Why Is It so Hard to Let Go of "The Big 3" for Non-Competitive Lifters?

It was an entertaining shit show lol.

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Whenever I get back to squatting only once a week I feel depressed lol. Squatting for 3+ times a week almost makes me feel invincible… till my lower back is constantly sore and I need to get back to the once a week shit😩

Stronger makes everything easier. You don’t need to hurt yourself to get stronger.

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Actually not in this case… I didnt start working full time for my father until after I was pulling well over 500.

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Yeah now that you mentioned it …someone else mentioning it several month ago I looked over it than.I get the general theme of it but it doesn’t mean I agree with it all.

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Ya, I hear you. I think the standards he used are too low. A BW deadlift for, whatever it was a dozen or so, doesn’t seem very challenging.

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It might be if you weigh 400 lbs!

Any BW ratio is tough to apply across the board. Being a taller fella with long limbs, I’ve never liked those because I rarely meet the ā€œstandardsā€ā€¦ Except in Lee Boyce’s article. I finally measure up!

I guess that is impressive, I don’t really follow oly lifting enough to know. I guess however you can get 315lbs overhead is impressive though, but it still doesn’t negate the fact that maximal strength is the foundation upon which all other special strengths are built. Also, I am not claiming he is a keyboard warrior. However, his reality is I’m sure much different than mine and what many other blue collar workers do everyday for a living. Maybe, I am taking your quote out of context and will try to get time to read the original article.

I dunno; after hanging around my sport for a while, I never felt like the tall guys had issues getting very strong.

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I think this

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may be part of the problem. You will be much happier the second you liberate yourself from trying to live up to someone else’s standards. Secondly, the instance I feel I have to ā€œworryā€ about any aspect of my training will probably also be the instance I will question why I am even doing it at all. I also don’t understand why so many people think that multiple attributes can’t be trained/achieved concurrently. Most of us will never reach the level to even have to consider it, even if it were true.

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Heh I’ve seen strongman athletes trying to clean a bar with over 100kg on it. It’s not pretty, God help the powerlifters haha

I love how it says Little guy.jpg :joy:

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Eh, I’m sure there are ways to make it run more smoothly. The first thoughts that came to my head were… Remove all weight classes. Rising bar format. That’ll shortened the transition times a bunch. There will be 2 kinds of ā€œwinnersā€. Top 3 for biggest super total. Top 3 for highest wilks/sinclair hybrid things.

Do you mean continental cleans with an axle or?

No, real cleans. Most ended up doing continentals once the weight got to heavy to flick with brute strength.

It just takes a beat of time to learn the technique haha. I’ve cleaned 100kgs and I’m far from strong.

ā€œAnd the thing about fat is it doesn’t make you strong. It makes you sad.ā€

Literally lol’ed when I read this. I think this guy is capable of writing a lot of biting satire but he’s really holding back.

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Strength is important. Conditioning is also important. Whether you focus on one or the other or both is upto you as an individual but talking about either in isolation when it comes to preparing yourself for ā€œreal lifeā€ disaster scenarios seems pretty silly to me. Obviously, it’s different if you’re talking about benefiting you in your employment.

I guess that a lot of gyms don’t have any non-conventional equipment - trap bars, swiss bars for neutral grip benching, thick bars/axles and so on. This alone prevents people from trying them and make up their own mind, even the ones who would gladly do it.
At least, this seems to be the case here, where most gyms are probably 10 years behind US gyms, so take it for what it is.
Keeping in mind that the huge majority of gym goers don’t care to compete and usually don’t have world-shattering goals in mind even when they are dedicated lifters, I think that picking 3 lifts as Big 3 makes sense because that’s a number of lifts that allows you to specialize in stuff that gives you a great all around strength in a balanced way, while still training other variations and exercises that compliment your main lifts, general health and whatever you want to achieve via physical activity.
What Big 3 you choose, it’s up to you, your goals and some minimal grain of salt you have to apply - i.e. picking cable crosses, leg press and curls might not be optimal. Or some crossfit dumbassery like burpees and sumo deadlift high pulls.

Also, it’s up to what you like to do. Yes, if you’re a bit serious about lifting (even if you don’t want to compete or measure up to anyone except yourself), at some point you’ll have to do things that you don’t enjoy much, but are necessary to keep progressing. This doesn’t mean you have to do things you don’t enjoy from the very beginning.
The hope is that by doing exercises you like at the start, when it comes the moment to do things you don’t like you’ll be mature enough (in terms of lifting) that you’ll actually enjoy them to some degree because you know that they will pay off.

As a side note, I think the usual Big 3 (squat, deads, bench) are still important for a beginner. It’s much more likely that a lifter will try and eventually stick to non conventional variations of big lfits (trap bar deads, axle bench/press and so on) if he’s first exposed to the basic Big 3. They are easier to learn, to coach and don’t require any specific equipment that might be difficult to come by.
This point seems to get lost because of two scenarios happening: (1) the beginner learns the usual Big 3 and gets stuck in the recurring theme that your strength is only measured by those 3 lifts, anything else doesn’t count; (2) the beginner doesn’t even learn those three basic exercsises, so the notion itself of doing some variation with different equipment isn’t fathomed.
Most of the (admittedly, few) trainers I spoke with sang the same song.
ā€œDeadlifts? I’ve done them a few times, I’m not a fan, hurt my back. Pressing overhead? No I don’t do that, it’s dangerous. Benching three times per week? That’s optimal.ā€
Once, I was doing farmer walks and one of the trainers asked me what they were for. If you’re a certified trainer and really have to ask why carrying around heavy stuff is useful, I can only imagine what goes through the head of the average clueless beginner. It must look like some kind of pagan sorcery to him.

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