirrors. We don’t post shirtless pictures of ourselves on Internet forums. That’s just strange.[/quote]
Good for you. But if that’s the case, then what on earth are you doing posting in the “Bodybuilding Training” forum? Do you see any of the guys who are training specifically for bodybuilding going into the “Olympic Lifting” forum and posting things like “you guys all look horrible and have no lateral delts, flat chests, and nonexistant biceps”? No, you don’t. You know why? Because we all know that those guys are training specifically with Olympic lifting in mind, not bodybuilding.
We don’t tell you how to train for your goal, or that training like we do will get you to your goal just as well as programs specifically designed to make you better at the Snatch and Clean and Jerk. Nor do we tell you that you are “strange” for having different goals than we do. Why is it so difficult for you to do the same?[/quote]
Because this thread also mentions “why train for strength?”
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Pretty sure I just fucked up a joke with mad typo’s & misspellings and I can’t edit it, it isn’t showing.
I hate the tiny ass netbook I’m working with these days[/quote]
Guess not, I’m gonna go deadlift for bigger biceps
[/quote]
Now you’re just being silly, CHINS for bicepts…
Write this one down.
“Chin Ups = Functional Strenght”
EDIT: After reading the “Bicep Murder Thread,” I realize I should clarify. I was kidding.
[quote]bblb wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I just want to see if I’m up to speed here.
To build like a bodybuilder, you should lift like a bodybuilder.
To build like a power lifter, you should lift like a power lifter.
To make progress in either, there should be some type of progression. (volume, weight, some combination of both?)
[/quote]
Pretty much, I think a lot of stuff is being nuked here. Nothing wrong with that, but we are really making a mountain out of a mole hill with the whole “train like a bodybuilder” or “train like a powerlifter”. I think if people just trained and found out for themselves what they respond to, and more importantly what they like(it has to be an enjoyment factor)there would be very little debate.
[/quote]
/thread
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]tap_u_out wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why rugby players and MMA trainers are even in this thread OR this forum.
Just because we want to be here. Pull your head out of your ass. I train for strength, mass and conditioning. Does this make us “all over the place”? Nope. Athletes lift. Period. We are functional and strong. We also build mass. That’s a FACT. If you’re an athlete that’s your goal. You have to deal with more than looking symmetrical onstage.
Btw, sparring 3 times a week is NOTHING. It aint shit! You maybe huge and muscular, but I’d like to see you run through a tough conditioning session and see how well you do. Try keeping your mass. We have a hard time keeping mass not because “we are all over the place” but because it’s the rigours of the sport. And we try to make the most progress in the gym anyway. It’s not easy.
Speaking of powerlifters… Has anyone seen Dave Tate cut? He dwarfs some bodybuilders. What about CT? Anyone remember the article “The beast evolves?” He is originally an olympic lifter… I’d love for you to tell Dave Tate that “he’s all over the place”, lol.
“Unless you now get stopped regularly because of looking like a bodybuilder, I doubt anyone cares.” Typical meathead comment… We’ve seen plenty of your kind come and go… all sadly choked out, arm barred or knocked out… But I’m sure you don’t care…
[/quote]
^ ^ ^ Here’s a guy who completely missed the point and is proving everything that X and co. said to be perfectly accurate. Congrats. Run along now and go snuggle with another dude “in full guard”. [/quote]
That’s a lame statement… It’s very easy to talk behind your keyboard. I urge you to walk into any BJJ or MMA gym near you and tell the smallest guy in there to go “snuggle” in full guard. Please… Does being turned into a pretzel appeal to you? Get the fuck out of here and go get your little bikini and go oil yourself up along with other dudes. Do you help each other out while oiling? I’m sure you do! That turns me on! LMAO.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
How fucking gawddamn retarded do you have to be to think that makes sense?[/quote]
Lol, I can’t believe this still happens with all these other forums now.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]tap_u_out wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why rugby players and MMA trainers are even in this thread OR this forum.
Just because we want to be here. Pull your head out of your ass. I train for strength, mass and conditioning. Does this make us “all over the place”? Nope. Athletes lift. Period. We are functional and strong. We also build mass. That’s a FACT. If you’re an athlete that’s your goal. You have to deal with more than looking symmetrical onstage.
Btw, sparring 3 times a week is NOTHING. It aint shit! You maybe huge and muscular, but I’d like to see you run through a tough conditioning session and see how well you do. Try keeping your mass. We have a hard time keeping mass not because “we are all over the place” but because it’s the rigours of the sport. And we try to make the most progress in the gym anyway. It’s not easy.
Speaking of powerlifters… Has anyone seen Dave Tate cut? He dwarfs some bodybuilders. What about CT? Anyone remember the article “The beast evolves?” He is originally an olympic lifter… I’d love for you to tell Dave Tate that “he’s all over the place”, lol.
“Unless you now get stopped regularly because of looking like a bodybuilder, I doubt anyone cares.” Typical meathead comment… We’ve seen plenty of your kind come and go… all sadly choked out, arm barred or knocked out… But I’m sure you don’t care…
[/quote]
Fucking stupid.
