Why 2015 Will Ramp Up the Revival of Boxing

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
So you think the guy that is considered at worst 2nd best of his era by almost every analyst and ex fighter is that far behind? Or are you thinking its just a styles thing
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Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is a great boxer.

Manny looks good against guys that come right at him and want to bang, but looks AWFUL against smart counterpunchers (like Marquez), to the point where he gets KO’d. Floyd looks good against most everyone he’s ever fought, and even during times he hasn’t, he’s still won.

This fight is Duran - Leonard all over again. If Floyd stands and bangs, either out of pride or necessity because of age, Manny can win. If Floyd moves and boxes, Manny will never get the chance to do anything more than win a couple rounds.

In all honestly, I believe that Floyd will move and box, and this is going to lead to a devastating amount of lead right hands that Pac walks into. I don’t think it will be that close.

So yea, you might say that I think they’re just that far apart. Floyd is far from the best ever, but he’s in my top 50 list. Pac… not so much.[/quote]

Not to derail the thread, but where do you put Mayweather against Whitaker? This is a question for anyone who feels like answering. [/quote]

I think Sweet Pea was better, but not by much. It’s tough to call - Sweet Pea had better head movement and moved faster - the guy just NEVER got hit - but offensively, when Mayweather wants to step on the gas, he can really hurt people … and Whitaker never really had much power. But Whitaker also fought a young DLH and Chavez, so one might argue that his competition was stronger - Mayweather has gone through several-fight-long stretches of not taking ANY risks, either with who he is fighting or how he is fighting them, so fair comparisons are hard to find.

I haven’t watched a lot of Whitaker’s fights, though, so take what I say with a grain of salt. [/quote]

Check out the head movement of Whitaker vs Dela Hoya at 25:05 at regualar speed and 25:54 in slo mo. DeLa Hoya tries to sell it at the end of the round.

Big Pac fan and Mayweather fan, who I’ve watched the later since his Olympic days.
Got Mayweather by decision. Defense and precise right hand will be too much for Pac.

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[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Wlad got a great left hand, his attack isn’t simple as much as it is technical. why throw 8-12 punches if throw 1-3 jabs and a hook keeps every one away? I think Wlad would beat Vitali just by being more athletic. He doesn’t have the chin Vitali does. If Wlad had better competition MAYBE he would be forced to fight with 100% effort instead of costing by on natural ability
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being more athletic? vitali never struggled with 12 rounds. vitali fucking destorys him. its not even close. look at the shots he lands on (an old and past it) lennox lewis. those would have fucking destroyed wlad. and he cant jab him away all night like he does other 6’3 fighters. vitalis got height. and 100x the chin.

seriously. who is the best fighter wlad has beat?

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sorry to give him such a hard time. you can only beat who is there in the last 10 years. and hes a great guy. really is. great advocate for boxing and sport, really classy guy. but his cv isnt worthy of talking about wiht past fighters. and he doesnt do enough against the level of opposition - (pulev aside, that, granted was a good display, best ever maybe).

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Provodnikov vs Matthysee is a done deal! Instant fight of the year candidate. Way more interesting than May vs Pac.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
Provodnikov vs Matthysee is a done deal! Instant fight of the year candidate. Way more interesting than May vs Pac.[/quote]
Agreed.

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better fight at this point but it will not come anywhere near Floyd VS Pac in terms of buys and impact on “all-time” great status’

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[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
better fight at this point but it will not come anywhere near Floyd VS Pac in terms of buys and impact on “all-time” great status’
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I understand your logic, but in keeping with the theme of the thread, I have a couple of points I must raise.

THINGS WE KNOW;
Mayweather vs. Pacquiao will be the biggest PPV ever.
This is THE marquee fight, perhaps the most significant since SRL vs. Hagler.
Huge amounts of revenue will be generated.

THINGS WE ALSO KNOW;
The fight will be supported by a top class under card.
The pageantry and presentation will be the most extravagant we have ever seen.
The revenue will not be distributed around the sport. It will be lodged firmly into Camp Pacquiao and Camp Mayweather.

WHAT WE DON’T KNOW:
If the fight will be any good.

Mayweather vs. Pacquiao pitches a defensive orthodox fighter against a hyper aggressive southpaw. With the history of mirrored stances proving hugely problematic in terms of difficult refereeing, accidental injury and lack of chemistry between the fighters we have definite scope for controversy.
In anticipating a huge build up, one has to contemplate the possibility of disappointment. A “safety first” fighter, Mayweather is unlikely to change tact now in the most important fight of his career. In fact, it is likely that he will try to negate action as much as possible and attack conservatively at opportune moments.
Pacquiao will obviously try to disrupt Mayweather and impose his pace upon him.

It could be a great fight, but in light of all the hype, media coverage and the weight of expectation, we are also likely to see ourselves sorely disappointed.

This is why Matthysse vs. Providnikov is important.
A fight of this magnitude could provide all the thrills and spills of Gatti vs. Ward.
It might not tell us who the greatest fighter is, but it could well be the greatest fight of the year and a fight that will attract fans, long after the hype for May 2nd becomes a faded memory.

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[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:

[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
better fight at this point but it will not come anywhere near Floyd VS Pac in terms of buys and impact on “all-time” great status’
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I understand your logic, but in keeping with the theme of the thread, I have a couple of points I must raise.

