[quote]Scott M wrote:
this is why[/quote]
yeh deadlifting did that
all this deadlift talk is giving me a semi
[quote]matsm21 wrote:
ev1bl wrote:
Its a great exercise but I believe you gotta be moving 6-700lbs before your back will look really big from it.
retard[/quote]
Please explain why I am retarded, I am obviously too retarded to understand.
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
I’ve heard it said so many times that deadlifts build up your body overall (e.g. legs/back/traps etc)…but why do an exercise that isn’t precise and doesn’t directly target a specific muscle group? I understand that compound movements and core strength is good for BBing, but there are other movements that do this and make more progress.
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There are NO movements that effectivley build the back like properly executed deadlifts and the variations of same. Compound movements are not just good for bodybuilding; they are the foundation of bodybuilding. I am not anti-isolation and include them in all my programs; but compound movements are the shortest distance between where most lifters are and where they claim they want to be.
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
I wonder how many guys in those pics are natural? hmmm…[/quote]
People with this bullshit excuse drive me crazy!!!
- I am lifetime natural
- I am a big believer in the deadlift and all variations
- Super-supplements have nothing to do with the decision to deadlift or not.
- Although I’ve heard/read they exist…in over twenty years of training BB/PL/SM I have NEVER personally known/met a lifter(Pro or Am)(Natural or Aided) with an impressive back that didn’t deadlft.
[quote]Gmoore17 wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
I know that the dead lift thing has been beaten to death, but I wanted to add that I was (and am) a skinny bastard who never did dead lifts (but always benched and did pull ups and squats). I started doing dead lifts and even though I have only progressed to 220 lbs for 5 reps, I believe that it is single handedly responsible for my body’s growth in the past few months. I have also started hitting greater weights in the squat and the pull up once I started dead lifting.
I agree, about 10 months ago I’d never done deadlifts heavier than 135 pounds, and my back was by farrrr the worst part of my body. 10 months later, pulled 475 and my back is one of my best parts. Weird! Definitely has made the biggest difference in my training over the past year.
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Is it that you never tried deadlifting more than 135 (i.e. if you tried maybe you could have done 225 or 275) or were you physically incapable of doing more than 135? I gotta believe it’s the former, because a jump from 135 to 475 in 10 months seems next to impossible.
If you’re looking for lat width, I think you can find a number of movements that are superior to the deadlift (chins, BB rows, some hammer machines, pulldowns, etc.).
That being said, I haven’t gone more than 3-4 months in my whole training career (8 years or so) without including heavy deadlifts and I would attribute a great deal of my overall thickness and density to that movement alone. The past year or so I shifted my focus from heavy deadlifts to more movements to get wider and it has helped tremendously.
Bango
Well, when you can DL 400+ for reps, and rack pull 600+ for reps, compare your size to someone who can do 10 pullups, shrug 300lbs, and squat 300lbs.
Here’s where my opinion might differ a bit from some on the site. If you are hitting full ROM squats, then rack pulls may complement your program better than deadlifts. I see snatch grip deadlifts from a deficit always recommended by author’s on the site, but see no reason why you would train these in a program with squats. (unless maybe your an athlete)
I have been dead lifting consistently for the past six months. My traps have grown significantly in that time and are my best feature. I rarely do any direct trap work.
The bottom line is heavy deads work…but it dosnt mean you have to do them to have a strong looking back. Its just the best way to do it in the quickest amount of time the majority of the time.
Dead lifting puts your lower back at risk for injury. Especially if you have any prior complications. So WHY bother?
[quote]fightnews10 wrote:
Dead lifting puts your lower back at risk for injury. Especially if you have any prior complications. So WHY bother?[/quote]
Ya, and benching puts your shoulders at risk, and squats put your knees at risk.
You could stay at home and sit on the couch, but then your heart will be at risk.
CHOOSE YOUR POISION!
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Sklander wrote:
Deadlift is the overall best test of strength. It uses the most muscles in the body at once and it has no negative load build up like squat and bench - you can’t cheat on deadlift.
Tate said it best in a recent article - you don’t see people who can do huge deads without a big thick back, but you see the guys who can do the whole stack of plates on lat pull down with scrawny backs. Do deadlift - it is good for you. Period.
My back’s one of my best features, and I built it up using pullups not deadlifts…[/quote]
How do pullups build your paraspinals, christmas tree or traps?
Looking for reasons not to do the deadlift is a cop out. It’s an exercise with a lot of benefits. That said, if you don’t feel comfortable that you can perform it safely, don’t do it.
Don’t cop out, but don’t hurt yourself either.
[quote]dankid wrote:
fightnews10 wrote:
Dead lifting puts your lower back at risk for injury. Especially if you have any prior complications. So WHY bother?
Ya, and benching puts your shoulders at risk, and squats put your knees at risk.
