[quote]tap_u_out wrote:
Again… when did I ever say I’d kick anyone’s ass? Plzzz…[/quote]
Tapuout, its just implied that if you do MMA you are gonna kick some ass and choke out some fools. Just like, if you are a bodybuilder, you must own a skimpy little tangerine thong, and bottles of oil. (/kidding… mostly)
[quote]charlotte49er wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And to the jagoffs who dislike and criticize this thread and me, why not stay out? If it was such a jackassy thread and not food for thought, how come it turned out to be so popular within HOURS of being posted? [/quote]
I don’t know why you started this thread here, you had to of known that a bunch of MMA twats would come here and start a fight. You should’ve started it in the T-Cell so you could’ve gotten some intelligent responses.[/quote]
I generally agree with what’s being said. I did not come here to start a fight. We are talking about strength and size… Do we not all train for that? Yes, with different goals. When I’m not competing I like to train for size. I use the 5/3/1. Granted I do not wanna be a BBer, but I do like the strength and size the program gives me. I can modify some the assistance exercises if i feel the need to improve on a body part. No biggie.
I like Bricknyce’s posts. He’s respectful. But others, damn… if you don’t agree with them or are not a BBer you aren’t welcome. The bottom line is we all lift. We all have something in common.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]trextacy wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]trextacy wrote:
man this is pathetic. yet another thread started to create a strawman and defend the perceived “attack” on the BODYBUILDING FORUM. complete with semantics about who is and who is not a part of the “BODYBUILDING” club, people posting on the forum who don’t have the blessing or permission of those with the mosts posts, etc.
how many “draw a line in the sand” and “stand and be counted” threads do we need…where the sole purpose is to defend the sanctity of a fucking internet forum? my god this is sad.
oh, and plenty of bodybuilders have trained plenty of ways throughout the years. sure, lifting with enough volume and heavy weights is a part of it. holy shit, stop the presses.
they also have insane genetics and have access to solid drugs. this is the reality of “pro bodybuilding”.
stick that into the “Bible” thread. those are the real difference makers- lets be honest (I know, not a popular position because everyone’s hardcore and doesn’t want to acknowledge it).
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Wrong thread?
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No…everything i said applies to this thread.
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Sometimes I just don’t get you. I’m pretty sure you know what I mean, too.
That being said, I hope your training is going well? Haven’t heard from you on that in some time.
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I don’t know what you mean actually. Send me a PM is that measure of discretion is warranted…last we spoke was early last summer and I believe you gave me some very helpful tips on an A/B split. I was doing low-ish carbs and leaning out before my wedding. I’m currently doing a standard 4-way split based on advice you’ve given before. Oh, and you haven’t heard from me because, if I recall, you can’t accept PMs any more. Not sure if that’s changed.
My disdain and irritation with a certain contingent of folks on this site has always been pretty evident. You are not one of those people.
Brick wasn’t either, until for some strange reason he suddenly decided to abandon bodybuilding, be healthy, start a gigantic thread on Rapid Fat Loss, YET thereafter begin a campaign of thread starting and posting that vigorously defended the integrity of the BODYBUILDING FORUM and curry favor with the “board elite”.
I’m guessing this started right around the time he began responding to posters posts he doesn’t like (see his responses to me above) with 5+ different posts, reflecting a convoluted, disjointed thought process and inability to focus on a single task. This is of course overcompensated for by making personal attacks on matters he knows nothing about.
My own armchair psychology on the matter is that Brick devoted significant numbers of years to “bodybuilding”, but other than looking stocky and bigger than “most guys” he never got anywhere with it and no one was really impressed by it either (particularly women); at least not proportionate to the time/energy invested. He finally saw the light (probably turned 30 or so) and decided to just be in shape and lose all the extra fat. Being lean and under 200 lbs for a guy under 6’ isn’t such a bad thing after all. So, he did that (more or less…not sure his exact stats) and has posted that he no longer “bodybuilds”.
But to avoid acknowledging all of those wasted years of emotional/intellectual/physical investment, he’s changed his posting patterns a bit and is now moonlighting as a stalwart of a BODYBUILDING FORUM and putting all of that accumulated knowledge/investment to “good” use so he can rail against things that the cool kids rail against (various coaches, training styles, etc.). You know, still keep a foot in the door so those years weren’t a total waste.
Personally, I’m rooting for him to get the T-Cell invite he’s so tirelessly campaigning for. We all need validation and acceptance.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I also ask jagoffs, like I’ve done before, if they know anyone personally in powerlifting and bodybuilding. Have they ever step foot in a hardcore gym that has hardcore powerlifters and bodybuilders, both natural and drug-aided?