Dave Tate chose a goal. he tried his hand at bodybuilding. he then tried his hand at powerlifting and did even better. He wasn’t trying to pull his body in ten different directions. Bodybuilding and powerlifting have a hell of a lot in common so how the hell does that even compare to someone interested in combat fighting? Why the fuck would someone challenge me to some form of training that I do not train for or care about?
You guys come here because we are obviously more interesting to read than the other forums. That is the ONLY fucking explanation for why this thread was read so many damn times today when many of you ARE NOT TRAINING FOR BODYBUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE IT…yet you fucking come to a BODYBUILDING forum to tell US how to train.
How fucking gawddamn retarded do you have to be to think that makes sense?[/quote]
You are missing the point. Nobody is telling your dumb ass how to train. We are however, making a point that just because we are athletes it does not mean in any way we can’t build our bodies. I don’t wanna be a “bodybuilder” yet I do build my body… I have to build my body, yet I’m not going in ten different directions.
Nobody can’t tell me Shamrock, GSP, Couture, or Lesnar have not built their bodies. Sherk is another example and there are plenty more. They may not be bodybuilders, but have well built physiques.
Nobody is challenging you to something you CAN’T do, so don’t flater yourself. All show,no go.
[quote]tap_u_out wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]tap_u_out wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why rugby players and MMA trainers are even in this thread OR this forum.
Just because we want to be here. Pull your head out of your ass. I train for strength, mass and conditioning. Does this make us “all over the place”? Nope. Athletes lift. Period. We are functional and strong. We also build mass. That’s a FACT. If you’re an athlete that’s your goal. You have to deal with more than looking symmetrical onstage.
Btw, sparring 3 times a week is NOTHING. It aint shit! You maybe huge and muscular, but I’d like to see you run through a tough conditioning session and see how well you do. Try keeping your mass. We have a hard time keeping mass not because “we are all over the place” but because it’s the rigours of the sport. And we try to make the most progress in the gym anyway. It’s not easy.
Speaking of powerlifters… Has anyone seen Dave Tate cut? He dwarfs some bodybuilders. What about CT? Anyone remember the article “The beast evolves?” He is originally an olympic lifter… I’d love for you to tell Dave Tate that “he’s all over the place”, lol.
“Unless you now get stopped regularly because of looking like a bodybuilder, I doubt anyone cares.” Typical meathead comment… We’ve seen plenty of your kind come and go… all sadly choked out, arm barred or knocked out… But I’m sure you don’t care…
[/quote]
^ ^ ^ Here’s a guy who completely missed the point and is proving everything that X and co. said to be perfectly accurate. Congrats. Run along now and go snuggle with another dude “in full guard”. [/quote]
That’s a lame statement… It’s very easy to talk behind your keyboard. I urge you to walk into any BJJ or MMA gym near you and tell the smallest guy in there to go “snuggle” in full guard. Please… Does being turned into a pretzel appeal to you? Get the fuck out of here. [/quote]
Your attention span is short.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Just out of curiosity Bricknyc, what are 3 of the more popular “bodybuilding” routines/systems that are the “right” way to train as opposed to “strength” routines?[/quote]
Any routine that follows the guidelines I wrote in my Bodybuilding Bible thread, considering that’s how EVERY successful bodybuilder trains (except for the DC cult that represents a fraction of a percent of successful bodybuilders).
By the way, I myself made some of my initial size gains with a Bill Starr routine, a routine that was very, VERY different than any effective bodybuilding routine. If I recall correctly, it looked like this:
Day 1:
Squat (heavy)
Bench
Deadlift
Assistance exercise
Assistance exercise
Day 2:
Incline press
Stiff-legged deadlift
Squat (medium)
Assistance exercise
Assistance exercise
Day 3:
Overhead press
Good morning
Squat (light)
Assistance exercise
Assistance exercise
I’m not a stranger to strength routines, by the way.
A lot of passion in this thread. lol
Whenever you throw multiple and more complex variables in the mix there will be a degree of subjectivity. Training is really just a vehicle to your destination. I could choose to drive to Mexico City, Vancouver or Seattle … the vehicles I use may differ (at different times) but at the end of the day my goal is to reach my destination. I simply choose the BEST VEHICLE for the BEST TIME.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
As a post on here mentioned, 99% of the people here will not actually compete in bodybuilding. That being the case, is it really a productive use of time to hit the biceps “from different angles?” Is symmetry really all that important? What’s more, I would guess around 75% of the people who come to this or any site looking to “get big” are really doing it to improve sports preformance. But they don’t say “I want to get big to get better at football/hockey/wrestling.” They just say “I want to get big.” And that’s when the fighting starts between the bodybuilding crowd and the strength crowd. This is why the writers are all promoting strength-based routines. It’s a way to hedge their bet. For the kid looking to get big for football, a strength routine is appropriate. For the guy looking to get big for personal reasons and not to compete in bodybuilding, a strength routine is appropriate.
