it is still a strange idea to me to train my back by just letting my arms hang, but the soreness proves it i guess
man up
“Less than that [2 plates] though, and you’re liable to get your man-card revoked. Better to stay by the cable-pulldowns, lest ye be shamed.”
Ouch man. That hurts the real newbies like me who use 1 plate on each side and can’t walk the next day. First time doing deadlifts ever, of course.
EDIT: Wanted to ask about lifting belts. I bought one today after my lift. Are these recommended? I know they help to keep the spine erect during lifting, but at the same time they force your erectors to work less, and thus are counterproductive in one sense. Should they only be used for very heavy lifts (which I have not started)?
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
“Less than that [2 plates] though, and you’re liable to get your man-card revoked. Better to stay by the cable-pulldowns, lest ye be shamed.”
Ouch man. That hurts the real newbies like me who use 1 plate on each side and can’t walk the next day. First time doing deadlifts ever, of course.
EDIT: Wanted to ask about lifting belts. I bought one today after my lift. Are these recommended? I know they help to keep the spine erect during lifting, but at the same time they force your erectors to work less, and thus are counterproductive in one sense. Should they only be used for very heavy lifts (which I have not started)?[/quote]
Well, they’re not totally useless. Attach some chain to it and you can hang some plates from the chain for chin-ups and dips.
TNT
“There is no point in being alive if you cannot do the deadlift”.
~ Jón Páll Sigmarsson
Nuff said.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
“Less than that [2 plates] though, and you’re liable to get your man-card revoked. Better to stay by the cable-pulldowns, lest ye be shamed.”
Ouch man. That hurts the real newbies like me who use 1 plate on each side and can’t walk the next day. First time doing deadlifts ever, of course.
EDIT: Wanted to ask about lifting belts. I bought one today after my lift. Are these recommended? I know they help to keep the spine erect during lifting, but at the same time they force your erectors to work less, and thus are counterproductive in one sense. Should they only be used for very heavy lifts (which I have not started)?[/quote]
if you are on one plate, a belt isn’t necessary. maintain proper positioning of feet hip and spine and use a weight that you can manage while keeping good form. you’re trying to cause damage to muscles when you lift, so why use the belt? the ONLY reason i can think of why you should use it, is because you bought it. if you cant return it, use it when you max out.
[quote]pachell wrote:
The two excuses for not deadlifting: you’re a coward or a pussy, PERIOD.
What are you going to do? Slow jack on some fruity frilly cable or some Body by Jake bullshit machine? That’s for soccer moms in spandex and pink socks.
Be a fucking man, lift some heavy weight off the ground, and eat a steak.
NOTHING comes close to kicking my ass like deads, not even squats. They completely exhaust me.
I thought T-Nation was home to bodybuilders and not wussies?[/quote]
foreal dawg.
be a man.
do the right thing.
Youve got two identical twin brothers. They are stranded on identical deserted islands and all other things are held equal. One can do any cable row or pulldown he wants and the other only deadlifts. The both eat the same amount (and its enough). One triples his weights on the cable exercises and the other triples his deadlift weights.
Which is going to be the bigger Gilligan? The one cable rowing 300 lbs for a few reps or the one pulling 700-800 lbs for reps?
If they are eating the same then neither one will be bigger. The one deadlifting would be better off only because in this fantasy of yours you are allowing them ONE exercise. Not ony that, but you chose lat pulldowns haha. Of course! Not barbell rows, or weighted chinups. The real world doesn’t work this way.
There are just as many bodybuilders that use deadlifts for their back as there are bodybuilders that DO NOT.
Are they “pussies” because they don’t do this one exercise (even though they see better development doing other exercises for their back development)?
Is Lee Haney a “soccer mom in spandex and pink socks”?
Okay, how about this, you guys show me the back development you’ve attained through doing only deadlifts for your back and then i’ll be pretty convinced. Who wants to go first?
[quote]mr popular wrote:
If they are eating the same then neither one will be bigger. The one deadlifting would be better off only because in this fantasy of yours you are allowing them ONE exercise. Not ony that, but you chose lat pulldowns haha. Of course! Not barbell rows, or weighted chinups. The real world doesn’t work this way.
There are just as many bodybuilders that use deadlifts for their back as there are bodybuilders that DO NOT.
Are they “pussies” because they don’t do this one exercise (even though they see better development doing other exercises for their back development)?
Is Lee Haney a “soccer mom in spandex and pink socks”?
Okay, how about this, you guys show me the back development you’ve attained through doing only deadlifts for your back and then i’ll be pretty convinced. Who wants to go first?[/quote]
the point was, people in the beginners’ section are better off deadlifting then not deadlifting.
A closed chain exercise that recruits more motor units, when done correctly, than almost any other exercise in your bag.
Snatch and the clean and jerk are about the only other exercises that make you work harder but they require some coordination. Something I do not have.
If for no other reason, deadlifts totally waste me, as someone else mentioned. After I finish deadlifts, I really don’t want to stand up or move, let alone continue exercising.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
If they are eating the same then neither one will be bigger. The one deadlifting would be better off only because in this fantasy of yours you are allowing them ONE exercise. Not ony that, but you chose lat pulldowns haha. Of course! Not barbell rows, or weighted chinups. The real world doesn’t work this way.
