Why All the Hate on Crossfit?

[quote]Westclock wrote:
We don’t hate crossfit for any REAL specific reason.

We simply hate everyone and everything that is even slightly different than ourselves, because they are wrong.

We hate other people, and anything that they think or believe that doesn’t fall in line with our beliefs.

Trick is, we are large enough that no one can do anything about it, we are giant assholes backed up by physical over development and legions of like minded, similarly oversized fuckers.

Welcome to the Iron Game. We are an army of bigots and hypocrites and no one can do anything about it.

/Thread.[/quote]

I like the way you think.

I read this somewhere - Crossfit, turning out of shape women hot and men into women everywhere.

I don’t have anything against crossfit. I think its a great muscle conditining tool but I wouldn’t say it could ever help me achieve my goals of getting bigger.

[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
conorh wrote:
Zendefone wrote:
wanting to have great strength

CrossFitters have great strength? Not just mediocre or adequate levels of strength?

Depends on who you’re talking about. The high level ones are stronger than most people you will find on Tnation. Josh Everett is stronger than most, for example.[/quote]

WOW Josh Everett is strong. Please find a new example, i swear out of all the 1000’s of crossfitters out there “forging elite fitness” i only here the same 6 or 7 names being used to back your point.

[quote]Westclock wrote:
We don’t hate crossfit for any REAL specific reason.

We simply hate everyone and everything that is even slightly different than ourselves, because they are wrong.

We hate other people, and anything that they think or believe that doesn’t fall in line with our beliefs.

Trick is, we are large enough that no one can do anything about it, we are giant assholes backed up by physical over development and legions of like minded, similarly oversized fuckers.

Welcome to the Iron Game. We are an army of bigots and hypocrites and no one can do anything about it.

/Thread.[/quote]

Quite possibly my favorite T-Nation post EVER (which didn’t contain pics of half naked chicks).

[quote]pf wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
conorh wrote:
Zendefone wrote:
wanting to have great strength

CrossFitters have great strength? Not just mediocre or adequate levels of strength?

Depends on who you’re talking about. The high level ones are stronger than most people you will find on Tnation. Josh Everett is stronger than most, for example.

WOW Josh Everett is strong. Please find a new example, i swear out of all the 1000’s of crossfitters out there “forging elite fitness” i only here the same 6 or 7 names being used to back your point.

[/quote]

There are only 6 or 7 names that are known to people. I could say Sam Johnson or any number of names of people I know, but it wouldn’t mean anything to anybody.

[quote]Westclock wrote:
We don’t hate crossfit for any REAL specific reason.

We simply hate everyone and everything that is even slightly different than ourselves, because they are wrong.

We hate other people, and anything that they think or believe that doesn’t fall in line with our beliefs.

Trick is, we are large enough that no one can do anything about it, we are giant assholes backed up by physical over development and legions of like minded, similarly oversized fuckers.

Welcome to the Iron Game. We are an army of bigots and hypocrites and no one can do anything about it.

/Thread.[/quote]

Best.
Post.
Ever!

[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
pf wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
conorh wrote:
Zendefone wrote:
wanting to have great strength

CrossFitters have great strength? Not just mediocre or adequate levels of strength?

Depends on who you’re talking about. The high level ones are stronger than most people you will find on Tnation. Josh Everett is stronger than most, for example.

WOW Josh Everett is strong. Please find a new example, i swear out of all the 1000’s of crossfitters out there “forging elite fitness” i only here the same 6 or 7 names being used to back your point.

There are only 6 or 7 names that are known to people. I could say Sam Johnson or any number of names of people I know, but it wouldn’t mean anything to anybody.[/quote]

did they get strong doing crossfit or were they strong when they started. Has ANY crossfitter in your entourage(or that you’ve heard of) strated in cross fit being able to deadlift to squat 100lbs and then went on being able to squat 400-500 doing exclusively crossfit? really? because that’s exactly what they crossfit folks are selling.

[quote]Zendefone wrote:
Oh, well, if it’s really the reasons above then it’s kinda stupid. We should respect the goals of others, its not like there something wrong going after overall fitness. Some people want to be big and strong, some want to be strong and well-conditioned, so why the hate?[/quote]

and some can do it all

[quote]Westclock wrote:
We don’t hate crossfit for any REAL specific reason.