You could stay at home and sit on the couch, but then your heart will be at risk.
CHOOSE YOUR POISION![/quote]
I’ve hurt my back before. Why should I risk a LIKELY injury? My shoulders are fine so are my knees. So what’s your point?
How bad are dead lifts for someone with a pre existing lower back condition?
[quote]dankid wrote:
Well, when you can DL 400+ for reps, and rack pull 600+ for reps, compare your size to someone who can do 10 pullups, shrug 300lbs, and squat 300lbs.
Here’s where my opinion might differ a bit from some on the site. If you are hitting full ROM squats, then rack pulls may complement your program better than deadlifts. I see snatch grip deadlifts from a deficit always recommended by author’s on the site, but see no reason why you would train these in a program with squats. (unless maybe your an athlete)[/quote]
I agree with you. We start our beginners out on the rack, and for someone who’s not interested in powerlifting or being able to pull big, I don’t see much additional benefit in full range pulls.
Injuries happen due to bad form and excessive load. Injuries happen due to poor program design. Plain and simple.
- Don’t lift with bad form. Don’t put yourself in a position to lift with bad form.
- Don’t go heavy for the sake of going heavy.
Don’t do deadlifts for volume if you haven’t perfected the movement. Treat each rep as its own exercise. Get your back healthy first before you lift. That are many other exercises, even db rows, that put your back at risk.
No additional benefit from full range pulls? Uh…how about low back strength and glute development? If you aren’t training through a full range of motion, or at least aren’t progressing to that point then you are performing a disservice to your muscles and your overall strength and conditioning.
All exercises have purpose. You can’t just do squats or deads or bench or any other exercise every week for an eternity. If you don’t change your program you dont progress. Doesn’t matter what goal you have be it strength, reduced body fat, power, athletic improvement, etc. A proper program is a proper program.
[quote]kylec72 wrote:
Gmoore17 wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
I know that the dead lift thing has been beaten to death, but I wanted to add that I was (and am) a skinny bastard who never did dead lifts (but always benched and did pull ups and squats). I started doing dead lifts and even though I have only progressed to 220 lbs for 5 reps, I believe that it is single handedly responsible for my body’s growth in the past few months. I have also started hitting greater weights in the squat and the pull up once I started dead lifting.
I agree, about 10 months ago I’d never done deadlifts heavier than 135 pounds, and my back was by farrrr the worst part of my body. 10 months later, pulled 475 and my back is one of my best parts. Weird! Definitely has made the biggest difference in my training over the past year.
Is it that you never tried deadlifting more than 135 (i.e. if you tried maybe you could have done 225 or 275) or were you physically incapable of doing more than 135? I gotta believe it’s the former, because a jump from 135 to 475 in 10 months seems next to impossible. [/quote]
Yeah I’m sure I could’ve done at least 225, I was just being a vag, and I had some lower back issues before so I never went heavy at all. It was a lot due to reading on this site that I decided to man up and go heavy on them, and my lower back feels better than ever now.
Well its important if you have back issues to have an expert check it out to see what the problem is, but for some, an injured back may be the result of NOT deadlifting. Im sure if you ask many PT’s you’ll find that the majority of back injuries are in people with weak backs and not from deadlifting. This doesn’t mean that everyone should jump into a heavy loading program for deads to increase their back/hip strength, but if you are clear to do them, then you are greatly shortchanging yourself by avoiding them.
Deadlifts are no more dangerous than bench. The problem is that people dont take the time to learn to do them properly, and to prepare their body to do them properly. You have to make sure you have the mobility and muscle control to keep good form throughout your lift. Someone above mentioned starting all newbies in a power rack, and I would agree. Then you can progress downward until you are out of the rack. The emphasis should always be QUALITY OVER QUANTITY and be realistic and you should be fine.
My personal opinion though, is that ROM is over-rated in many exercises. SOMETIMES it is better to lessen then ROM and go heavier. For certain lifts, in certain situations, this will make things much safer, and allow much heavier loading. Two examples I can think of are floor press, and Rack pulls. Im not saying its the only way, or its always superior, but IMO many times it is. I always see people doing RDL’s or stiff-legged deadlifts from a deficit with 95lbs or less. If they are already doing heavy deadlifts and heavy rack pulls, then sure this is good, but I NEVER see them doing anything heavy. Why take the lift that allows you to lift the most weight, and turn it into an isolation movement that allows no loading? Bad idea.
Don’t deadlift.
Stick with machines that target the muscles more directly for maximum development.
Don’t use dumbells over 20lbs either, you’ll get more constant tension and full range resistance using a cabled weight stack.
so in short, don’t touch the olympic bars, olympic plates, any of the benches, and staay out of the power rack.
We’ll all enjoy our workouts more.
Deadlifts, Bench press, and Pullups = Who could ask for anything more?