[quote]cdubs wrote:
I just watched the 35 rep squat video, kinda strange how it went from just a day in the gym with a bunch of elite lifters to a dramatic voice over telling us about how sad DT’s life is or was.
There are hundreds of people in America and around the globe who have put up better numbers without harming themselves as much, I think its time we found a new brain to pick. [/quote]
Statements without fact or support will get you nowhere.
What video & which lifters are you referencing?
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I’m referencing the video which has taken up a fair sized portion of the TMuscle home page for about 3 months now.
Now perhaps somebody would like to give a logical and or reasoned reponse to my OP? Belligerent did, and I appreciate that; now maybe everybody else can explain why they would choose to follow blindly the advice of a man who has suffered ( quoted from the movie)
" 30 pec strains, 2 torn pecs, numerous over-use injuries, several shoulder surgeries, torn teres major, torn groin, ( something I couldn’t catch), a tendon tear in his knee, and both calves ripped completely in half, and this is just a partial list".
[quote]cdubs wrote:
I just watched the 35 rep squat video, kinda strange how it went from just a day in the gym with a bunch of elite lifters to a dramatic voice over telling us about how sad DT’s life is or was.
There are hundreds of people in America and around the globe who have put up better numbers without harming themselves as much, I think its time we found a new brain to pick. [/quote]
Statements without fact or support will get you nowhere.
What video & which lifters are you referencing?
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I’m referencing the video which has taken up a fair sized portion of the TMuscle home page for about 3 months now.
Now perhaps somebody would like to give a logical and or reasoned reponse to my OP? Belligerent did, and I appreciate that; now maybe everybody else can explain why they would choose to follow blindly the advice of a man who has suffered ( quoted from the movie)
" 30 pec strains, 2 torn pecs, numerous over-use injuries, several shoulder surgeries, torn teres major, torn groin, ( something I couldn’t catch), a tendon tear in his knee, and both calves ripped completely in half, and this is just a partial list". [/quote]
Edit: I noticed a lot of dumbasses who think I’m questioning DT’s strength or accomplishments. I’m not. All I’m saying is that it doesn’t make sense to me that one of ( if not the single most) revered figures in strength and conditioning is constantly plagued by serious injuries.
The obvious conclusions one can draw from that is that he either a. doesn’t follow his own advice and just goes apeshit everytime he’s working out until he hurts himself or b. his advice will lead to serious injuries.
[quote]cdubs wrote:
I’m referencing the video which has taken up a fair sized portion of the tmuscle home page for about 3 months now.
Now perhaps somebody would like to give a logical and or reasoned reponse to my OP? Belligerent did, and I appreciate that; now maybe everybody else can explain why they would choose to follow blindly the advice of a man who has suffered ( quoted from the movie)
" 30 pec strains, 2 torn pecs, numerous over-use injuries, several shoulder surgeries, torn teres major, torn groin, ( something I couldn’t catch), a tendon tear in his knee, and both calves ripped completely in half, and this is just a partial list". [/quote]
I don’t think anyone here “blindly” follows the advice of any trainer. I think most here take what works for them from several different trainers. I like what Tate says because of the no BS way he presents his information and because what he says works.
If you are looking for a trainer to “blindly follow” then spin the wheel and pick one.
^you do know he has been retired from powerlifting for Years YEARS. He goes over how when he was younger he would train all out an injuries, not giving himself time to heal. And how he would have changed this or that. Man you have not really done your research before you asked your question.
Now again go back and read up a little bit you will find your answer without looking to hard.
If one suffered that many injuries and sees the problems they cause later in life and learns from them, said person is gonna have a lot of pretty damn good advice about what not to do and what to do to prevent getting injured or if you do get injured what to do to make it better so it can heal faster or to stop injuring it.
One who hasn’t been injured through his lifting career that cannot give advice that is just as practical for others while still getting strong because what will they be able to tell you about how not to get injured or what to do when you do get injured.
I herniated my lower back twice and have rehabbed it back to health so that it is now even healthier than when I started and haven’t injured it since, through my experience I can give advice on how to avoid certain kinds of back pain if they haven’t been injured or if they have had a specific lower back injury what to do to let it heal while still getting stronger. What kind of advice can the guy who never got an injury because they solid joints or because they unknowingly did the exercise with good form give to the guy who is lifting with dangerous form and who most likely joints are not as solid as the injured guy compared to a guy who has been through and injury, rehabbed it and understand why it happened in the first place. When one gets an injury and goes through the process of rehabbing and understanding why it happened in the first place one learns a lot, I only have gotten 2 significant injuries and a few strains to learn from, someone who has gone through what Dave has and go through the rehabbing process and understanding why it happened in the first place has learned a lot more about how not to fuck yourself up.
why listen to dave tate? well, for starters, he’s a hell of a lot bigger than you. hell, he’s probably taken shits that weighed more than you.
He’s been hurt a lot. I’m not gonna repeat everything that has already been said about how he used to be a dumbass. Powerlifting is about pushing your body so far beyond the limits of what is considered “normal” that you achieve the impossible. Ask anyone who can squat 1000lbs, or deadlift 8, or 900lbs. I guarantee that somewhere along the road to that milestone they got injured.
When you make inhuman demands on your very human body, it is bound to fail somewhere along the way.
[quote]cdubs wrote:
I just watched the 35 rep squat video, kinda strange how it went from just a day in the gym with a bunch of elite lifters to a dramatic voice over telling us about how sad DT’s life is or was.
Anyways, while DT was squatting they talked about Dave’s laundry list of injuries, I think they said he has had 30 pec pulls and about 10 more serious injuries in addition to having to have surgery on both shoulders multiple times ( and the narrator said that what was mentioned in the video was only a partial listing of his injuries).
My question is this: why is Dave Tate such a widely known and respected strength lifting coach if he can’t take care of himself? If I were to follow everything he says word for word, wouldn’t that lead me down the same path of destruction he has led himself down? Keeping in mind that average Joe doesn’t have the connections or the resources to get the very best rehab available like Dave does, wouldn’t following him set you on a path that would lead to injuries that would mean the end of your weightlifting?
There are hundreds of people in America and around the globe who have put up better numbers without harming themselves as much, I think its time we found a new brain to pick. [/quote]
Fact is Dave Tate is a world class mentor in the sport of power lifting. Fact. We’re talking about a legend who’s spent decades in the weight room, fine tuning his workout to hit max lifts. He’s willing to push his body to new limits to achieve new success.
Don’t bother comparing yourself to DT if you don’t even have the guts to try.
Anyone who’s trained without some setback (injury, family, surgery) in their life has not trained hard or intense enough.
The argument that “Coach X never got anywhere in Sport Y so that means we shouldn’t listen to his advice about Sport Y” is flawed.
Phil Jackson was never an All-Star. Bill Belichick never even played in The League. Joe Defranco and Zach Even-Esh never played college sports. I could go on and on.
Just because none of these guys were “the shit” in their sport doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
The argument that “Coach X never got anywhere in Sport Y so that means we shouldn’t listen to his advice about Sport Y” is flawed.
Phil Jackson was never an All-Star. Bill Belichick never even played in The League. Joe Defranco and Zach Even-Esh never played college sports. I could go on and on.
Just because none of these guys were “the shit” in their sport doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about.[/quote]
In order for people to respect their knowledge they had to produce a body of work. When Phil Jackson came to Chicago, he wasn’t the Zen Master.
