[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Ramzy18 wrote:
lmao i cant believe the negative replies this guy is getting… are you guys fucking serious? "I’d feel pretty bad about myself if I made long, pointless posts on a skateboarding forum about how I don’t want to learn to do a kickflip. " so everything to you is “TO THE LIMIT”? What if he enjoys lifting weights… you know life is meant to be fun you retards… sure competition can be fun but that can be YOUR way of fun and NOT his. You people deserve no respect because you don’t give any and you don’t appreciate other people’s viewpoints. Leave your shit to your own self and don’t get into people other’s business. Go fuck yourselves (literally).
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If you don’t want to take bodybuilding to an extreme don’t fucking post about. Nobody needs to read this weaksauce shit.
There is nothing wrong with lifting to lift and just having fun with it, with little to no goals, but to post about that shit on a bodybuilding forum is pointless.[/quote]
[quote]MODOK wrote:
LOL @ “potential injuries” benching 405. Care to enlighten us on these injuries? Because I benched 405 when I was 19, and have never gotten hurt bench pressing on average twice a week for the past 17 years. 405 ain’t all that much weight.[/quote]
What is this, the “hey look at me, I don’t stand out but want all of the attention of those who do anyway so I can feel good about myself” thread?
This is like logging onto a website about guitar playing and making a post about why you don’t want to play the guitar that well cause you have other priorities. The ONLY reason to do something like that is to get some type of respect for something you haven’t earned.
This is the BODYBUILDING FORUM. This forum should NOT be for people who just want to tone or people who aren’t interested in making much progress yet for some reason keep logging in to discuss all of the progress they aren’t making. That is called FITNESS TRAINING. Yes, those into FITNESS TRAINING (which usually involves making very little progress yet acting like that makes you superior to others for arbitrary reasons like “function”) need their own forum so they can stay the fuck out of this one.
The OP makes a couple of valid points. Risk assessment is not a bad thing, and honestly not everybody wants to be gigantic even if they could. I’d rather be Arnold big than Ronnie Coleman big, but that shit don’t happen over night. Alot of you guys are in your prime for packing on muscle. If I had it all to do over again I would have busted my ass harder than I did and ate better my first few years of lifting, because when you hit around 30 it gets tougher.
Now I’m pushing 40 and the and injuries dictate my workouts more than my goals. A year and a half ago I was within 15 lbs of breaking a 500lb bench press raw at a body weight around 225. I was so close I could taste it, but after doing 485 my joints hurt so much I had to drop back and eventually cut out flat bench all together.
Had I known the things I know now when I was in my teens and early twenties I know I could have broken 500 ten years earlier, and I honestly don’t think my joints would be in the shape they are now, because I’ve been busting my ass twice as hard the last ten years trying to make up for lost time.
I guess my point is be smart about it when you are younger. Take advantage of the muscle you can put on at that age. Avoid injuries, by being smart about the lifts you choose and the form you use, but dont use the fear of injuries as an excuse to half ass it.
Another thing, 405 doesn’t even seem like an outrageous goal to me. There are alot of <200lbs guys that can do that. To me 405 seems like the enrty point to a strong bench press, but then again some of the guys I train around do 500 for reps.
Another thing, 405 doesn’t even seem like an outrageous goal to me. There are alot of <200lbs guys that can do that. To me 405 seems like the enrty point to a strong bench press, but then again some of the guys I train around do 500 for reps.[/quote]
ALOT? how many gyms have you been to? What is alot?
Another thing, 405 doesn’t even seem like an outrageous goal to me. There are alot of <200lbs guys that can do that. To me 405 seems like the enrty point to a strong bench press, but then again some of the guys I train around do 500 for reps.
ALOT? how many gyms have you been to? What is alot?
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At the gym I’m at now there are probably 4 or 5 guys at that level. The strongest one I’ve seen do it for 6 reps. I’ve trained at dozens of gyms over the years. I usually try to train at the gym that the biggest guys in the area train at. If I’m one of the strongest guys at the gym I lose motivation.
Edit: I just realized you were talking about the 405 guys. I thought you meant the 500 for reps guys. I have no idea how many I’ve seen do 405 under 200lbs but there have been quite a few. Go to any bench press competition there is always several doing it under 200lbs.
Another thing, 405 doesn’t even seem like an outrageous goal to me. There are alot of <200lbs guys that can do that. To me 405 seems like the enrty point to a strong bench press, but then again some of the guys I train around do 500 for reps.
ALOT? how many gyms have you been to? What is alot?
