Is being ‘jacked’ an insult by the way? Keep in mind I know fuck all nothing about training, gyms, and the associated colloquialisms.
One fact everyone needs to remember: “The average adult male produces 6 mg. of testosterone per day. That is 42 mg. per week. The normal production range is from 5 to 10 mg. per day. Even at the highest production level, we’re only talking about 70 mg. a week.”
The above comes from a good article on T-Nation and explains why most do better on a lower dose. But, as the article explains, other factors go into your dosage, such as SHBG.
But there are people, like me, who need a higher dose to actually realize the benefits of TRT and symptom relief. And when I say benefits, I include good muscle recovery after the gym, ability to lift heavier, because I believe keeping decent lean muscle helps keep the fat off and it is a bit of an ego boost to look in the mirror at 52 and see someone with a body like mine. I’m not huge or jacked, but I look better, physique-wise, than the vast majority of the American male population. Plus, I benefit from better libido and better overall well being.
I’ve tried the low dose approach but just didn’t feel better, symptoms-wise. I’m on a fairly moderate dose of 120mg/week test cyp (34mg every 2 days). This is where I, personally, feel best.
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Saying someone is “jacked” isn’t an insult, per se. But it can come off, in certain situations, as being prickish. I think the rub is so many people, like the general public, believe that all you need to do is inject some T (or whatever PED) and you magically grow muscles. But that’s not how it works. You have to put in the time moving heavy iron. You earn the muscle. And guys that have accomplished that certainly have a right to be proud of that and they should.
I’m not a body builder. But I enjoy lifting weights. I like going to the gym and hanging with these guys. They understand I’m not there to get big. I’m 52, so my days of ever trying that are long gone. But I’ve passed advice to some of the younger guys that I know they benefited from. Teaching them 21s and the importance of the negative when lowering the weight, to name a few.
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Yeah see…this is why those other things you said, which are usually innocuous, come across as venomous and passive aggressive. You are trying to portray us as a certain stereotype but I assure you the only thing we have in common are low T. You come here out of desperations, apparently, asking for advice and then ridicule the people who are providing said advice. What’s next a “pick things up and put them down” reference?
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I think you might be reading too much into it. ‘Calm down dad’, is a tongue in cheek attempt by me to allude to the fact I am inadvertently pissing you off when I type shit about bodybuilding, which I clearly and admittedly know dick about.
I may be a retard when it comes to understanding bodybuilders, but I’ve certainly not said anything venomous. Ain’t nothing wrong with bein jacked, and tanned, and juicy as fuck.
So jacked is a euphemism for injecting steroids? I thought it just meant being built.
Fair. Good luck in your search dude.
There was a study a while back who’s goal was to define people as different personality types. The category that is now type A was originally called something different, but it was too offensive (I can’t remember what it was, but it was basically calling them a bunch of pricks), so they made up type A and type B, as not to offend anyone.
GUYS: enough.
Jesus. Stay on topic. Enough squabbling. You’re like a bunch of teenage girls.
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No, the problem is guys like you think you’re just trying to be normal while guys like me—who were once exactly where you are—know that there’s more that comes after this. You get to normal. Now what? Well, you feel a lot better. You start working out (because it’s good for you and you’ve finally got the energy to do it). You fall in love with it. Then before you know it your old normal is no longer what you want, because you know that there’s even more out there for you. Suddenly you realize that you’ve been able to only see life in dull pastels but now the radiant colors are visible to you. Now sit there and tell me that you wouldn’t look deeper into that beautiful, colorful world. Tell me you wouldn’t want so much more now that you know it’s out there. Do it. Lie to me.
A whole shitload of us didn’t start out as Type A. But a few years of being out of the abyss makes it possible to be clear about what we want and how we plan to work to achieve it. How do I know you’ll end up there too? I don’t. But the balance of probabilities tells me that eventually you’ll be more like me than like your pre-TRT self. I know because I used to be you, and then I got better. You can too.
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I’m going to ask you a simple question and the answer will tell me everything I need to know.
Have you consulted with a psychiatrist or a therapist at all during this whole endeavor?
Not sure whether this is sarcasm or not.
No, it’s not. There are plenty, but that is not what “Jacked” refers to.
The article is not that informative. There is a huge difference between esterified testosterone (Cypionate, Enanthate etc…) and naturally produced test. It’s not an apples to apples comparison of dosage - which is the problem with the article. Do you need 250mg or more a week? Not likely. Is it possible to feel better on 100mg than 150mg? Sure, depending on the individual. Is the solution always “Increase the dose!”? Nope. there is no one size fits all, it depends what else is screwed up with you. Could exercising do what some regular guys want instead of TRT? Yes, absolutely.
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This. I was beat to it but that article is very misleading. Not all wrong but @hardartery is correct here.
Why would you think it’s sarcasm? You’re complaining about libido issues while on 400mg of test. Or any amount of test. Now either you’re somehow immune to a bio identical hormone—which would probably have lead to libido issues for like the entirety of your natural life—or perhaps something else is off. And since libido is primarily a mental process it isn’t at all unreasonable to suspect that you have considered approaching it from that perspective. You’d think after “years” of not getting anything out of testosterone you’d turn your attention to another possible source of your issues. I fail to see why that perfectly reasonable course of action would appear to be something that warrants sarcasm.
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Its not mental, hormonal.
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I get your point.
But this isn’t mental.
I’m
Secondary. My pituitary doesn’t function correctly.
Prior to trt I had a tiny little amount of
Libido. It vanished when I went on.
Appreciate the thoughts though. I wish it were mental sometimes.
What Roscoe is saying is far more common than guys who have it dialed in would like to believe. While test works for a lot of guys, in my experience, and at least the 10 other guys on here making threads asking the same question, more test = more sexual side effects. His thread is questioning why that is. I made one 2 weeks ago asking the same question. It happens.
Telling the guy to see a psych isn’t all that helpful unless he’s already loaded up with an SSRI that’s causing these issues in the first place.
The side effect profile for any drug is listed by the brand, paradoxical side effects such as decreased libido, erectile dysfunction, delayed ejaculation, anorgasmia are all listed right under increased libido, premature ejaculation, etc. This is real shit.
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My man, telling people to see a psych is maybe the best advice any person could get in life. The obsession with physical health looks strange when juxtaposed with the deep and abiding desire to ignore mental health.
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I can assure you my mental health is just dandy.
I appreciate the notion though.