[quote]will to power wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
I offered her a hand… after about 53 seconds of watching her bent over, struggling in vain.
Did she respond to the offer by tasing you?[/quote]
Did you say “don’t taze me, bro?”
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
4est wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
that was fucked up, and half of those lifts where partials.
fucking wierd
He is focusing on “time under tension” and not ROM.
a concept totally alien to me. 
It’s like sticking your dick in and not moving it.[/quote]
?
Only it works so you still get the girl off.
I honestly don’t get how most of you can see that the largest guys do often avoid the full range of motion…but it hasn’t sunk in yet that this is effective in some cases and might just be WHY they are that big. Instead, you see it as being wrong. That makes sense.
I was thinking the same thing.
Now a good question is, did they use a more limited ROM while building themselves up or switch to one as a necessary adaptation to their size?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I honestly don’t get how most of you can see that the largest guys do often avoid the full range of motion…but it hasn’t sunk in yet that this is effective in some cases and might just be WHY they are that big. Instead, you see it as being wrong. That makes sense.[/quote]
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Haha I see when he was doing squats he calmed down a whole lot. [/quote]
he sure did…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
4est wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
that was fucked up, and half of those lifts where partials.
fucking wierd
He is focusing on “time under tension” and not ROM.
a concept totally alien to me.
It’s like sticking your dick in and not moving it.
?
Only it works so you still get the girl off.
I honestly don’t get how most of you can see that the largest guys do often avoid the full range of motion…but it hasn’t sunk in yet that this is effective in some cases and might just be WHY they are that big. Instead, you see it as being wrong. That makes sense.[/quote]
I agree. Partials are a useful technique, especially in compound movements where in different portions of the movement the stress shifts to different muscles (ex. bottom part of bench=mostly chest, top part=mostly triceps).
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
I was thinking the same thing.
Now a good question is, did they use a more limited ROM while building themselves up or switch to one as a necessary adaptation to their size?
Professor X wrote:
I honestly don’t get how most of you can see that the largest guys do often avoid the full range of motion…but it hasn’t sunk in yet that this is effective in some cases and might just be WHY they are that big. Instead, you see it as being wrong. That makes sense.
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I did more full range of motion when I was a beginner. I’m not a beginner anymore and haven’t been for a long time. I know the point in a movement where my muscles are getting the most stress. I also know the exercises that working in that smaller range is actually a benefit…like some chest exercises or even side laterals.
Either way, if some guy is that much bigger than you, it helps to not assume that he did that by training “wrong”. No one gets that fucking big without having an injury that sidelines any further progress by training “wrong”.
I see more people who claim they are training right who now need surgery as a result.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
I was thinking the same thing.
Now a good question is, did they use a more limited ROM while building themselves up or switch to one as a necessary adaptation to their size?
Professor X wrote:
I honestly don’t get how most of you can see that the largest guys do often avoid the full range of motion…but it hasn’t sunk in yet that this is effective in some cases and might just be WHY they are that big. Instead, you see it as being wrong. That makes sense.
I did more full range of motion when I was a beginner. I’m not a beginner anymore and haven’t been for a long time. I know the point in a movement where my muscles are getting the most stress. I also know the exercises that working in that smaller range is actually a benefit…like some chest exercises or even side laterals.
Either way, if some guy is that much bigger than you, it helps to not assume that he did that by training “wrong”. No one gets that fucking big without having an injury that sidelines any further progress by training “wrong”.
I see more people who claim they are training right who now need surgery as a result.[/quote]
Don’t you know, it’s because of their great genetics that they can train like that without getting injured.
[And yes, I have read that actual argument on this site]
What an asshole. Yeah let’s throw weights around because we’re so roided out that we’ve lost all our hair by age 29 and look more and more like a Cave Troll from Lord of the Rings.
Terrible form, I don’t care how much bigger he is than I am. Terrible.
I think there form was fine…I assume they have a clue what they are doing. Throwing the weights would instantly fucking piss me off if I was working out anywhere around them or near them. Further more I would tell the dumbass to not throw the weights again and have him kicked out gym as well.
