[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
My initial assertions that things are fixed were correct, but just not how. This is actually far worse. Rather than changing a ballots he uses threats and intimidation on actual people.
Most of these people who got canned from their jobs did not work for the government hence they were not criticizing their employer and they did not do it publicly.
Like it or not, Bush won fair and square. He got the electorate which is all that matters. He won the pivotal state of Florida. His legacy is fucked up, but he won 2000 legitimately. Feel free to look it up, they did eventually count all the ballots, and he won.
Chavez threatens people threatens and punishes people, how is this legit in any way shape or form? It’s not and you know it.
He is a brutal dictator, not a fairly elected president by a majority of people who were free to choose whom ever they want.
I’m really sick of your Chavez threads. You keep repeating that he is a brutal dictator as if anyone is opposing that notion.
No! That is not the point of contention here.
What you are missing (or simply refusing to acknowledge), is that by any standard, Chavez has more legitimacy than Bush. Chavez’s base are the poor, and those represent the crushing majority of Venezuela. Yes, the economy suffered under him. And yes, he is using dictatorial techniques. But it doesn’t make him any less popular. Bush on the other hand, was not even able to receive a plurality of the popular vote. His approval rates are way below those of Chavez, and that is what makes his rule less legitimate than Chavez (whatever legitimacy means to you).
You say that those canned were not working for the government. So who were they working for? And how did Chavez “get them canned”?
I understand that Americans are pissed because he isn’t whoring his land’s resources anymore to Big Oil. I also understand that well-off Venezuelans don’t like him because he is taking from them to give to the poor (I know, it’s simplistic but this description fits the bill).
But for heaven’s sake, this demonization campaign is becoming really ridiculous. Venezuelans might not want him to become an emperor (as shown by the last referendum), but he is a fairly elected leader. Between him and the fat cats on Washington’s “payroll”, the Venezuelans will pick him any day.[/quote]
Well, I got an easy solution for you, don’t read or respond to the thread if you do not care for the topic. That’s real easy, don’t blame me if you cannot help your self to respond.
He is Chavez more legit than Bush if he uses threats and intimidation to get his votes? That’s just beyond stupid logic.
Actually, it’s not even logic, it’s just blind hatred, which is understandable but undermines what little credibility you already have because it is simply not true. I hate Bush to, and I have to live with him so trying to shove that in my face is like trying to hold water in a chicken wire fence.
As for the rest of your concerns, they are addressed in the transcript. Read it if you want to know the answers, I didn’t post it so I would have to regurgitate it to you.