Changing the weights for every single player to max out would take forever. Also, in the game of football you don’t go into contact with one opposing player one time. Seems like a safe, time effective way to test upper body strength. Maybe not the most optimal, but still a test.
Never played college ball but thats my 2 cents.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
KBC I think Junhino was joking.
well, if that’s the case, then my bad.[/quote]
Dude, it was the case. Read it again, if you are having problems understanding the joke. Don’t worry, we will all wait for you to get it.
[quote]gumba wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
I think that since the players all know they’ll be doing 225 for reps, it gives some gauge as to whether the player has worked hard or not in the weight room. And it does have some corrrelations, mostly that the guys wo can do too many reps often have problems (but arm length is a big factor).
Anyway, I read that Arnold benched
225 x 57, and 315 x 34 and he was clearly the dominant football player of our generation.
Sorry but Arnold was a great bodybuilder but 225 for 57, NO WAY! My curent trainer who is 59 and happened to go to a few gyms back in the day said on a good day 315 maybe for a triple[/quote]
Well that’s even less likely. I’ve seen him on tape doing 425 for at least 6.
FREAK OF NATURE STORY!!!
Just for the hell of it, I figured I would relay this. I had a guy at one of the D1’s I was at that could do 58, yes 58, reps in this test. RIDICULOUS! His max was around 600 raw and here is where everyone calls me a liar, bullshit, no way, etc.- he was only 5’8" and about 210 at the time!
He could do this the day he got there from JUCO and our head strength coach just let him do whatever he wanted.
Funny story- my first day on the job, he comes in and asks me to spot him. I walk into the other room and he has 505 on the bar. So not wanting to look like a pussy, I walk over like it’s nothing although I have full knowledge that if he gets stuck there is no way I can upright row 505 off him. He would die right there. He nails five reps and I am wondering what planet they got this guy from.
He was judged to be too small for the NFL and didn’t even get an invite to the combine. I tried my ass off to get him to enter a powerlifting contest but never could. He just didn’t care about that stuff. He was a football player and not a weightlifter he would say! I could have killed him for it, but he was a great guy otherwise.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
You guys can keep your Barry Sanders. I’m 40+ and the best running back of my era was ,without doubt, #34 Walter Payton.
Except for 2 or 3 yrs., heplayed on terible teams. he always moved forward and NEVER went out of bounds. Now that was a T-Man.
RIP sir Walter.[/quote]
Over the course of a full career- amen! He was the complete package. Dickerson was a better pure runner, but that was it. He didn’t catch or create at all. Sweetness had it all.
But in terms of pure talent, nobody and I mean nobody comes close to Bo Jackson. I saw him in person in high school, college, and pro. I met him on two occassions and it still freaks me out that he was as big as he was and that fast. They claim 6’1" but he was taller than me and I am almost 6’3". 4.14/ 40 at around 225 pounds. INSANE!
[quote]titanium350 wrote:
FREAK OF NATURE STORY!!!
Just for the hell of it, I figured I would relay this. I had a guy at one of the D1’s I was at that could do 58, yes 58, reps in this test. RIDICULOUS! His max was around 600 raw and here is where everyone calls me a liar, bullshit, no way, etc.- he was only 5’8" and about 210 at the time!
He could do this the day he got there from JUCO and our head strength coach just let him do whatever he wanted.
Funny story- my first day on the job, he comes in and asks me to spot him. I walk into the other room and he has 505 on the bar. So not wanting to look like a pussy, I walk over like it’s nothing although I have full knowledge that if he gets stuck there is no way I can upright row 505 off him. He would die right there. He nails five reps and I am wondering what planet they got this guy from.
He was judged to be too small for the NFL and didn’t even get an invite to the combine. I tried my ass off to get him to enter a powerlifting contest but never could. He just didn’t care about that stuff. He was a football player and not a weightlifter he would say! I could have killed him for it, but he was a great guy otherwise.
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RE: no combine invite… WHAT?!
what could he have done to not be “too small?” gain weight? how much do you suspect? surely he’s tall enough cuz there’ve been 5’8" guys in the NFL.
great story, btw. except the part where he didn’t do what it took to get into the NFL. did he just give up?
RE: no combine invite… WHAT?!
what could he have done to not be “too small?” gain weight? how much do you suspect? surely he’s tall enough cuz there’ve been 5’8" guys in the NFL.
great story, btw. except the part where he didn’t do what it took to get into the NFL. did he just give up?[/quote]
We were a third year DI and only a few guys were being looked at. He went to a bunch of tryouts and indy combines but he wasn’t the fastest guy (4.7) and they were looking for him to either weigh more or be quicker. This was when they all wanted another Moose Johnston. His hands were good, but he was too short to really get open. All this being said, I think he could have at least played CFL, AFL, World League. He did have a stint in the AFL2 but he kept getting cut because he couldn’t play defense (remember they go both ways). So he just sort of got stuck.
It really sucks, but most of the time, they aren’t looking for guys who can play, but rather guys who look like they can play. It is a testament to the silly nature of those evaluations.
Side note: He was also a, get this, 60’ shot putter at 5’8". Let that sink in. He was a full foot shorter than the guy who beat him at conference our last year (I was a GA and had eligibilty left) and that guy was only going 61-62’.
ti,
wow, really seems like he had something he could’ve done more with if that’s what he wanted. of course, i think everybody does to a certain extent.
do you have any idea what kind of benching and upper body work he did. i assume he was just the kinda guy who did it a lot and kept adding weight, not really knowing any different (sometimes a good thing), though.
I went so far as to secretly write down what he did and found that there was simply no formal process to what he did. He would come in two or three days a week and do fives until he got up to around 500. His form was beautiful and his body was just God sent to bench press. Thick chest, short arms, huge lats.
Another funny story, a kid at one of our camps asked him how he got so strong and he replied, “I don’t know, I just lift weights and eat raw eggs like Rocky.” I shit you not. I will even admit to, in my desperation to tap in to that hidden strength ala the Hulk, trying the raw egg thing. If you are wondering how it worked, my bench topped out at 405 raw at a body weight of 295. So much fo raw eggs.
Ti
Ti,
how close to failure did he go?