Why 2015 Will Ramp Up the Revival of Boxing

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[quote]IronMaiden144 wrote:
It’s actually happening holy shit!

I really hope Manny wins…but I don’t think i’d be betting any money on it. You can hate Floyd the person (I do!), and you can dislike his style (can make for “boring” fights), but you’d be an idiot to deny his skill. My initial thoughts are that unless Manny can put Floyd on the canvas in the first half of the fight that Mayweather will win the UD. MAYBE if he can knock down Floyd he will abandon his game plan and make some mistakes.

I didn’t see anywhere what the weight for the fight is? After this, Manny should go back down a weight class, since the jump to Welterweight he just hasn’t gotten the knockouts.[/quote]

My understanding is that the fight will be at 147

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Manny has to fight him he wont win a popularity contest. Judges will give Floyd benefit of a doubt every time its close. Manny wins with pressure, body work slowing Floyd down and dropping him with a huge 2-3 combo flush upstairs.

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I fucking called it!!! Lol. Look at the title!!!

BOXING IS BACK

So punped for ggg tonight.

Any one fancy Paul smith tonight?

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It’s floyd UD all day.

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Floyd UD.

I think this is going to be much worse for Pac than people think…

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So you think the guy that is considered at worst 2nd best of his era by almost every analyst and ex fighter is that far behind? Or are you thinking its just a styles thing

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19ko for ggg. We’ll talk about him a lot in the future. But gotta say. Martin Murray gave one hell an effort. Tough tough guy

Good stoppage. But I think Murray could have gone 12 if he had to . Never gonna give up.in 3 world title fights he’s gave a superb account of himself.

So…gotta be quillin or no1 for ggg at 160.

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Anyone give cotto a chance? I definitely think it’s more interesting at 154. Golovkin going to 168 doesn’t seem to hold much appeal for me. (Ward is too too good and 8lbs is a lot)

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Another problem with Boxing is that their is too many divisions that no one really cares about.

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[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Another problem with Boxing is that their is too many divisions that no one really cares about.[/quote]

Right…and should guys at these weights just take up another profession? Not sure how it’s kilimg boxing?

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how is boxing going to bring in the new fan base if they have no idea why some guys can fight in three divisions with about 12-15 pounds separating them? I think the gaps should be widen, but I understand why lower weight classes exist. Just no real superstars below 140

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[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
So you think the guy that is considered at worst 2nd best of his era by almost every analyst and ex fighter is that far behind? Or are you thinking its just a styles thing
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Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is a great boxer.

Manny looks good against guys that come right at him and want to bang, but looks AWFUL against smart counterpunchers (like Marquez), to the point where he gets KO’d. Floyd looks good against most everyone he’s ever fought, and even during times he hasn’t, he’s still won.

This fight is Duran - Leonard all over again. If Floyd stands and bangs, either out of pride or necessity because of age, Manny can win. If Floyd moves and boxes, Manny will never get the chance to do anything more than win a couple rounds.

In all honestly, I believe that Floyd will move and box, and this is going to lead to a devastating amount of lead right hands that Pac walks into. I don’t think it will be that close.

So yea, you might say that I think they’re just that far apart. Floyd is far from the best ever, but he’s in my top 50 list. Pac… not so much.

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I understand where you’re coming from with the counter puncher statement, but I don’t think Manny’s hand speed is being taken serious. Even if he is predictable with his 1-1-2 approach still have to stop it. Floyd has to deal with the constant pressure that Manny will bring, Which I think Floyd can do until he gets tagged a few times and gets embarrassed and starts to stand and bang. I’m gonna break down and pay what ever ungodly amount for this PPV, but I really think the fact it took so long to get it done hurts the quality of the fight. Hope I’m wrong

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at the risk of starting an argument, im going on a hw rant.

how is wlad p4p no.2? guys technically average. hes got a good 1-2. even then he needed to develop his jab to protect his glass jaw.

why does he even talked about with past fighters? what is his signature win? david haye? prime for prime i think hed be stopped in less than 6 rounds by vitali.

all i see now is pictures of him and his next opponent cuddling at the press conference.

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[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
at the risk of starting an argument, im going on a hw rant.

how is wlad p4p no.2? guys technically average. hes got a good 1-2. even then he needed to develop his jab to protect his glass jaw.

why does he even talked about with past fighters? what is his signature win? david haye? prime for prime i think hed be stopped in less than 6 rounds by vitali.

all i see now is pictures of him and his next opponent cuddling at the press conference. [/quote]

The heavyweights have been dead to me for some time. Wlad’s a good fighter, but there’s no competition in that division, and even one good fighter from days past would take the title from him.

Vitali was the last interesting person in that division to me. Him and Lennox. But i really don’t like heavys … too slow, not enough punches, utterly boring.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
So you think the guy that is considered at worst 2nd best of his era by almost every analyst and ex fighter is that far behind? Or are you thinking its just a styles thing
[/quote]

Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is a great boxer.