I asked Trextacy before if he even knows anyone intimately that uses performance-enhancing drugs, and if so, if they all of the sudden experienced Superman-like powers–increased work capacity, back-breaking poundages, and warp speed recovery–overnight?
Talk to some pros and top amateurs and powerlifters and most will say that steroids are BOTH overrated (they don’t make everything so goddamn easy and dangerous side effects are usually seen in abusers) and underrated (they do work and side effects do occur and should be taken seriously)![/quote]
Been there. Trained around both high level bodybuilders (guys who win state shows on a regular basis and are nationally qualified) and around no less than 6 1000 lb squatters. I’ve side spotted 600 lb raw bench presses, seen 1000 lb low rack pulls, 500 lb floor presses, sets of 50 with 120 lb dumbells. I’ve also trained elsewhere with a nationally ranked natural powerlifter.
If you think steroids are overrated in terms of results or how they change the game, then you’re dumber than I thought. Throw a natural lifter in at WS, Lexen, Supertraining, BIG, any of the big powerlifting gyms in the US and see how long they last before they end up overtrained or injured from the sheer volume of work that those guys endure on a day-to-day basis.
Just because you talked to Dave Tate on the phone once or went to one of Jim’s seminars doesn’t mean you know dick-all about powerlifting or how to train for strength. This is yet again another case of you misrepresenting yourself and your own experience in order to achieve some coveted bro-veteran status.
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I already told you I’m not a veteran of shit! Nor do I give a damn about some “coveted bro-veteran status” as I don’t see such status benefiting my life at all.
I brought up the fact that I’ve met Wendler several times and own some of his work because Dankid consistently accuses me of slamming other methods and other people’s written works.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I also ask jagoffs, like I’ve done before, if they know anyone personally in powerlifting and bodybuilding. Have they ever step foot in a hardcore gym that has hardcore powerlifters and bodybuilders, both natural and drug-aided?
I asked Trextacy before if he even knows anyone intimately that uses performance-enhancing drugs, and if so, if they all of the sudden experienced Superman-like powers–increased work capacity, back-breaking poundages, and warp speed recovery–overnight?
Talk to some pros and top amateurs and powerlifters and most will say that steroids are BOTH overrated (they don’t make everything so goddamn easy and dangerous side effects are usually seen in abusers) and underrated (they do work and side effects do occur and should be taken seriously)![/quote]
Been there. Trained around both high level bodybuilders (guys who win state shows on a regular basis and are nationally qualified) and around no less than 6 1000 lb squatters. I’ve side spotted 600 lb raw bench presses, seen 1000 lb low rack pulls, 500 lb floor presses, sets of 50 with 120 lb dumbells. I’ve also trained elsewhere with a nationally ranked natural powerlifter.
If you think steroids are overrated in terms of results or how they change the game, then you’re dumber than I thought. Throw a natural lifter in at WS, Lexen, Supertraining, BIG, any of the big powerlifting gyms in the US and see how long they last before they end up overtrained or injured from the sheer volume of work that those guys endure on a day-to-day basis.
Just because you talked to Dave Tate on the phone once or went to one of Jim’s seminars doesn’t mean you know dick-all about powerlifting or how to train for strength. This is yet again another case of you misrepresenting yourself and your own experience in order to achieve some coveted bro-veteran status.
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This. Steroids are a complete game changer. Anyone who thinks otherwise is eitehr dishonest or a fucking retard.
And yes, Brick, like most everyone who lifts I had the friends in college who did, and those who did not. Those who did blew up and stayed lean, ate pizza 24/7 and stayed lean.
That’s how it work 90% of the time.
Just look at some before/after pics ALL OVER the internet of what a solid couple of cycles can do!
Read the “Truth about bulking” article by CT- you can grow about 1 lb of dry muscle per month naturally, yet someone posts a 12 lbs muscle gain in a year (assuming older than 22) and people here mock them. Why? Because their perspective is fucked up because of what is served up as “normal” and reasonable. Reasonable expectations and awareness of limitations are not anti-hardcore. It’s reality.
Yes, people who use drugs have to train hard and with intensity. I don’t take ANYTHING away from guys like Ronnie, Dorian, etc. for their achievements.
I point it out to provide proper perspective for your recreational lifters out there, who, by the way, are the target audience and reason for this site’s existence (to sell supplements to as many people as possible).
No (or very, very few) competing/pro bodybuilders post here- period.
It’s like a bunch of chicks idolizing female porn stars and talking about the right eye creams and thigh exercises and other useless shit…it’s mainly genetics and “unnatural” means.
Oh, and the “intensity” of these guys that juice is largely the RESULT of the drugs.
