Why Do We Train 1x5 on Deadlift?

I am so lost.

What are we talking about here?

Do I need to conjugate with lions to understand?

Seriously, what is inol?

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Intensity x Number Of Lifts, I guess.

How it’s used? Dunno.

I remember Arnold talking about it in the 70s. :pokerface:

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I always get a kick out of threads where we discuss ways to complicate bending over and picking something up. It is really amusing when a bunch of guys with monster deadlifts have their primitive ideas about deadlifting exposed by higher-minded lifters.

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Deadlifting is simple. Pick up the bar. If it’s too easy, add more weight. It it’s too heavy, use less weight. A simple workout that will give you gains is 90% 1RM one pull on the minute for as many as you can. Don’t use an equation to calculate your 1RM, find your 1RM for real and calculate your workouts from there.

Honestly, getting away from this “beginner/intermediate/advanced” program paradigm is probably for the best. I find it holds back more trainees than it helps.

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I’m super enamoured with (of) EMOMs.

Successful coaches of every level recommend them for every level. Lifters of every level use them. You get really sweaty. It’s awesome.

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It’s become one of my favorite ways to train strongman events. Good combo of conditioning and skill work.

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I think the programs are fine if run correctly and people don’t get invested in the word. I basically consider beginner someone who is adding weight to the bar (linear progression) which is probably more of a CN adaptation to lifting. I don’t know what advanced would be, someone who adds weight per year? I am resolved to be doing a 5/3/1 the rest of my lifting life and being ‘intermediate’.

it can work. Most of the best lifters in the world follow very basic programming templates. Simple is often best. Ed Coan pretty much did the same thing year after year for his entire lifting career, and he’s widely regarded as the best powerlifter ever.

Also you should be able to exceed a 450 deadlift with shitty programming as long as you work hard. That’s such a low bar to set.

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My experience has been that people get too caught up in adding weight to the bar as a beginner and fail to consider the other training variables necessary for progression (work capacity, hypertrophy, conditioning, etc). It’s overspecialization during a period where the focus should be on GENERAL physical qualities. It’s backwards to me. Basically, fixating on the rate of weight added is some sort of weird psuedo-powerlifting holdover that fails to consider the other aspects inherent in being an athlete.

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Ed Coan talks a lot about training. I enjoyed this last week.

Coan is famously a “Basic,” “Linear” “PL” guy, but it really struck me how he stressed bringing everything along slowly. Spending 3 months to bring the deadlift up 5 pounds, but making sure to bring the rows and defecit deads and everything else up 5 pounds too.

It wasn’t linear progress to some unknown, big lifts sometime in the vague future. It was weeks of hitting weights he knew he could hit, not killing himself. Over and over. Dude had a formula and a 5 year chart!

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I guess I would consider “work capacity, hypertrophy, conditioning, etc” something for the 2nd level. First level is working on form on a few basic compound lifts as well as getting the CNS used to carrying load.

But I see where you are coming from. Its hardly black & white. Access to quality coaching, speed of learning, and lots of variables can come into play.

A novice beginner with no experience I doubt is going to grasp all that much. A coach could take some of the responsibility with knowledge and experience. But going solo I think its probably better to walk before you can run.

Yeah; I don’t know when or why this started happening. For the longest time, those were the FIRST things you developed, and once you had a mastery of that, THEN you started worrying about weight on the bar.

I think the same thing, but I believe focusing on maximal strength is ABSOLUTELY the “run” part of training. Most trainees can’t even metaphorically walk yet before they start trying to slap plates onto the bar.

It’s honestly not as complicated as you’d think. We typically refer to the building of work capacity, hypertrophy and conditioning as “play” outside of lifting. Kids play sports, climb on playground equipment, run up and down the street, climb trees, etc etc and build up a LOT of these qualities. However, with an increasingly sedentary child population that is rapidly growing into young adults with ZERO athletic or even PLAY experience, we’re witnessing folks who don’t even have basic human movement skills necessary to squat the bar, let alone add 5lbs to it each workout.

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Think of all those theoretical farm boys who lift big weights the first time they tried.

Years of general work and hay bales. An idiot proof way to build work capacity, conditioning and hypertrophy. A big head start in the weight room. According to legend.

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Hell, I was a fat kid growing up, and looking back on it I realize my sneaky parents somehow had me in a sport of some variety year round from age 7 onward. I played soccer, t-ball, swam, did Tae Kwon Do, played football, and wrestled. I was awful at ALL of these sports, but simply constantly being in play gave me a HUGE advantage coming into training.

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I wasn’t much of an athlete growing up, but I was very active. I rode my bike everywhere, played a lot of basketball, ran around, climbed trees, swam and mostly kept moving. In other words, I played a lot, and I played pretty hard too.

I stopped playing when I took an office job and got lazy. Even after 14 years of unrepentant sloth I was able to pick up a barbell and figure out how to move with it in fairly short order. Now I’m learning how to choke the shit out of my friends, where body awareness and your ability to move with a purpose is very important.

So yes, I agree completely. Many people have no skill whatsoever with moving their body except going from one seat to the next. I’ve always taken my motor skills for granted, but now that I’ve seen people struggle with things that come fairly easy to me, I realize how important that simple foundation developed in childhood is.

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How do we do enough calisthenics and mobility to build/maintain body awareness and ability to move, without turning it into gymnastics or cross fit?

Chuck your phone in the river and go on some adventures.

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Mark Twain wrote a guide on this!

…it has aged poorly.