We simply hate everyone and everything that is even slightly different than ourselves, because they are wrong.

We hate other people, and anything that they think or believe that doesn’t fall in line with our beliefs.

Trick is, we are large enough that no one can do anything about it, we are giant assholes backed up by physical over development and legions of like minded, similarly oversized fuckers.

Welcome to the Iron Game. We are an army of bigots and hypocrites and no one can do anything about it.

/Thread.[/quote]

HA! That is the best fucking post I’ve ever read!

This is retarded…People are retarded. If doing crossfit gets fat americans of fthere asses and into the gym then awesome. God knows we have to many fat lazy disgusting pigs in our country and anything that will help lower that number is awesome.

On the same note does everything about crossfit make sense? NO but hey everything about Bodybuilding and Powerlifting doesnt make sense to me either. So are you gonna squat 600pds in crossfit or walk on stage with perfect symitry? Probably not but i dont think they care. Does it seem at time that crossfit workouts seem to be poorly thought out and counter productive or even dangerous?

Yeah there are times were workoouts are dangerous IE. doing cleans and jerks or deadlifts in a fatigued state. One thing I’ve also learned is at this point most crossfit gyms dont really do crossfit anymore. They use the rough guideline laidout by crossfit but have warped it to satisfy different clients goals.

Anyway I’m done with these conversation!
As Rhodney King Once said " Cant we all just get along?" LOL

I don’t hate Crossfit folks. Even though I may question their sanity and fanaticism at times, it is hard not to give some props to someone who has worked out so hard they relish soaking in the cooling effect of their own sweat and vomit pooled together.

I’ll come at this from a different angle, as someone who has, until recently, only ever trained for functionality (I know that there are people here who hate that term), and what I mean by that is I trained for: triathlons, quadrathlons, the Marines/combat, mountaineering, Search and Rescue, exe. I had real world objectives, and I trained to be generally fit enough to overcome the kind of stuff I though I might encounter - long loaded humps through the snow, exe.

The program that myself, and a former Nautilus (back in the day) trainer came up with was in some ways very similar to crossfit, but some key differences that addressed what we found to be issues with cross-fit. Here are a few:

Range of motion - most of what they do, it’s all counted and timed… so strict form and range of motion goes out the window.

Kipping is for pussies - self-explanatory… and if you call a kip a pull-up, you’re even worse.

The focus on Olympic lifting is stupid. Not because Olympic lifting is stupid, but because it’s a skill, and this goes to the larger issue of training vs. competition. Just like you don’t just play pickup games of basketball to make it to the NBA, training like you’re competing all the time is not very productive. If your goal is Olympic style weight lifting competitions, those lifts are great, and you can practice the skill separately from pure conditioning for the lift.

Cross-fit makes not distinction… I’m sure because part of the selling point is the competitive nature of the activity. But if your goal is to train to get stronger, and not just play all the time, doing as many half-assed lifts or kips as you can.

Cross-fit is more of an activity than a real training philosophy. But I am all for training, for general conditioning, with non-stop intensity, one activity to another.

For awhile one of my workout consisted of wearing a sixty pound pack… running up hill a 1/4 mile round trip no rest to deadlift, repeat run, no rest, then bench, repeat run, no rest then bar curls. That would be once circuit, so I’d repeat that three times. My lift were clean, proper form, positive and negative. Sometimes I’d sub in weighted pullups or dips. No rest.

And it worked really well, from a general conditioning point of view, and I put some lean weight on as well.

I’m thinking of going back to a workout a week like that again.

But the idea is similar to what crossfit does, which is create system-wide shock for a system-wide conditioning.

I don’t hate Crossfit. I hate Crossfitters, and their elistist attitude that they can’t back up. I get tired of having 135 pound douchebags tell me how “intense” Crossfit is, and how it’s the be all, end all of athletic development. There are a number of points I want to make, so excuse the rant.

  1. Josh Everett. Yes, he is strong. Everett is an animal. That doesn’t make the rest of you Crossfit douchebags animals too, just because you do the same workouts that he does (which you don’t, by the way). It simply means that HE has put in the work and intensity to succeed. I mean really…if you ass clowns did the same workouts that Ronnie Coleman did, does that make you just like him? Does that mean you and he are now somehow the same? NO!! IT DOESN"T!!! So stop holding up one or two elite examples and trying to make the case for the rest of you skinny little pukes.

