I’m willing to bet cash money that most of you guys know which side of this tear-jerking issue I am on.
Vroom and I rarely agree in the political forums. But when it comes to training and nutrition advice - I’m with him, Nate Dogg, and…God this hurts to say…BFG.
C’mon folks - this is freakin T-Nation. Not the damn Oprah Show. The best advice I can give to you who want us to be a kinder, gentler, more estrogenic T-Nation is to consider the source when it comes to flaming. It’s part of the process around here.
I just wish there wasn’t a “hold hands and hug” thread popping up every couple of weeks.
I agree with Rainjack. Many of the posters need a hard jolt in the ego to get their attention. Plus, like he said, you have to know the source. Most of us know that RJ will be quick to flame if the thread has just a hint of b.s. He and NateDogg are honest. If you don’t want an honest opinion, don’t ask. No one here will blow sunshine up one’s ass out of kindness.
Anyone who grew up playing competitive sports should know how to take a little constructive criticism, humiliation, and even ridicule. Coaches are notorious for riding the asses of their players. Why? Becuase it drives them to do better, it raises the bar, it forces them to do things they would never do on their own. Does it piss you off? Sure, it pissed me off, but it also gave me that “I’ll show you mother-fucker” chip on my shoulder, which was all I needed to get over the hump in many cases. It’s all about motivation, and some people need a little more than others. For example: Private Pyle (Full Metal Jacket); Although, that one didn’t turn out to well now, did it?
The key to the criticism is to be constructive, i.e. to critisize with the intent to build the individual up. With that said, the jackass who posts only to deride someone is simply, well, a jackass, who should be ignored.
So, I don’t propose beating someone down, unless they’re just an idiot, not heading previously delivered sound advice, while continuing to ask for more.
The threads I’ve read, however, have been very positive and complimentary for the most part. I’ve only seen one thread where someone really got an ass chewin’, but I don’t know the history of that situation, so it’s hard to say whether it’s warranted or not.
I usually bite my tounge several times and at least try to expose some weakness before I strike. After all, there is realy no sense in flaming someone if you don’t know how to hurt them, is there?
Actually, a few weeks ago, I was setting this goofus up for a good one, and a bunch of guys jumped the gun. Then some jerk actualy took credit for my set up. Man, I wanted to torch that bozo to cinders, but I didn’t.
Just wait until someone snakes your set up. You’ll want to scorch him into oblivion too.
In agreement with several posters above, when the situation calls for a true, honest answer, it’s given. When the situation doesn’t, well check your stupid feelings at the door, and take what you deserve.
I don’t see the point of flaming people just for the hell of it. I don’t see the point in holding their hair while they take a piss, either. If they have done well, I tell them. If they are whinging, I tell them. If they are being a muppet fucker, I tell them that, too.
I don’t see the point of pandering to people who don’t put the effort in. Or to the whingers who complain about how hard eating/dieting/being short/being tall is. I really haven’t seen a thread that was started in a positive manner deteriorate into a cluster fuck.
I have seen plenty of threads where people have been genuine in what they are asking, and they have received great advice. I have also seen plenty of piss-faced whingers get exactly what they deserve.
If a thread turns into a scene out of “Cousin Fuckers Volume 4”, have a look back at the original material by the original poster. More often than not, they have not want to put the effort in, and were not genuine in what they wanted. All they wanted was someone to pat them on the back and tell them they are great. Instead, they end up being taken roughly from behind.
Of course, there are exceptions to this rule (Sictorn’s thread being completely trashed by Oogie comes to mind - thank-you, Oogie, you muppet fucker).
[quote]Mediated Life wrote:
Second to the initial posters, not what NateDog said.
Some people are merely posting to get their name in all the forums. They drop an insult and never even go back to read it.
