Going back to CT, I think he made 2 mayor bulking phases. The first one was during his olympic lifting days, where he was 235. He cut down to 205, I think he then improved his physique for a contest, and then he bulked up again. This time he went to a high of 257 I remember, where he didn’t feel really good. Now he reached the best shape of his life at a high of 240~. While this wasn’t a bulk, he is using pretty radical techniques training and nutrition wise which got him on that last number.
SO YEAH, FOR SERIOUS GAINS, YOU HAVE TO FORCE THE BODY TO DO IT. THE SLOW GAIN THINKER WILL NEVER GET TO A SERIOUS LEVEL OF MUSCLE MASS, THAT’S IT.
[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
Going back to CT, I think he made 2 mayor bulking phases. The first one was during his olympic lifting days, where he was 235. He cut down to 205, I think he then improved his physique for a contest, and then he bulked up again. This time he went to a high of 257 I remember, where he didn’t feel really good. Now he reached the best shape of his life at a high of 240~. While this wasn’t a bulk, he is using pretty radical techniques training and nutrition wise which got him on that last number.
SO YEAH, FOR SERIOUS GAINS, YOU HAVE TO FORCE THE BODY TO DO IT. THE SLOW GAIN THINKER WILL NEVER GET TO A SERIOUS LEVEL OF MUSCLE MASS, THAT’S IT.[/quote]
SO YEAH, FOR SERIOUS GAINS, YOU HAVE TO FORCE THE BODY TO DO IT. THE SLOW GAIN THINKER WILL NEVER GET TO A SERIOUS LEVEL OF MUSCLE MASS, THAT’S IT.[/quote]
Well, I’m not sure that’s entirely true. There are some guys who can add appreciable amounts of muscle mass without ever losing their abs - look at someone like Dirty Gerdy to see a case study in that.
However, he’s an ectomorph with a jackrabbit metabolism, and the guy eats - he eats PLENTY of food and gets in a ton of calories, so he grows. He’s just wired genetically to not gain much bodyfat, no matter what he does.
Point is, he eats lots of good healthy food, so he grows, and grows pretty quickly. So there you go…
I mean, in essence I’m not disagreeing with you MEYMZ, just saying that some people can gain LBM without much fat gain, but either way, it’s the surplus calories that cause serious growth…
Man, one time I ate an entire roasted chicken and a loaf of French bread from Albertsons post-workout when I was bulking. A while ago I ate 16 chicken tacos for post-workout. Bulking is fun
Professor X, I see your preference is to be big beyond belief. Have you ever been dry-as-a-bone lean before though? The way CT got himself to a thicker frame on the Olympic lifting diet, but eventually wanted to lose every ounce of fat on his body? Are you personally concerned about detail at all or just size? Whatever the case (I’d still like to know out of curiosity), it should be made clear that a great deal of people value extreme leanness. The problem seems to be that we all want to find a way to achieve mega mass without leaving even moderate leanness. The whole ‘never cut/diet/lose fat’ thing is absolutely stupid when directed at those who want to be competitive bodybuilders or whose primary goal is to have a body carved out of stone, with great detail.
And let me just state this is not an argument, it is a discussion. In no way do I directly disagree with any point you have made thus far.
[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
Professor X, I see your preference is to be big beyond belief. Have you ever been dry-as-a-bone lean before though? The way CT got himself to a thicker frame on the Olympic lifting diet, but eventually wanted to lose every ounce of fat on his body? Are you personally concerned about detail at all or just size? Whatever the case (I’d still like to know out of curiosity), it should be made clear that a great deal of people value extreme leanness. The problem seems to be that we all want to find a way to achieve mega mass without leaving even moderate leanness. The whole ‘never cut/diet/lose fat’ thing is absolutely stupid when directed at those who want to be competitive bodybuilders or whose primary goal is to have a body carved out of stone, with great detail.
And let me just state this is not an argument, it is a discussion. In no way do I directly disagree with any point you have made thus far.[/quote]
Holy suck-ass strawman arguments, Batman, I want you to show me where I wrote that someone should [quote]never cut/diet/lose fat[/quote]. Could you please find the quote where this was written?
After you find that quote, then tell me in detail why you think those of us who do bulk up never plan on dieting down or competing.