[/quote]
First, as X said, who really cares if someone decides to compete at BB’ing or not. If their goal is to have a BB’ers physique, then yes, they should train in such a way as to allow them to reach that goal. And as far as symmetry goes, yeah, it actually is fairly useful even to a non bodybuilder as it generally prevents muscle imbalances/injuries later on down the road.
Even elite level powerlifters (who’s goal is generally just to have the highest total possible) do plenty of assistance work to try to eliminate “weak links” or muscle imbalances.
Second, even if your theory is true and most people do come here looking to gain size/strength for sport reasons, there is a whole forum titled “Powerlifting” one titled “Olympic lifting” one titled “combat sports” and one titled “conditioning”. So there’s really no reason that they need to be giving their input on the “Bodybuilding training” forum if that’s not how they train or their goal.
[quote]
I do Olympic lifting. My workouts involve either the snatch or clean and jerk, a snatch or clean pull, and a squat or front squat. Sometimes I’ll do a Romanian deadlift or even a conventional deadlift. That’s it. That’s all there is to my routine. Nice and simple. I can do it in my basement, but I also go to a weightlifting gym. If you flex your biceps at my gym, we will laugh at you. If you come in wanting to build big pecs, we will laugh at you.
We have many “bodybuilding refugees” who were fed up with not getting stronger but are now happy with their strength gains. We don’t care how big you are; all we care about is weight on the bar. Even that is secondary - what’s even more important is your technique. We don’t worry about spotters. But we’ve also noticed something interesting - as we gain strength and put weight on the bar, we also tend to look better. Shocking. If we miss a lift, we drop the weight and no one yells. There are no mirrors. We don’t post shirtless pictures of ourselves on Internet forums. That’s just strange.[/quote]
Good for you. But if that’s the case, then what on earth are you doing posting in the “Bodybuilding Training” forum? Do you see any of the guys who are training specifically for bodybuilding going into the “Olympic Lifting” forum and posting things like “you guys all look horrible and have no lateral delts, flat chests, and nonexistant biceps”? No, you don’t. You know why? Because we all know that those guys are training specifically with Olympic lifting in mind, not bodybuilding.
We don’t tell you how to train for your goal, or that training like we do will get you to your goal just as well as programs specifically designed to make you better at the Snatch and Clean and Jerk. Nor do we tell you that you are “strange” for having different goals than we do. Why is it so difficult for you to do the same?[/quote]
I normally DON’T come on the BB forum but I saw this in the “Most popular” up top, I figured it would be a train wreck, and had to come look. My post was intended to explain why we are seeing more articles focusing on strength. I probably should have left out the other stuff. Based on my experience, BBers like X and Bricknyce who recommend squats and deadlifts are in the minority.
Consequently, you have kids who “want to get big” getting advice from BBers when what they really mean is “I want to gain weight and get strong so I can be better at football and hockey.” They then do bicep curls and load up the leg press, thinking that a 500 lbs. leg press will make their legs strong. Know what a 500 lbs. leg press equals in a squat? About 250. Maybe.
This is the problem I have with BB. So, I guess I agree that gaining strength and gaining size should be separate topics. I won’t talk about how to gain size if you don’t talk about how to gain strength.
Oh, and if you did come to the Olympic lifting forum and said things like “you guys all look horrible and have no lateral delts, flat chests, and nonexistant biceps” we would probably agree with you and then tell you that we didn’t care one way or the other.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Nom nom nom…skimboarding…nom nom.[/quote]
Fixed that for you. Now worries, broseph.
[quote]CGspot wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]CGspot wrote:
Well from what I’ve seen in the bodybuilding gym I trained at none of the body builders did free weight bench, squat, or deadlift. Yes they used variations like hammer machine presses and leg press/machine squat(which are all compound lifts). When I stopped doing those three big lifts and moved to machines I got no where.
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Why don’t you post that routine, sets, reps here… Maybe a week from your logbook, plus how you progressed over the next month and what you ate?
Sounds very suspect to me… Did you stop progressing all out of a sudden or what?
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I started with an exercise like a hammer machine press. Warmed up. Did a couple of sets of ten reps all the while adding weight. Stopped when I couldn’t get to 10. Meaning I went as hard as I could and if I got 6 I got 6. I then would sometimes cut the weight in half and quickly grind out 15-20 more reps. Then I’d move on to another chest exercise. For a day like chest I would use about 3-4 different exercise. I did not cut the weight in half after every exercise. I looked for progression by trying to get more reps week to week.
My split was chest, back, legs, shoulders, arms. MTRFS.
I was eating low carb. Tons of fatty meats. Something like 10oz every meal. Plus a lot of eggs, cheeses, nuts etc. I was not keeping track of cals at that time.
My point is though that even though I trained the way the bodybuilders did (and under their guidance) I never felt as drained after a workout as I do now.
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I thought not making gains was the problem? I don’t even know what to say to that… I give up.