Nothing more fucking annoying than some dumbass hurting other people in the gym by being all emo and throwing shit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
I was thinking the same thing.
Now a good question is, did they use a more limited ROM while building themselves up or switch to one as a necessary adaptation to their size?
Professor X wrote:
I honestly don’t get how most of you can see that the largest guys do often avoid the full range of motion…but it hasn’t sunk in yet that this is effective in some cases and might just be WHY they are that big. Instead, you see it as being wrong. That makes sense.
I did more full range of motion when I was a beginner. I’m not a beginner anymore and haven’t been for a long time. I know the point in a movement where my muscles are getting the most stress. I also know the exercises that working in that smaller range is actually a benefit…like some chest exercises or even side laterals.
Either way, if some guy is that much bigger than you, it helps to not assume that he did that by training “wrong”. No one gets that fucking big without having an injury that sidelines any further progress by training “wrong”.
I see more people who claim they are training right who now need surgery as a result.[/quote]
The stronger you get and the bigger you get, your body just cant handle full ROM…the muscles have a greater chance of tearing. At least in my case. It’s been a long time since I could do a full, “textbook” style bench press. The last time I was warming up with only 135 and I injured my right pec where it meets the front delt.
Besides, when you get strong enough, “half reps” are just as hard as any full ROM rep.
[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
What an asshole. Yeah let’s throw weights around because we’re so roided out that we’ve lost all our hair by age 29 and look more and more like a Cave Troll from Lord of the Rings.
Terrible form, I don’t care how much bigger he is than I am. Terrible.[/quote]
You know what? That’s just ignorant. You’re the one who’s coming across as an asshole. He’s a professional bodybuilder! Dont you get that? Or are you too stupid to see the difference between him and a 170 pound weekend warrior? Do you really think it matters about form? Who the hell made it a golden rule when somone didnt have %100 pure form they were a bad bodybuilder. It’s the ones who worry about form that are always small. Dont worry, your “form” critique will be the crutch you need to make excuses why you are not as big as someone else. Good for you.
Well it seems to work for him…
As for chucking the plates on the floor, who gives a flying f*ck? Its a clip from a DVD, mostly watched for entertainment, I was able to watch the whole thing without feeling the need to write in a letter of complaint about the guys use of plates.
I was more interested in how all the big guys are really strong, that was of more interest than the removal of weight from the bar.
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
That was terrible.
Is it hardcore now to drop plates on the floor?
I saw an 85lbs. Asian chick at the gym today unable to handle a 45lbs. plate she was trying to take off the leg press, and she dropped it. She must be bad-ass.[/quote]
LMFAO!!!
“beefcake, BeefCake, BEEFCAKE!!!”
Eric Cartman
This might be an actual ‘day in the life’ when you’re Branch Warren, but I doubt it. It’s a video. It’s supposed to be entertaining.
[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
I think there form was fine…I assume they have a clue what they are doing. Throwing the weights would instantly fucking piss me off if I was working out anywhere around them or near them. Further more I would tell the dumbass to not throw the weights again and have him kicked out gym as well.
Nothing more fucking annoying than some dumbass hurting other people in the gym by being all emo and throwing shit.[/quote]
i seriously doubt you would say shit to this man.
i also seriously doubt you would ever be training withen a 10 mile radius of his gym.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
I was thinking the same thing.
Now a good question is, did they use a more limited ROM while building themselves up or switch to one as a necessary adaptation to their size?
Professor X wrote:
I honestly don’t get how most of you can see that the largest guys do often avoid the full range of motion…but it hasn’t sunk in yet that this is effective in some cases and might just be WHY they are that big. Instead, you see it as being wrong. That makes sense.
I did more full range of motion when I was a beginner. I’m not a beginner anymore and haven’t been for a long time. I know the point in a movement where my muscles are getting the most stress. I also know the exercises that working in that smaller range is actually a benefit…like some chest exercises or even side laterals.