I would train as hard and intense and as frequently and with as much weight as these guys IF I COULD, but I can’t…because i stay natural.
Dankid,
It’s really pointless arguing any point on here. I gave up really ever posting anything serious. We will never be part of the bodybuilding club these guys are in. They don’t hand out the cards anymore.
So we should start our own club. I’ll let you be President if I can be Vice Chancellor of the Universe. Cephalic Carnage is also invited to join despite our difference of opinion on DragonForce.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
What does my nutrition coursework and RD credential have to do with anything in this thread? I’m not a “veteran” of shit, considering I’ve never formally competed in a sport and never went off to war.
I’m also one of the first people that admits I don’t know everything about everything. [/quote]
I don’t know what it has to do with anything, but seeing as how you bring it up in just about every thread that makes your beady little eyes tear up with rage, I figured I’d mention it too.
If you’re not a veteran of any sort, then do you admit that you have relatively little first hand knowledge of successful bodybuilding?
I ask this because it seem like the second anyone mentions ANYTHING that is more than half of a degree of freedom away from the program you outlined in your bodybuilding bible thread, you come tearing in and throw a tantrum because it doesn’t fit YOUR own paradigm of what training for bodybuilding “ought to be”.
The ultimate irony is that there are several people on this board with physiques far surpassing your own doughy smurfishness who train in some manner entirely opposite to what you say everyone is supposed to do (or else!)
For instance, Big M has stated repeatedly that at 280 something lbs, he has built the majority of his mass using ideas similar to Chad Waterbury’s. Or, we could talk about the MMA guy in this thread who displays a better build than your hardcore bodybuilding self. Explain that.
After all of the time you spent ranting about Poliquin’s insane ego on here and Facebook, I think its funny that you yourself are flying into Koresh-like fits of rage over someone disagreeing with you.
[quote]LazyElemental wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]LazyElemental wrote:
[quote]TornadoTommy wrote:
For me, strength increases have always come with a corresponding increase in size, and vice versa. Maybe I’m doing something wrong.[/quote]
Same here, I guess we’re just weird! [/quote]
Or maybe you both completely missed the point… Now, the topic is somewhat misleading, so no biggie… Still, it helps if one reads through the thread before posting.
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C_C, with all due respect, I believe it is actually you and Bonez who have missed the point of these gentlemen in this case. They are pretty much agreeing with everyone who is not a moron, but using sarcasm as their catalyst.[/quote]
I hope you’re right.
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GZ nailed my intentions, so your hope was not in vain[/quote]
Then I completely missed that also. Its tough to hide sarcastic posts among so many similar posts that aren;t sarcastic. Anyway, exuse my mental deficiencies comment.
Honestly this thread is turning into a a mess . If your training is geared towards a specific goal and you are reaching that said specific goal then that all that really matters you won the game.
Hope these circular arguments can stop IMO
[quote]trextacy wrote:
No (or very, very few) competing/pro bodybuilders post here- period.[/quote]
I was never close to being a “pro,” but I and many others who post have or do compete. Most of us just never make a big deal about it.
Maybe you live in an area where competitive bodybuilding isn’t popular in the local gyms, but around here it’s not uncommon to have done at least a contest if you train in one of the more serious gyms.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
[quote]trextacy wrote:
No (or very, very few) competing/pro bodybuilders post here- period.[/quote]
I was never close to being a “pro,” but I and many others who post have or do compete. Most of us just never make a big deal about it.
Maybe you live in an area where competitive bodybuilding isn’t popular in the local gyms, but around here it’s not uncommon to have done at least a contest if you train in one of the more serious gyms.[/quote]
It’s not uncommon here either. If I hadn’t gone to school and the military, I have no doubt I would have competed by now simply because that was all I surrounded myself with before then.
Many of these guys seem to lack any true experience around what they keep rambling about.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
[quote]trextacy wrote:
No (or very, very few) competing/pro bodybuilders post here- period.[/quote]
I was never close to being a “pro,” but I and many others who post have or do compete. Most of us just never make a big deal about it.
Maybe you live in an area where competitive bodybuilding isn’t popular in the local gyms, but around here it’s not uncommon to have done at least a contest if you train in one of the more serious gyms.[/quote]
But most here don’t. Point is, most are “recreational” lifters (regardless if someone has competed in a local show) and the faux hardcore attitude is unwarranted. Defining “bodybuilding” and “bodybuilders” solely as those who do so single-mindedly and with an eye for the stage, just like it’s BS to act like bodybuilders have to be behemoths…there are weight classes for a reason. I’m not saying you say this or believe this, just addressing a very loud, annoying contingent of internet big girls who post here.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
What does my nutrition coursework and RD credential have to do with anything in this thread? I’m not a “veteran” of shit, considering I’ve never formally competed in a sport and never went off to war.
