[quote]Kvetch wrote:
I realise pec-tears are common in advanced juiced lifters and the main reason for Dante’s flat bench hate but are there any cases of a natural suffering a pec-tear from flat benching?
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Are you serious? Please say you are joking and the rest of us just didn’t get it. [/quote]
So what’s the problem?
Dante & dogcrapp were brought up earlier as examples of trainers dropping flat bench due to injury risk. I understand this is due to the physique spoiling risk of a pec-tear yet DC also links this risk directly to steroid use due to both the increased pressure on connective tissue and suspected damage to tendons. I won’t link to the sites but this isn’t very controversial.
What I haven’t heard of is any reports of pec tears from natural trainees hence my question. Its a reasonable question with perhaps a very simple answer.
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The problem is that it’s a moronic question. Do you really think out of the millions of guys who have benched throughout history that none of those guys who were “natural” never tore a pec? Anytime you push the envelope you are going to be close to injury, period. You just have to learn when to back off. The only way thatis a reasonable question is if you are looking for a reason not push yourself. [/quote]
Nice to see you post again, Le. Thought we’d lost you somewhere.
Want to give us an update on your training in your T-Cell thread? (If you haven’t already, haven’t gotten around to checking yet)
What CC just wrote on shoulder injuries resonates pretty strongly with me. Suffering through a shoulder injury at the moment caused by; yup, faulty (shitty in fact) bench press form. With hindsight I can see everything I did wrong and all the warning signs leading up to my injury. Bugger.
Is there anything to keep in mind form wise that is as vital for incline DB press, for when I can eventually start pressing again?
And in terms of this topic, I wish I had learned to bench press properly, but I also wish I had got in to DB pressing much earlier, as my best chest growth to date definitely came from that.
[quote]Kvetch wrote:
I realise pec-tears are common in advanced juiced lifters and the main reason for Dante’s flat bench hate but are there any cases of a natural suffering a pec-tear from flat benching?
[quote]Kvetch wrote:
I realise pec-tears are common in advanced juiced lifters and the main reason for Dante’s flat bench hate but are there any cases of a natural suffering a pec-tear from flat benching?
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I have popped in from time to time, but doing more observing. Just dealing with life at the moment. Right now, I am honestly stuck working out when and as I can due to all the crap going on, but I am maintaining. Actually put on another 10 lbs, but growing has never really been the issue for me.
Are you serious? Please say you are joking and the rest of us just didn’t get it. [/quote]
So what’s the problem?
Dante & dogcrapp were brought up earlier as examples of trainers dropping flat bench due to injury risk. I understand this is due to the physique spoiling risk of a pec-tear yet DC also links this risk directly to steroid use due to both the increased pressure on connective tissue and suspected damage to tendons. I won’t link to the sites but this isn’t very controversial.
What I haven’t heard of is any reports of pec tears from natural trainees hence my question. Its a reasonable question with perhaps a very simple answer.
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The problem is that it’s a moronic question. Do you really think out of the millions of guys who have benched throughout history that none of those guys who were “natural” never tore a pec? Anytime you push the envelope you are going to be close to injury, period. You just have to learn when to back off. The only way thatis a reasonable question is if you are looking for a reason not push yourself. [/quote]
Nice to see you post again, Le. Thought we’d lost you somewhere.
Want to give us an update on your training in your T-Cell thread? (If you haven’t already, haven’t gotten around to checking yet)[/quote]
[quote]Kvetch wrote:
I realise pec-tears are common in advanced juiced lifters and the main reason for Dante’s flat bench hate but are there any cases of a natural suffering a pec-tear from flat benching?
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I did about a month ago. [/quote]
Thank you. I figured there just HAD to be someone who had. LOL
And thanks, CC. I thought Layne Norton had torn his pec, but I didn’t have time to check and confirm since I responded from my phone. It was just such a ridiculous question I couldn’t let it sit there, like that.
Why bench press is a stupid question that you have to answer your self. i bench because i feel its a great front delt, slash tri excercise. i could bench for an hour straight using 20 rep sets and not get a pump in my pecs but the bench is one of the most valuable exercises for my body when it comes to front delt, and tri size/strength and its literally one of the most rewarding exercises to get strong at.
nothing like crushing a bench PR and getting off the bench feelin JACKED but honestly most that flat bench for pec size either have disgusting form or shoulder pain in a few months. i feel DB presses, flys, and decline presses are much better exercises for pec size for someone with a body structure similar to mine but then again floor pressing gives me an amazing pec pump go figure?
The neck press or “guillotine press” can present itself with its own shoulder related problems.
How about:
Slightly wider than a PL grip but not TOO wide as too wide also will hurt shoulder.
Come down to above nipple line but NOT to the neck. Below nipple line even to the xyphoid process or bellow is a common PL style.
Don’t lock out.
Anytime I do the above my chest gets blowed up all over…caveat: I have T-rex arms and a barrel chest. Here’s something simple. How does your bench compare to your deadlift? How does your squat compare to your deadlift? Usually a good bencher, and thus the bench will tend to hit your chest more, has shorter arms. But shorter arms also usually means a weaker deadlift compared to squat. Of course this is provided you train all three lifts consistently.
I’ve been lifting for ~ 2 1/2 years and I’m slight incline benching the 120s for 8 (as of last week), I’d be really fucking surprised if someone did that in a year (and they felt light, no less).
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I’ve been lifting for ~ 2 1/2 years and I’m slight incline benching the 120s for 8 (as of last week), I’d be really fucking surprised if someone did that in a year (and they felt light, no less).
I haven’t BB benched in a couple years, though.[/quote]