Either way, if some guy is that much bigger than you, it helps to not assume that he did that by training “wrong”. No one gets that fucking big without having an injury that sidelines any further progress by training “wrong”.
I see more people who claim they are training right who now need surgery as a result.[/quote]
can you ellaborate? id like to know which movements are better in a shorter ROM. i think certain ones must always be better with the full ROM like squats, dips, and benching. dont take this as me kissin your ass or whatever but its interesting to hear what you have to say as youre someone whos actually been through it. doesnt nesecerialy mean everything you say is true, but its good to have that other view to compare things with until i or anyone else gets there themselves.
[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
This might be an actual ‘day in the life’ when you’re Branch Warren, but I doubt it. It’s a video. It’s supposed to be entertaining.[/quote]
QFT, I doubt they toss the bars 3 feet away on a “normal” training day.
I’m not sure where they are training, but if it’s the same one from the Coleman video I saw in Texas, they may not condone it, but it’s a hard core gym where the (then) Mr. O was training so I doubt they would frown upon it.
I know in Ronnie’s video they would pray before the workout (with the owner) and then go nuts and toss dumbbells around. So it is definitely not your usual fitness place…plus I think Ron mentions that he even bought the place its 150 lbs dumbbells, so who’s going to say anything if he drops them?
Another thing to keep in mind, even if the video was exactly what the builder being filmed is doing, who knows what he was doing when he started, or throughout the rest of the year? What if he uses partials only in certain phases of training? Or what if his sheer mass makes “full range” not possible (like Ronnie on the leg press)?
All I know is when a guy is even half-repping weight I can’t even MOVE then I’m either going to:
A) ask him a bunch of questions
or
B) not say shit
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
can you ellaborate? id like to know which movements are better in a shorter ROM. i think certain ones must always be better with the full ROM like squats, dips, and benching. dont take this as me kissin your ass or whatever but its interesting to hear what you have to say as youre someone whos actually been through it. doesnt nesecerialy mean everything you say is true, but its good to have that other view to compare things with until i or anyone else gets there themselves.
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I know which movements FOR ME allow me to work in a smaller ROM because I can feel it. This isn’t some blanket recommendation for beginners to start training in a limited ROM. This is an explanation that people with YEARS of training experience know for themselves which movements work a muscle through its most effective ROM and the bigger you get, the better you feel where that limited range is. I doubt most people under 200lbs should even be concerned with this. I’ve seen Victor Martinez train with lateral raises by doing partials. I know that this won’t work for me because I get better stimulation through the full ROM on side laterals. Therefore, it is right for him but not right for me. It seems some people have a hard time grasping this.
I know that when doing dumbbell presses or even some machine work that my chest works the hardest between the part of the movement where I stop just above my sternum and the point right before lock out. There may be some exercises where I still go through the full ROM, but I usually train with the most weight through a limited ROM on some movements.
Some of you seem so wrapped up in specifics that the concept of feeling when it time to do something different seems totally foreign to you. If you lift weights for 10+ years and gain in excess of 80lbs, don’t you think you would begin to figure out exactly what works best for your own body?
I get the feeling some of you do things as if by textbook simply because you think it must be done that way for everyone and anyone who deviates is doing it wrong.
The bottom line is, if it builds muscle mass greater than most and doesn’t cause an injury, it IS training correctly, even if goes against what is generally taken as the textbook way to do the movement.
The guy with 20" arms and a 53" chest is not training wrong if he doesn’t lock out on the bench press. He isn’t a beginner and chances are, he knows his body better than any 150lbs beginner could ever hope to. They shouldn’t even be judged by the same scale.
Eh. The only part of that video that annoys me is the throwing of the barbell. Only because you have to intentionally chuck it, and knock over equipment. I don’t care about dropping plates when unloading, or dropping barbells or dumbbells when they’re that heavy. I really don’t care about the partial range of motion either. You do the kind of training that gets you the best results in mass if you’re a bodybuilder. Whoopdeedo.