I’m also one of the first people that admits I don’t know everything about everything. [/quote]
I don’t know what it has to do with anything, but seeing as how you bring it up in just about every thread that makes your beady little eyes tear up with rage, I figured I’d mention it too.
If you’re not a veteran of any sort, then do you admit that you have relatively little first hand knowledge of successful bodybuilding?
I ask this because it seem like the second anyone mentions ANYTHING that is more than half of a degree of freedom away from the program you outlined in your bodybuilding bible thread, you come tearing in and throw a tantrum because it doesn’t fit YOUR own paradigm of what training for bodybuilding “ought to be”.
The ultimate irony is that there are several people on this board with physiques far surpassing your own doughy smurfishness who train in some manner entirely opposite to what you say everyone is supposed to do (or else!)
For instance, Big M has stated repeatedly that at 280 something lbs, he has built the majority of his mass using ideas similar to Chad Waterbury’s. Or, we could talk about the MMA guy in this thread who displays a better build than your hardcore bodybuilding self. Explain that.
After all of the time you spent ranting about Poliquin’s insane ego on here and Facebook, I think its funny that you yourself are flying into Koresh-like fits of rage over someone disagreeing with you.[/quote]
You’re putting too much effort into this. Most of the guys that slam anyone that disagrees with them as being weak and untrained point to the fact that they never post any pics. Then you see that these guys also never post any pics. That Bonez guy is about the only one that bitches about people posting no photos that actually posts his own, and he is actually in pretty good shape.
Poliquin, Waterbury, Thibaudeau, Stayley, et al. are all right. You can get big and strong on any of their programs if you put in the right time and intensity.
Wanna join Dankid and my club?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
What does my nutrition coursework and RD credential have to do with anything in this thread? I’m not a “veteran” of shit, considering I’ve never formally competed in a sport and never went off to war.
I’m also one of the first people that admits I don’t know everything about everything. [/quote]
I don’t know what it has to do with anything, but seeing as how you bring it up in just about every thread that makes your beady little eyes tear up with rage, I figured I’d mention it too.
If you’re not a veteran of any sort, then do you admit that you have relatively little first hand knowledge of successful bodybuilding?
I ask this because it seem like the second anyone mentions ANYTHING that is more than half of a degree of freedom away from the program you outlined in your bodybuilding bible thread, you come tearing in and throw a tantrum because it doesn’t fit YOUR own paradigm of what training for bodybuilding “ought to be”.
The ultimate irony is that there are several people on this board with physiques far surpassing your own doughy smurfishness who train in some manner entirely opposite to what you say everyone is supposed to do (or else!)
For instance, Big M has stated repeatedly that at 280 something lbs, he has built the majority of his mass using ideas similar to Chad Waterbury’s. Or, we could talk about the MMA guy in this thread who displays a better build than your hardcore bodybuilding self. Explain that.
After all of the time you spent ranting about Poliquin’s insane ego on here and Facebook, I think its funny that you yourself are flying into Koresh-like fits of rage over someone disagreeing with you.[/quote]
One thing before I head off to the gym. I’m far from doughy and I’m not beady-eyed. You’ve seen my pics on FB, obviously (I see you like to play dirty).
I’ll be back later.
[quote]Patbone wrote:
Honestly this thread is turning into a a mess . If your training is geared towards a specific goal and you are reaching that said specific goal then that all that really matters you won the game.
Hope these circular arguments can stop IMO[/quote]
For the most part…just so you can plan your reading experiences to be devoid of palms to the forehead in excess of normal…the moment you see posters like dankid or trextacy post in a thread, it is pretty much not worth your time to continue reading.
Have a great day anyway though.
Lifters around 190-200 lb. under 15 % of body-fat are usually capable of
500 lb. deadlift
400 lb. back squat
300 lb. bench press
200 lb. military press
20 bw chins
some food for thought ;))
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and read this again from CT:
Three Things That Don’t Matter That Much… Three Things That Do
By Christian Thibaudeau
It was either reading this or writing a mid term paper about Canadian politics and linguistics issues. I took a gamble that this thread would actually turn into something interesting… Hence now you see why I haven’t bothered posting much in 3 years …
[quote]Most of you won’t see much at all in the way of gains because you won’t pick a fucking goal and run with it. You are trying to be “super athlete who does MMA, boxes, runs marathons, does power lifting all while squatting on a fucking bosu ball”.
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This made me laugh because its true.
If this thread were a bus passenger, it would say “Get deh ambalamps”