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I knew “a lot” who could do it in Houston in the late 90’s. Now, I rarely see anyone in the gym who can do this who appears to be under the age of 30. I also agree that 405lbs is basically the starting point for those who plan on having an impressive bench press and overall well above average development in terms of size.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
Another thing, 405 doesn’t even seem like an outrageous goal to me. There are alot of <200lbs guys that can do that. To me 405 seems like the enrty point to a strong bench press, but then again some of the guys I train around do 500 for reps.
ALOT? how many gyms have you been to? What is alot?
I knew “a lot” who could do it in Houston in the late 90’s. Now, I rarely see anyone in the gym who can do this who appears to be under the age of 30. I also agree that 405lbs is basically the starting point for those who plan on having an impressive bench press and overall well above average development in terms of size.[/quote]
I don’t think I’ve seen many under 30 do it. Most of the guys I’ve seen are probably mid 30s
Edit: Same as my above edit, I thought you guys were talking about the 500+ guys. But yeah I agree. Most of the young guys I see are either doing much except for a handful of young guys that I think are on a lifting team at school
[quote]Therizza wrote:
This thread is terribad. Who doesn’t want to look like Mariusz Pudzianowski? [/quote]
It’s not that people wouldn’t like to look like him, it’s that they aren’t willing to make the sacrifices to get that. I can understand that line of thinking.
I have a pretty lofty long term goal, and when I look at all the sacrifices I would have to make to get there and ask “Am I willing, do I really want to?”, I don’t even have to think twice before the answer is yes. However, it won’t be easy, and I can understand if someone isn’t willing to put the same amount of dedication into it.
I’m not sure how the website started (notice only a member since 2005). I do know what the website is now. It’s an information bank, and in some areas, a floor for rather intellectual debates on the human body. We aren’t all here to be massive, just bigger (muscle obviously). That’s the goal everyone has. Even the biggest guys just want to be bigger (relatively).
If I bench 250 at a bodyweight of 160lbs, where 6 months ago my 1RM was 205lbs (at bodyweight of 150lbs), I consider that a huge personal success. 250lbs is not much weight for bench press, and no its not an impressive number, but the success is still there for me.
So no, I don’t want to bench 405 either (I do however want to get to 315), and I don’t want to be 250lbs. I just want to be bigger than I am now, and stronger. It’s the road we need to be concerned with, not the destination or beginning. That’s what we have in common. Personal development goals.
I come to this website for the articles, the information. That’s the value of T-Nation.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Therizza wrote:
This thread is terribad. Who doesn’t want to look like Mariusz Pudzianowski?
It’s not that people wouldn’t like to look like him, it’s that they aren’t willing to make the sacrifices to get that. I can understand that line of thinking.
I have a pretty lofty long term goal, and when I look at all the sacrifices I would have to make to get there and ask “Am I willing, do I really want to?”, I don’t even have to think twice before the answer is yes. However, it won’t be easy, and I can understand if someone isn’t willing to put the same amount of dedication into it. [/quote]
However, someone like that does not belong in this forum. This topic is irrelevant…because to belong in a forum where the goal is something much more extreme than what most people can even achieve, that requires sacrifice. If someone is unwilling to make that move, then why the fuck are they here? To bring the rest of us down to their level?
[quote]masse wrote:
That’s what we have in common. Personal development goals.
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No, we don’t have that in common if what divides us is that some are willing to work very hard…and some aren’t willing to make that sacrifice. Twisting words around doesn’t erase that one group will go all out and work harder than the other.
I understand and respect the OPs viewpoint, but the bodybuilding forum was the wrong place to post it. The people here arent happy until they exceed Coleman in size
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
Another thing, 405 doesn’t even seem like an outrageous goal to me. There are alot of <200lbs guys that can do that. To me 405 seems like the enrty point to a strong bench press, but then again some of the guys I train around do 500 for reps.
ALOT? how many gyms have you been to? What is alot?
I knew “a lot” who could do it in Houston in the late 90’s. Now, I rarely see anyone in the gym who can do this who appears to be under the age of 30. I also agree that 405lbs is basically the starting point for those who plan on having an impressive bench press and overall well above average development in terms of size.[/quote]
I agree but most of the people I’ve seen doing this in the gym are not under 200 lbs, and to Jstreet yes I agree at bench comps there are alot, I thought you were talking about raw at a gym.
Seeing someone get stronger and bigger than you will sort your head out in record time.
Think TC calls it Alpha and Beta Males.
You really wanna be the Beta ?
But really get a new training partner, our current mindset is geared towards nothing and you will get exactly that nothing if you continue with that mindset
