This does not explain America’s success in powerlifting.
For most people that make it to the Olympics, their sport is not fun… it’s life.
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
weightlifting is “fun” in the usa. its not life. in russia, china and other countries, it is life for these athletes which is why a doping test doesnt scare them. American weightlifters don’t lift to get out of poverty like the chinese do.
do you think the chinese are afraid of taking drugs their coaches give them if their job is on the line? hell no. but then again, like i said before, these athletes know a form of commitment that barely any american will ever know because of societal differences.
This does not explain America’s success in powerlifting.
For most people that make it to the Olympics, their sport is not fun… it’s life.
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do they get fired if they dont win an olympic or world medal? if americans get injured do they get sent back to poverty forced to work for wages that they can barely survive off of? in the usa they don’t, but in china this happens to many. if you think it is life for the athletes in the usa then you are really underestimating how hard foreign athletes train.
since you brought up powerlifting, you are probably from that crowd which makes sense. training 4-5 days a week one session a day like a powerlifter is not how its done in elite weightlifting. try 6-8 hours a day training 6 days a week and in periods of more intensive preparation some teams train until midnight almost every day of the week with only one day off…
chigishev went something like 8 months without seeing his wife or kid because of training. reassess what you think commitment is in strength sports before you think americans train hard in weightlifting.
two possible reasons they don’t train this hard is because of testing and lack of funding/motivational reward system. the governments pay athletes pretty well if they win a medal. Ilya Ilin made close to 200,000$ for his gold medal and he is 20 years old.
if you have not read naim suleymanoglu’s biography you really should, especially before commenting on whether or not americans train hard relative to the rest of the world. it is a great motivational book even if you are not a weightlifter.
[quote]bomber221 wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
weightlifting is “fun” in the usa. its not life. in russia, china and other countries, it is life for these athletes which is why a doping test doesnt scare them. American weightlifters don’t lift to get out of poverty like the chinese do.
do you think the chinese are afraid of taking drugs their coaches give them if their job is on the line? hell no. but then again, like i said before, these athletes know a form of commitment that barely any american will ever know because of societal differences.
This does not explain America’s success in powerlifting.
For most people that make it to the Olympics, their sport is not fun… it’s life.
do they get fired if they dont win an olympic or world medal? if americans get injured do they get sent back to poverty forced to work for wages that they can barely survive off of? in the usa they don’t, but in china this happens to many. if you think it is life for the athletes in the usa then you are really underestimating how hard foreign athletes train.
since you brought up powerlifting, you are probably from that crowd which makes sense. training 4-5 days a week one session a day like a powerlifter is not how its done in elite weightlifting. try 6-8 hours a day training 6 days a week and in periods of more intensive preparation some teams train until midnight almost every day of the week with only one day off…
chigishev went something like 8 months without seeing his wife or kid because of training. reassess what you think commitment is in strength sports before you think americans train hard in weightlifting.
two possible reasons they don’t train this hard is because of testing and lack of funding/motivational reward system. the governments pay athletes pretty well if they win a medal. Ilya Ilin made close to 200,000$ for his gold medal and he is 20 years old.
if you have not read naim suleymanoglu’s biography you really should, especially before commenting on whether or not americans train hard relative to the rest of the world. it is a great motivational book even if you are not a weightlifter.
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Though I don’t agree with everything you say, your points are well made and you obviously know a great deal more about the sport than I. I concede.
[quote]ninearms wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i also think its funny how China will abduct kids into 24/7 training facilities and still not even be that impressive.
What??? The won gold in all but one of the weight classes they entered in Beijing, and the only one they didn’t win they lost on bodyweight. Does setting a new world record on your second attempt and then breaking it on your third not impress you either?[/quote]
i didnt catch any of the weightlifting events.
but they werent in the water now were they? U S A, U S A, U S A ! ! !! ! ! !!!
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
Dominator wrote:
I’ve got all the evidence I ever need, and just because I don’t supply a syringe ala Brian Macnamee for evidence doesn’t mean it isn’t going on. I’m not loosing any sleep that you want hard evidence of drug use…it’s there, you either recognize it or choose to ignore it.