There are just as many bodybuilders that use deadlifts for their back as there are bodybuilders that DO NOT.
Are they “pussies” because they don’t do this one exercise (even though they see better development doing other exercises for their back development)?
Is Lee Haney a “soccer mom in spandex and pink socks”?
Okay, how about this, you guys show me the back development you’ve attained through doing only deadlifts for your back and then i’ll be pretty convinced. Who wants to go first?[/quote]
The one who deadlifts will be bigger. Why? Because his body has had to adapt to pulling 700-800 lbs off of the floor. Im sure that this only caused growth to his hamstrings, glutes, and lower back though, right?
Of course not. Deadlifts stress everything but the chest, anterior deltoids, and triceps (even though they should be contracted isometrically against the weight in order to ensure biceps health).
Lee Haney is a freak. What works for him and what works for you are very likely going to be different.
Here is the thing you are missing because you are too caught up in arguing:
Deadlifts do the trick when it comes to back development for a great number of people. For some people they are not worth it or may not provide benefit due to leverages, etc. As a 150 lb BEGINNER posting in the BEGINNERS section though, I doubt one has enough experience to know what will and will not work for themselves. I know a lot of new guys that say “oh deadlifts didnt do anything for me” when that really means “deadlifts didnt do anything for me because I am a pussy and never pushed myself or got stronger on them”.
If something works for 90% of the lifting population, then, IMO, you should start with that and then move on from that point if they dont work. That doesnt mean doing a set of 5 with 135 and deciding that the make your waist blocky or hurt your back after the first day. That means actually trying it before you decide that its worthless.
Novel concept.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
If they are eating the same then neither one will be bigger. The one deadlifting would be better off only because in this fantasy of yours you are allowing them ONE exercise. Not ony that, but you chose lat pulldowns haha. Of course! Not barbell rows, or weighted chinups. The real world doesn’t work this way.
There are just as many bodybuilders that use deadlifts for their back as there are bodybuilders that DO NOT.
Are they “pussies” because they don’t do this one exercise (even though they see better development doing other exercises for their back development)?
Is Lee Haney a “soccer mom in spandex and pink socks”?
Okay, how about this, you guys show me the back development you’ve attained through doing only deadlifts for your back and then i’ll be pretty convinced. Who wants to go first?[/quote]
I trained in the past solely doing rows/pulldowns/etc., which yielded “acceptable” results. After incorporating deadlifts into my routine, I started developing a serious back.
I guess you can build a chest on the pec deck and cable cross as well, you’re telling me you should disregard the barbell bench?
I can dick around on the hack squat sled and curl/extension machines around the clock and not feel a damn thing. After loading up a bunch of plates and going ass to grass for a couple sets, I feel it the rest of the week.
You guys still seem very confused.
When did I ever say we should all just scrap the deadlift and do cable rows instead??
I understand that they work well for plenty of people. Do you understand that other exercises work just as well if not better for some individuals? If so I don’t see what you’re disagreeing with.
And saying things like “Lee Haney is a freak!” is a cop out and you know it. haha
What about our very own Professor X?
Are you going to tell him he’s a pansy because he has found better exercises than the deadlift to develop his back?
Should the OP try out deadlifts? Absolutely.
Should a person stick with deadlifts no matter what, even if replacing it with a different exercise would yield better results? Hell no that is retarded.
because your arms will grow bigger.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
You guys still seem very confused.
When did I ever say we should all just scrap the deadlift and do cable rows instead??
I understand that they work well for plenty of people. Do you understand that other exercises work just as well if not better for some individuals? If so I don’t see what you’re disagreeing with.
And saying things like “Lee Haney is a freak!” is a cop out and you know it. haha
What about our very own Professor X?
Are you going to tell him he’s a pansy because he has found better exercises than the deadlift to develop his back?
Should the OP try out deadlifts? Absolutely.
Should a person stick with deadlifts no matter what, even if replacing it with a different exercise would yield better results? Hell no that is retarded.[/quote]
Professor X has been at this far longer than most of the people who are questioning whether or not deadlifting is a good idea. He knows his body and hes given them a try. Hes not some pencil neck newb bashing the lift because hes too weak to pick up an unloaded barbell and doing the selectorized row machines on back day is just so much less demanding.
You must have missed the part where I said “for 90% of the lifting population, doing deadlifts will produce better results than not”. You havent been reading obviously because I said that someone should try them and work on getting stronger with them before deciding that they are some sort of “deadlift non responder” because most people will see benefits from them.
If I am not mistaken, somewhere in there, didnt you say something to the extent of “rows and pulldowns will do the exact same thing”?
Saying “Lee Haney is a freak” IS NOT a cop out, its reality bruddah.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Should a person stick with deadlifts no matter what, even if replacing it with a different exercise would yield better results? Hell no that is retarded.[/quote]
This is rarely the case. I get your point that you didn’t mean to say to abandon deadlifts. But there are very few reasons why someone shouldn’t be Deadlifting. Being in a wheelchair comes to mind as a legit reason.
Stronghold: Why not quote the things I’ve actually said? This would probably prevent you from becoming confused even further.
FightingScott: okay… what is your point? Did I ever suggest the OP should not be deadlifting?
deadlifts train more athletic movements activating the core with the legs wheras good mornings are a more isolated movement, additionally, deadlifts stimualte your body to release testosterone helping your entire routine