After you answer that, then tell me why the fuck someone who isn’t big would be more worried about definition than gaining the muscle so they can actually have something to cut up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
nz6stringaxe wrote:
Professor X, I see your preference is to be big beyond belief. Have you ever been dry-as-a-bone lean before though? The way CT got himself to a thicker frame on the Olympic lifting diet, but eventually wanted to lose every ounce of fat on his body? Are you personally concerned about detail at all or just size? Whatever the case (I’d still like to know out of curiosity), it should be made clear that a great deal of people value extreme leanness. The problem seems to be that we all want to find a way to achieve mega mass without leaving even moderate leanness. The whole ‘never cut/diet/lose fat’ thing is absolutely stupid when directed at those who want to be competitive bodybuilders or whose primary goal is to have a body carved out of stone, with great detail.
And let me just state this is not an argument, it is a discussion. In no way do I directly disagree with any point you have made thus far.
Holy suck-ass strawman arguments, Batman, I want you to show me where I wrote that someone should never cut/diet/lose fat. Could you please find the quote where this was written?
After you find that quote, then tell me in detail why you think those of us who do bulk up never plan on dieting down or competing.
After you answer that, then tell me why the fuck someone who isn’t big would be more worried about definition than gaining the muscle so they can actually have something to cut up.[/quote]
In douche bag boxing announcer voice In the red corner we have Senor X a true veteran of the forums whose word is bordeline gospel and in the red corner we have the Red Headed Menace who is in dire need of a tan! Lets have good clean fight! Lets get it on!!!
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
this guy doesnt repersent the thoughts of other canadians :)[/quote]
Doesn’t even need to be said. Anybody who is dumb enough to actually believe that intelligence level is based on the geographical location in which you were born won’t understand much anyways.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
this guy doesnt repersent the thoughts of other canadians
Doesn’t even need to be said. Anybody who is dumb enough to actually believe that intelligence level is based on the geographical location in which you were born won’t understand much anyways.[/quote]
Pretty sure everyone, myself included, that made the Canada comments were joking dude. It’s okay. eh.
I have to agree with the bulk crowd. I have trained 30 yrs, gained my first 50 lbs in the first 5 and competed, then tried to gain slowly over the years while maintaining abs. I maintained abs but didn’t grow a lb, hell I think I have lost some muscle. Now I might not have done everything right, but I don’t lack motivation or the ability to work my ass off, so it is my lack of calories that is the problem. I am in the process of finding the right balance of calories to gain and with the help of the guys that are successful, I might gain another 50 lbs. I admit I am doing something wrong and I am doing something about it.
This thread has been fun to read, here’s a few thoughts.
Shooting Nazi Zombies is pretty hard unless you have a big machine gun and preferably a ray-gun. Then again, at high levels you need to go for head shots…and people who glitch suck. Fight the zombies, kill the zombies.
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed “bulking” up from 78kg to 100kg (tipped that last week) in just over 18 months of focussed resistance exercise. I concur with my fellow peanut butter nutter Growing Boy, there’s nothing quite like eating a whole chicken, by yourself. My favorite was dropping a Jumbo Pizza on my own one night when the Mrs was away for the weekend and I’d had a big training night. I don’t eat shit food by choice, but I definitely don’t abstain from hamburgers/pizza. For my first bash at adding mass this has been fun.
I like the fact that the guys in my gym who are all worried about their abs are now coming up to me and going “wow, you’re bigger than me, you lift more than me, you look better than me, how are you doing that?”. I’m definitely not cut up at the mo, have something resembling a 3-pack going on in the abs but I don’t give a shit.
Got 4 heavy training weeks left then I’ll actually be “cutting” for a period prior to a friend’s wedding, otherwise I’d just keep going up.
bwhitwell is awesome and your opinion is always pretty damn good.
Canada is quite boring and sterile (I’m not from the USA), but at least the people are nice (maybe that’s just a superficial thing).
Meat pies are good; especially potato top pies!!! Butter chicken curry pies could be the death of me…I resist as much as I can.
Oh yeah, never trust a ginger (red-headed person), they’re evil.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Man, one time I ate an entire roasted chicken and a loaf of French bread from Albertsons post-workout when I was bulking. A while ago I ate 16 chicken tacos for post-workout. Bulking is fun[/quote]
that sounds AMAZZZING I think I am going to ponderosa now. after b-dubs
I like the fact that the guys in my gym who are all worried about their abs are now coming up to me and going “wow, you’re bigger than me, you lift more than me, you look better than me, how are you doing that?”. I’m definitely not cut up at the mo, have something resembling a 3-pack going on in the abs but I don’t give a shit.
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ex-fucking-actly
There is really only a small handful of guys in my gym I’m not catching up to, I’m looking up to them instead.
