@jtpender, Rob just spent some time in your physique thread giving you feedback. That was super generous of him. Go focus on that. It will be a lot more productive and you’ll have a lot more fun.
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What amount of sets per bodypart do you suggest? More than 12 sets for a bodypart is quite a bit and I made my best gains with 9 to 12 sets per bodypart, sometimes less, even. I couldn’t tolerate more, but I know some people who can, like my buddy @The_Mighty_Stu.
Both. People should be able to take information and apply it to their own situation or reject because it doesn’t suit them, even if some an expert they respect espouses it. The expert is writing to a broad audience and can’t address each person’s individual needs. I’ve met Jim personally. He’s a solid guy and I’d bet he’s actually commend someone for critical thinking and even not using his info if it weren’t working for his situation!
With that said, jock grabbers of in internet cults of personality abound! Some are even so infatuated that they relay irreverent remarks about the jocks on their personal forums and social media accounts, as if the jocks were their best friends or father. @the_mighty_stu
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@jtpender hard at it i see…
Several times I thought of making an analogy of a pasta dish, but decided against it because I didn’t want to have to argue about what truly IS a pasta dish.
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Issues with what you said.
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I have posted studies that both agree and disagree with my claims. The studies showed that what I said was favt, but that there is fact also for the opposition.
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I used a known youtuber to describe issues that I said exist with the program that I was reffering to. I called it proof because somebody said that nobody thinks these issues exist. I gave him proof that there are people that believe that it is not a flawless program.
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According to sone on this topic, I won’t say you because I don’t know if you said it or not but you could potentially be one of them, 5/3/1 is made up of main work, supplemental work, assistance work, etc. What I gave were variations of 5/3/1. I think just ine didn’t use the main work from jack shit, then some used the push pull system for asistance work (10 total sets), some used bbbs, one used widowmaker sets, one was a blog, and there were 2 that I liked. That was the first page that came up when I googled “5/3/1.” If you have an issue with that, bring it up with google. I was argueing against those, not all vsriaitions. If you have not figured that out so far, even though I have mentioned that many times, then you have been missing very many responses.
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Refer to #3.
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I agree with you. Stronglifts 5x5 has plenty of room for improvement, just like all ither programs. I only used it here to get a point across.
You have now proven my point. If you believe that there is only 1 stringlifts 5x5, then you are incorrect for assuming that. I was running 5x5 advanced in this scenerio. You assumed the popularized stronglifts 5x5 because I did not specify what variation. Thank you.
Idk how to quote to exactly what words you said, but I am reffering to when you quoted 5/3/1 forever.
I did mention that. Why would you reiterate it as though I didn’t?
When you mentioned that jack shit isn’t the best forbhypertrophy. (Idk how to reply to direct quotes yet.)
Thank you! That was the initial issue in the previous post. I made this post about people refusing to believe that when there is evidence to support that. The fanboys that refuse to believe that have continued the precious post here.
So I’ve read every single post in this topic and I have not seen this. I think you may be misunderstanding people, in a similar manner that you originally believe that “5/3/1” meant “The 5/3/1 Jack Shit program”
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I agree 100% with what you said. I am reffering to your comment containing why people run cookie cutters and how they can be effective.
Yet again, I agree 100%.
Cookie cutters can be effective. What I was saying though is that a specific cookie xutter has room for improvement. Not that you won’t make progress (I even stated that I used it and made progress).
As for why it is in off topic. I put it here because I couldn’t find another option that would fit the title. If there are some, then I missed it.
This is one reason why I regret starting a different topic. It was the arguement from the start if the previous topic. More and more people misinterpretted what I said afterwards, and that muddied up the original arguement. A large number of people here are actually from that previous post.
Well it appears none of them are claiming that Jack Shit is a good program for hypertrophy. Are you sure the confusion may not exist that those people were referring to 5/3/1 the program and you were believing that they meant Jack Shit because you interpreted “5/3/1” to mean “Jack Shit” up until VERY recently?
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I am very glad that you said that there is no one size fits all optimal program, because that is similar to what I was originally argueing.
In the precious topic, the arguement was that it wasn’t as good as it could be (specifically for arm growth). It was not perfect, and can be made better. Many people didn’t like that apparently.
I actually said it very early on. I didn’t make I, but I actually wrote down the set/rep schemes, along with percentages given (not the actual percentages when you use the prescribed 90% TM thiufh). It was, again, in the previus lost.
Well thankfully it looks like that was all resolved back there, because none of it appeared here.
No I haven’t proven your point. I was very clear that I didn’t know anything Stronglifts and if you said you had run stronglifts I wouldn’t know what you have done. I didn’t assume anything. I couldn’t have been clearer and maybe you should read my post again.
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I really appreciate your kindness. What you said actually made me feel better some. Not much as I am still clinically depressed, but just a little bit better for the time. You are one of the few that actually took time to read what was said, and didn’t try to mock me because you were offended (not saying you were, but was refferring to others) by me having a different view as they do and having some evidence as to why. I really would like to go and start an athsetics thread, and I do plan to do so as a training log. I am just waiting for my current meso cycle to end so that I can start at the begining of one. And I am certain that I won’t get hate for not running 5/3/1. I won’t get hate for anything related to it, as long as I don’t point out that I isn’t perfect. 
But seriously though. You have actually offered kindness to me on here, and it actually helped some. I am very thankful for that.
And heads up, I actually did respond back on my proportions post.
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Thank you! That was my arguement from the original thread. Heads up, I started this thread because the previous one was being backed up by those offended that I poo pood on 5/3/1 by saying that it wasn’t perfection, so it has room for improvements. It isn’t evidence here, but that is because it is running into an issue that this one is. People will join in and see recents and believe it to be following a similar but non identical subject. Kind of ironic. I started this to get away from that, but it started back again.
I am glad that more people can actually see that though.
Not anymore actually. I just wanted somebody to agree with me that 5/3/1 is not perfect. I recently got that, and am now done here. Majority if this has been people talking at eachother, not with. I am guilty of this, but so are the vast majority on here. I believe that this is why we cannot come to a conclusion. I refuse to believe that 5/3/1 is perfect, and others refuse to let me have that. I know that it is not perfect, and I believe that everybody else does as well, but doesn’t really want to admit to it. With that said, I am not responding with fitness advice any more on here. These threads are full of bro science, and I try to avoid that in favir of academics. It is not fun to respond to flawed issues and be gunned down for differing views by many people, especially when dealing with what I am personally. I will now say my last good bye here.