Or it isn’t there, and you are just mouthing off on some forum because you can. Honestly, the sport needs less people like you hanging around it, talking about things you don’t know about.
If you really think there’s evidence that East Coast Gold lifters are on drugs, I can certainly put you in touch with the head coach and you can make your concerns known to him. Or just stop making crap up.[/quote]
Honestly, why would you expect someone to snitch on a public forum? I don’t think anyone in their right mind would or should do that.
Lifters take drugs, not all, but there’s plenty that do. I’m sure there’s some on your team that are taking and you have no clue.
[quote]bomber221 wrote:
weightlifting is “fun” in the usa. its not life. in russia, china and other countries, it is life for these athletes which is why a doping test doesnt scare them. American weightlifters don’t lift to get out of poverty like the chinese do. do you think the chinese are afraid of taking drugs their coaches give them if their job is on the line? hell no. but then again, like i said before, these athletes know a form of commitment that barely any american will ever know because of societal differences.[/quote]
Big +1!
Lifting here for the most part is a hobby. It’s a job, or a chance out of a terrible situation in nearly every other country.
[quote]bomber221 wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
weightlifting is “fun” in the usa. its not life. in russia, china and other countries, it is life for these athletes which is why a doping test doesnt scare them. American weightlifters don’t lift to get out of poverty like the chinese do.
do you think the chinese are afraid of taking drugs their coaches give them if their job is on the line? hell no. but then again, like i said before, these athletes know a form of commitment that barely any american will ever know because of societal differences.
This does not explain America’s success in powerlifting.
For most people that make it to the Olympics, their sport is not fun… it’s life.
do they get fired if they dont win an olympic or world medal? if americans get injured do they get sent back to poverty forced to work for wages that they can barely survive off of? in the usa they don’t, but in china this happens to many. if you think it is life for the athletes in the usa then you are really underestimating how hard foreign athletes train.
since you brought up powerlifting, you are probably from that crowd which makes sense. training 4-5 days a week one session a day like a powerlifter is not how its done in elite weightlifting. try 6-8 hours a day training 6 days a week and in periods of more intensive preparation some teams train until midnight almost every day of the week with only one day off…
chigishev went something like 8 months without seeing his wife or kid because of training. reassess what you think commitment is in strength sports before you think americans train hard in weightlifting.
two possible reasons they don’t train this hard is because of testing and lack of funding/motivational reward system. the governments pay athletes pretty well if they win a medal. Ilya Ilin made close to 200,000$ for his gold medal and he is 20 years old.
if you have not read naim suleymanoglu’s biography you really should, especially before commenting on whether or not americans train hard relative to the rest of the world. it is a great motivational book even if you are not a weightlifter.
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So basically the Chinese government has their citizens under control at a the point of a gun. Squat or die muthasucka!
Damn I love democracy.
All of your best athletes go to the sport of football, right? At least that’s the impresstion that I get.
[quote]So basically the Chinese government has their citizens under control at a the point of a gun. Squat or die muthasucka!
Damn I love democracy.[/quote]
To be honest, most Chinese parents would probably be quite happy for their offspring to have a chance at success. Same way parents in the UK used to (and still) send their kids to boarding school because it was deemed a better education.
Not that I’m a fan of China’s “government”.
Yeah, and besides, the thing is that we are all here. yOu know? And we arent living in china, but are all living in other countries that are not china, except for those of us that live in china. Those people are chinese. But the rest of us arent chinese. Do you see what im saying?
[quote]Scrotus wrote:
Yeah, and besides, the thing is that we are all here. yOu know? And we arent living in china, but are all living in other countries that are not china, except for those of us that live in china. Those people are chinese. But the rest of us arent chinese. Do you see what im saying?
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Yah, totally. You can’t really help where your born.
Episode 205:
Chinese dodgeball players aren’t like us.
They do nothing but dodgeball day in and day out.