I love reading Get Lifted posts. Reading the first 3-4 pages of flamers, and then he shuts them up by actually doing it.[/quote]
I think most people quit posting in that thread because it was useless to do so, not because he shut anyone up. The guy is already done with that phase and back into training for football. As stated, that is not some program that most people could stick with long term. 2 months is not long term and if you see major changes in his before and after pics, that is between you and your eye sockets.
As far as this thread, I swear some of you are sweating more estrogen than members at a baby shower. I still have yet to run across all of these people getting reamed for no reason at all. Usually there is a very good reason for it.
I also wonder why those who cry so much when someone gets spoken to in any harsh manner are never the ones to actually give any decent advice.
[quote]Massif wrote:
I don’t see the point of flaming people just for the hell of it. I don’t see the point in holding their hair while they take a piss, either. If they have done well, I tell them. If they are whinging, I tell them. If they are being a muppet fucker, I tell them that, too.
I don’t see the point of pandering to people who don’t put the effort in. Or to the whingers who complain about how hard eating/dieting/being short/being tall is. I really haven’t seen a thread that was started in a positive manner deteriorate into a cluster fuck.
I have seen plenty of threads where people have been genuine in what they are asking, and they have received great advice. I have also seen plenty of piss-faced whingers get exactly what they deserve.
If a thread turns into a scene out of “Cousin Fuckers Volume 4”, have a look back at the original material by the original poster. More often than not, they have not want to put the effort in, and were not genuine in what they wanted. All they wanted was someone to pat them on the back and tell them they are great. Instead, they end up being taken roughly from behind.
Of course, there are exceptions to this rule (Sictorn’s thread being completely trashed by Oogie comes to mind - thank-you, Oogie, you muppet fucker).[/quote]
Hey Massif,
I think your post speaks for a lot of the T-Nationers on here. I don’t think T-Nation is a sight for hand-holding or spoon-feeding step by step instructions to aspiring trainees.
There are defintely threads where posters do not want to put the work in and post a topic “just waiting to get flamed.” I think you summed it up best “I don’t see the point of flaming people just for the hell of it. I don’t see the point in holding their…If they have done well, I tell them.” Thanks for putting that out there and posting.
I refuse to agree with Rainjack simply based on principle, however, we don’t need any lovey dovey crap on this site. Honest, and sometimes brutal, opinions are necessary.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
I refuse to agree with Rainjack simply based on principle, however, we don’t need any lovey dovey crap on this site. Honest, and sometimes brutal, opinions are necessary. [/quote]
If I am big enough to say that I agree with vroom, surely you can match my bigness and agree with me. This isn’t the political forum - it’s okay to agree with me up here.
I think that people that just post a smart-ass comment and never look back are the real problem.
More accurately, the people who do not post anything remotely relevant or helpful, even if the advice is presented in a sarcastic tone, are really pathetic.
If you are going to be a prick and post something unnecessary, read the responses and reply back. Walking away from something you started is really cowardly, and very un-T-Man’ish.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
slimjim wrote:
I refuse to agree with Rainjack simply based on principle, however, we don’t need any lovey dovey crap on this site. Honest, and sometimes brutal, opinions are necessary.
If I am big enough to say that I agree with vroom, surely you can match my bigness and agree with me. This isn’t the political forum - it’s okay to agree with me up here.[/quote]
I don’t want to speculate whether or not I can match your uh, bigness, but I’ll go ahead and agree with you.
Personally, I have not seen a great deal of ‘flaming’, the only time people get criticised on here is when their progress has been sub-par and they are expecting a round of applause for having operated a camera.
Perhaps if people don’t want to have their egos crushed and suffer emotional distress, they shouldn’t post on a forum called “testosterone”?
Anyway, I don’t quite buy the story about the innocent flaming victim. A person who takes a minimum of time to find out what this place is all about should be able to word his post in a way that avoids pissing off the majority of regular members or setting him up for mockery and flaming. IMHO, most regulars here are more than eager to help someone who honestly wants to improve.
Did I really comment on this topic again? Oh, well, at least it inevitably brings me closer to my 500th post jubilee…