  2. So Speal can do a shit load of kipping pull-ups. WOW! That’s just awesome. Here’s the problem…go face a seven foot brick wall or wooden fence. Make sure you have forty or fifty pounds of gear on, plus a weapon. Jump up and grab the top edge of the barricade with your fingertips. Now see if that kip bullshit works. When it doesn’t, go ahead and fall to the ground, scratch your head, and say, “But Coach told me this was functional!! This should work!” Then tell the wall that it isn’t being functionally compliant. I don’t care how many kipping butterfly bullshit pull-ups anyone can do. They don’t translate to REAL pull-ups. And they are functionally worthless.

  3. The certification program is a joke. You pay Glassman a thousand dollars, and he sends a bunch of skinny nerds out to teach you how to do a clean with a med ball and how to push press PVC pipe. No test required, and POOF!!! You’re a Certified Level One. (And yes, I’ve been to one. Thank God I didn’t pay out of my own pocket.)

  4. Crossfitters seem to automatically think that they are entitled to question everything. I have TWICE witnessed on the Crossfit forum occasions where recognized Subject Matter Experts wrote essays into the journal. (This would be Dave Tate of EFS and Bill Starr, who should need no introduction.) I then witnessed a bunch of Crossfitters, who know virtually nothing in comparison to these two men, QUESTION what they were teaching, and even CRITICIZE IT!!! Where do you bunch of shit bricks get off questioning two men who are acknowledged WORLDWIDE as experts, when most of you just started training with weights in the last three years?? That’s the elitist BULLSHIT that runs rampant through the Crossfit community.

  5. And lastly…where the fuck does Glassman get off, telling people how to work out? Every other coach I have ever had the honor of learning from could walk the walk…not just talk the talk. And don’t try to use his injuries as an excuse. On Crossfit’s very own website, there are pics and videos of soldiers who are double, triple, even quadruple amputees doing some kind of modified workouts. What’s his excuse? He’s hurt worse than them? No…Glassman just likes to thing he invented the push up and circuit training, and that he’s too good to do it. He goes by the “if you can’t do, then teach” model. And that is crap.

Crossfit as a program is a decent way to workout, for skinny little “hard gainers”. CROSSFITTERS suck. At everything.

I want to add that just because someone is “beastly” who does Crossfit, doesn’t mean CF got them there. That’s the point some of its fanatics can’t grasp.

Pat Sherwood and Dave Castro, two iconic Crossfit figures, were both Navy SEALs to my knowledge. I’m pretty sure they were “fit” before taking to CF.

At least when all the CF gyms close for the next chain-gym fad, bumper plates and bars will be cheap, right?

[quote]Nicky_Boy28 wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
pf wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
conorh wrote:
Zendefone wrote:
wanting to have great strength

CrossFitters have great strength? Not just mediocre or adequate levels of strength?

Depends on who you’re talking about. The high level ones are stronger than most people you will find on Tnation. Josh Everett is stronger than most, for example.

WOW Josh Everett is strong. Please find a new example, i swear out of all the 1000’s of crossfitters out there “forging elite fitness” i only here the same 6 or 7 names being used to back your point.

There are only 6 or 7 names that are known to people. I could say Sam Johnson or any number of names of people I know, but it wouldn’t mean anything to anybody.

did they get strong doing crossfit or were they strong when they started. Has ANY crossfitter in your entourage(or that you’ve heard of) strated in cross fit being able to deadlift to squat 100lbs and then went on being able to squat 400-500 doing exclusively crossfit? really? because that’s exactly what they crossfit folks are selling.[/quote]

I’ve had several people start from barely being able to squat correctly to doing 300+ squats. So yeah, it can be done. I’m sure I could do it more easily if I focused exclusively on strength, but that isn’t what I do.