They use steroids and advanced training equipment to make them not kids, but animals.
[quote]cheeta wrote:
Football is your version of Rugby
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That made me chuckle. Made me re-call some memories of rugby players playing against American Footballers. First they played without protection like proper rugby. After a few minutes the Footballers gave up, because the game was too rough for them and the rugby players won that match. Then they played the match with protective gear like proper American Football. The footballers lost with even bigger numbers then without gear…and they were still complaining about how rough the rugby players played hehe.
@Scottoman
There are a fair number of people doing olympic lifts, but not at an olympic level. It is more for posterior chain and balance and stuff. Even a powerlifter/bodybuilder can gain in their field from olympic excercises.
[quote]Falstyr wrote:
cheeta wrote:
Football is your version of Rugby
That made me chuckle. Made me re-call some memories of rugby players playing against American Footballers. First they played without protection like proper rugby. After a few minutes the Footballers gave up, because the game was too rough for them and the rugby players won that match. Then they played the match with protective gear like proper American Football. The footballers lost with even bigger numbers then without gear…and they were still complaining about how rough the rugby players played hehe.
@Scottoman
There are a fair number of people doing olympic lifts, but not at an olympic level. It is more for posterior chain and balance and stuff. Even a powerlifter/bodybuilder can gain in their field from olympic excercises.
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I haven’t been on this site in months but since it’s dead here at work I have time to surf and address this retarded comment. So they played Rugby with football equipment on? If so where did they find Football equipment in Holland? Oh ya we American’s always travel with our Footballers gear. You ever heard of a saying regarding apples and oranges blah blah blah?
Reminds me of the time the New England Patriots went to New Zealand and played the All-Blacks in “proper” Rugby. They got their asses handed to them. Then the all Blacks came to America and played a game of American Football and guess what happened? So what have we proved? Rugby players are better at Rugby and American Football players are better at American Football. WOW what a revelation!
Forget all this crap!! The question is who wins a Boxer or a Muay Thai boxer (no legs of course) 
thread is off topic.so lame.next topic!
[quote]Falstyr wrote:
cheeta wrote:
Football is your version of Rugby
That made me chuckle. Made me re-call some memories of rugby players playing against American Footballers. First they played without protection like proper rugby. After a few minutes the Footballers gave up, because the game was too rough for them and the rugby players won that match.
Then they played the match with protective gear like proper American Football. The footballers lost with even bigger numbers then without gear…and they were still complaining about how rough the rugby players played hehe.
@Scottoman
There are a fair number of people doing olympic lifts, but not at an olympic level. It is more for posterior chain and balance and stuff. Even a powerlifter/bodybuilder can gain in their field from olympic excercises.
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Agreed, i was just making a point that theres a reason why, after I’ve focused my workouts around olympic lifts for 4 years, that when i go to a golds gym or 24 hour fitness I feel somewhat lost.
[quote]I haven’t been on this site in months but since it’s dead here at work I have time to surf and address this retarded comment. So they played Rugby with football equipment on? If so where did they find Football equipment in Holland? Oh ya we American’s always travel with our Footballers gear. You ever heard of a saying regarding apples and oranges blah blah blah?
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No you got it wrong.
- They played rugby. And obviously the rugby players won.
- Then they both played America Football against each other…with AF gear. And yes we do have that stuff in The Netherlands. Heck we even have a team using American’s playing in the European Leaguea. So they both played Football…and the rugby players still won with ease.
[quote]No you got it wrong.
- They played rugby. And obviously the rugby players won.
- Then they both played America Football against each other…with AF gear. And yes we do have that stuff in The Netherlands. Heck we even have a team using American’s playing in the European Leaguea. So they both played Football…and the rugby players still won with ease.
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This seems unlikely. Citation please.
Lol rugby and football are totally different games there is no point in even comparing them.
Rugby league would be a bit closer. In my eyes RL is miles ahead of rugby union in terms of physical capabilties, skills and heart.
Well at least you guys had some entries. We had one brave Scottish lass and that was it.