Manny looks good against guys that come right at him and want to bang, but looks AWFUL against smart counterpunchers (like Marquez), to the point where he gets KO’d. Floyd looks good against most everyone he’s ever fought, and even during times he hasn’t, he’s still won.

This fight is Duran - Leonard all over again. If Floyd stands and bangs, either out of pride or necessity because of age, Manny can win. If Floyd moves and boxes, Manny will never get the chance to do anything more than win a couple rounds.

In all honestly, I believe that Floyd will move and box, and this is going to lead to a devastating amount of lead right hands that Pac walks into. I don’t think it will be that close.

So yea, you might say that I think they’re just that far apart. Floyd is far from the best ever, but he’s in my top 50 list. Pac… not so much.[/quote]

Not to derail the thread, but where do you put Mayweather against Whitaker? This is a question for anyone who feels like answering.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
So you think the guy that is considered at worst 2nd best of his era by almost every analyst and ex fighter is that far behind? Or are you thinking its just a styles thing
[/quote]

Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is a great boxer.

Manny looks good against guys that come right at him and want to bang, but looks AWFUL against smart counterpunchers (like Marquez), to the point where he gets KO’d. Floyd looks good against most everyone he’s ever fought, and even during times he hasn’t, he’s still won.

This fight is Duran - Leonard all over again. If Floyd stands and bangs, either out of pride or necessity because of age, Manny can win. If Floyd moves and boxes, Manny will never get the chance to do anything more than win a couple rounds.

In all honestly, I believe that Floyd will move and box, and this is going to lead to a devastating amount of lead right hands that Pac walks into. I don’t think it will be that close.

So yea, you might say that I think they’re just that far apart. Floyd is far from the best ever, but he’s in my top 50 list. Pac… not so much.[/quote]

Not to derail the thread, but where do you put Mayweather against Whitaker? This is a question for anyone who feels like answering. [/quote]

I think Sweet Pea was better, but not by much. It’s tough to call - Sweet Pea had better head movement and moved faster - the guy just NEVER got hit - but offensively, when Mayweather wants to step on the gas, he can really hurt people … and Whitaker never really had much power. But Whitaker also fought a young DLH and Chavez, so one might argue that his competition was stronger - Mayweather has gone through several-fight-long stretches of not taking ANY risks, either with who he is fighting or how he is fighting them, so fair comparisons are hard to find.

I haven’t watched a lot of Whitaker’s fights, though, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

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That’s it. Floyd has power. It’s just he’s so concerned with his 0 that he fights conservative. If he lost to whoever. Then It
Could add to his legacy because he might be more aggressive in future fights.

Oh. And there are uk jurnoulists saying ggg would be favoured against floyd and pac at 154. facepalm

Christ. I hope when deontay wilder hits causal fans in the uk they don’t start pointing out they think he could take mayweather unbeaten record.

These guys are clueless. Most don’t realise when mayweather “fights” at 154 that at for his opponent. Against canelo fight night he was 149 ffs

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Wlad got a great left hand, his attack isn’t simple as much as it is technical. why throw 8-12 punches if throw 1-3 jabs and a hook keeps every one away? I think Wlad would beat Vitali just by being more athletic. He doesn’t have the chin Vitali does. If Wlad had better competition MAYBE he would be forced to fight with 100% effort instead of costing by on natural ability

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
So you think the guy that is considered at worst 2nd best of his era by almost every analyst and ex fighter is that far behind? Or are you thinking its just a styles thing
[/quote]

Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is a great boxer.

Manny looks good against guys that come right at him and want to bang, but looks AWFUL against smart counterpunchers (like Marquez), to the point where he gets KO’d. Floyd looks good against most everyone he’s ever fought, and even during times he hasn’t, he’s still won.

This fight is Duran - Leonard all over again. If Floyd stands and bangs, either out of pride or necessity because of age, Manny can win. If Floyd moves and boxes, Manny will never get the chance to do anything more than win a couple rounds.

In all honestly, I believe that Floyd will move and box, and this is going to lead to a devastating amount of lead right hands that Pac walks into. I don’t think it will be that close.

So yea, you might say that I think they’re just that far apart. Floyd is far from the best ever, but he’s in my top 50 list. Pac… not so much.[/quote]

Not to derail the thread, but where do you put Mayweather against Whitaker? This is a question for anyone who feels like answering. [/quote]

I put mayweather ahead of Sweet Pea.

Sweet pea had harder competition overall, but that’s looking back retrospectively. Personally I think people tend to underrate current fighters.

I think overall Floyd is better. And the thing is, Sweet got to a point in his career where he stopped progressing and sort of cruised at that same level. Mayweather seems to have gotten BETTER with age.

He doesn’t bang like he did when he was a kid, but having broken your hands several times will probably do that to you. Everything else though, has matured like fine wine.

Sweet pea is far more entertaining to watch though.