For people complaining about certain people criticizing SMEs or anything else, you’re only seeing a certain small number of the community. And that comes from everywhere, not just crossfit, in fact, in crossfit, I’ve met some of the best people I’ve ever met in my life. Same thing with MMA, I’ve seen the net nerds complain about Greg Jackson never having fought but he trains people. So-fucking-what. He does a great job with the guys he trains, the pros go to him for a reason. Internet people are generally a fucking joke. I see several complaints just on this thread that remind me how clueless some people are about what we do and why we do it and what we try to accomplish, yet run their mouth about how stupid what we do is. You know what, if you don’t like it, don’t do it!! Just that you hate it and feel compelled to write 10 paragraph posts and waste that energy bitching about what someone else does for their work out speaks nothing of crossfit and everything about YOU. And how about this, if you’re bitching this much about what other people are doing and are enjoying and getting the results they want from, then maybe (and I don’t want an answer) you need to look at yourself and think about what YOU are doing and what you are can do.

1000rippedbuff,

Let me be clear about something here. I did Crossfit for two years. I am not an outsider, nor am I ignorant of the coaching / training methods. My criticisms were of Crossfitters…not the program itself, that you are so desperatedly trying to defend. I have since moved on to what I consider to be a superior program (Military Athlete) and I am entitled to my opinion, whether you like it or not.

You are a classic example of the type of person who caused me to despise Crossfitters. You defend your system as if someone just attacked your mother, yet fail to address VALID criticisms. You then indicate that people who criticize must have something wrong with THEM, because…and let me get this straight here…they write long lists of those criticisms.

And…as is so typical of your type…you attack the ones who criticize instead of taking a good, hard look at what it is you are defending. Sorry, buddy…YOU drank the Kool-Aid…a lot of us didn’t. That actually says a lot more about YOU than it does about any of us.

Had my experiences been limitted to a few people, I doubt I would have moved on. To the contrary…the experiences I enumerated above were commonplace. Crossfit has become a watered down cult of the same “Internet people” you mention in your post. Deep down, you know that. You just don’t want to admit it to yourself.

Lastly, if I’m not mistaken, you were not the OP of this article. I was responding to his initial question when I wrote my points. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. If you want to keep doing Crossfit then go ahead…it doesn’t affect me. However, if I choose to come on here and vent my frustrations with a program that I was involved in for two years, then I am so entitled.

Sorry…I almost forgot this part. Yes, it DOES matter that Glassman can’t (or won’t) even do his own workouts. A coach who spends time under the bar (or participating in whatever it is he is coaching) is a far better resource than a coach who does not participate. Why? Because he is still actively learning. Glassman has no excuse other than sheer laziness. And I don’t want to learn from a lazy coach. Do you?

Hey, go ahead and hate me all you want dude. I was mostly talking about things in general. Trust me, it doesn’t bother me if you are so frustrated with crossfit. Go ahead, vent away if thats what you feel you need to do. Sorry you’re so bitter. My experience has been nothing like that. I’ve only met great people. Many great people who want to learn as well.

If you want I can rebutt my thoughts on your individual criticisms, if that’s what makes you feel better. Further I said nothing about whether or not Glassman does the workouts. I just made an inference to Greg Jackson… basically saying that if they can produce results, I don’t really care if they do it themselves.

Crossfit has become a religion. Religious fanatics make me hate religion. Ergo, I hate Crossfit.
If Crossfitters would realize that we don’t need/want to be preached at, then I would consider their point of view. It’s like having a scientific discussion with a creationist. No matter what evidence is provided that disproves the theory, it doesn’t matter because they heard the theory first and therefore it must be correct.

#1 reason why CF is highly maligned in the strength and conditioning world [but not the fad fitness world]:

This is coming from an ex-affiliate. Corssfit is the Amway of the fitness world. Some poeple love it and others cant stand it.

-chris

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1000rippedbuff,

Why does it matter to you so much what I, or anyone else, thinks of Crossfit or Crossfitters? I mean, seriously…you have posted too many times in this thread to say you don’t care. So, what is the problem? Why does the criticism offend you so much? If you feel the criticism is unfounded, then make a valid argument about why you feel that way. I don’t have a problem debating points with you. I’m sure we’ll both take something from the debate.

However, if you’re just going to sit here and say, “I don’t care what you think of me.”, then wouldn’t it make more sense to just not respond at all. Wouldn’t that prove that you really “don’t care”?

So far, all you have done is make vague arguments relating to “how clueless some people are about what we’re doing”. If you have a point to make, or if you want to rebutt points, then do so.

And yes, I would like to hear what you have to say regarding Glassman not participating in his own program.