THINGS WE KNOW;
Mayweather vs. Pacquiao will be the biggest PPV ever.
This is THE marquee fight, perhaps the most significant since SRL vs. Hagler.
Huge amounts of revenue will be generated.

THINGS WE ALSO KNOW;
The fight will be supported by a top class under card.
The pageantry and presentation will be the most extravagant we have ever seen.
The revenue will not be distributed around the sport. It will be lodged firmly into Camp Pacquiao and Camp Mayweather.

WHAT WE DON’T KNOW:
If the fight will be any good.

Mayweather vs. Pacquiao pitches a defensive orthodox fighter against a hyper aggressive southpaw. With the history of mirrored stances proving hugely problematic in terms of difficult refereeing, accidental injury and lack of chemistry between the fighters we have definite scope for controversy.
In anticipating a huge build up, one has to contemplate the possibility of disappointment. A “safety first” fighter, Mayweather is unlikely to change tact now in the most important fight of his career. In fact, it is likely that he will try to negate action as much as possible and attack conservatively at opportune moments.
Pacquiao will obviously try to disrupt Mayweather and impose his pace upon him.

It could be a great fight, but in light of all the hype, media coverage and the weight of expectation, we are also likely to see ourselves sorely disappointed.

This is why Matthysse vs. Providnikov is important.
A fight of this magnitude could provide all the thrills and spills of Gatti vs. Ward.
It might not tell us who the greatest fighter is, but it could well be the greatest fight of the year and a fight that will attract fans, long after the hype for May 2nd becomes a faded memory.

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Exactly.

At this moment, boxing is in a spot that I did not believe I would ever see it in: on the cusp of massive breakthrough that thrusts it back to the forefront of the sporting world’s collective consciousness.

It’s due to a combination of factors, but to be frank, Haymon’s deals with CBS and NBC have much more to do with it than Mayweather-Pacquaio, which will, as Donny said, come and go. A series of fights on major networks in big-time slots, however, is much, MUCH bigger.

So it’s more the confluence of events - a good Mayweather-Pacquaio fight, boxing returning to major television slots, and a Ward-Gatti-esque match between two great (but unkown to the general public) fighters - that could bring the sport back to life. It’s not dependent on any one thing.

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I’m sure the co-main has to carry the card just in case, but I think a lot of people wont really pay fine detail to Floyd-Pac just in sheer shock that it’s happening.

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Mayweather pac has the potential to be the biggest sporting event ever. Considering it’s 2 guys fighting. Well that’s unbelievable.

The World Cup final (football) for instance is 2 entire countries (Germany Argentina last year) it’s dozens of footballers.
The Super Bowl isolates Europe etc.

This is 2 fucking guys. Who each have single handedly built this.

Manny is a remarkable person. Great great guy. Floyd has many detestable traits.

I can’t help but support the bad guy though. I just want him to put on a Show and finally show what he’s truly capable of. People may disagree and it’s just my opinion. But because he’s never been a truly close fight (bar Castillo which he easily corrected) we’ve only seen 80/90% of what he’s capable of. I.e. How much he got up for the fight against canelo vs an average guerrero

I love a knockout as much as most, but pacs style has never excited me. I rather see a ward, floyd, Marquez. This ain’t any snobbery. Just my preference.

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I dunno, I guess it’s the way I am, I think I’m the only person who watched the rocky films and hated them lol.

It’s like, for ffs, put your gloves up. When’s this referee gonna step in.

Anyone going from the Ricky films to an actual fight is just gonna feel
Massively let down lol.

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[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
I dunno, I guess it’s the way I am, I think I’m the only person who watched the rocky films and hated them lol.
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COMMUNIST!

KILL HIM! KILL HIM!

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Rocky 1-3 are universally great, 4 was hit-miss with people 5 was awful and so was Balboa

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Mainstream boxing back on NBC. It was a pretty good production overall IMO. The Broner-Molina fight was a dud, Broner proved to be way too fast for John Jr. Lots of booing from the crowd. The main event saved the day thanks to a gutty effort by The Ghost. I can’t wait to see Thurman fight again, he is a very exciting fighter and it will be interesting to watch and see how high his ceiling can be.

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Fuck it. I’m just gonna say it. Molina was paid to take a dive. No way that’s the same guy who thought Lucas.

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Ah!!! If fucking hate broner.

I hate him! I hate him! I hate him!

I fucking hate him.

Did I mention that I fucking hate him.

He’s hust a monumental *****

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Has anyone seen the fighter? Man that Sucks. I need to give up on boxing films.

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[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
Has anyone seen the fighter? Man that Sucks. I need to give up on boxing films. [/quote]

???

I fucking LOVE that movie!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
Has anyone seen the fighter? Man that Sucks. I need to give up on boxing films. [/quote]

???

I fucking LOVE that movie![/quote]
I love that movie also.

Some might argue the boxing choreography wasn’t as slick as it could’ve been.

But come on… it was MICKY WARD! It didn’t need to be slick!

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[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
Has anyone seen the fighter? Man that Sucks. I need to give up on boxing films. [/quote]

???

I fucking LOVE that movie![/quote]
I love that movie also.

Some might argue the boxing choreography wasn’t as slick as it could’ve been.

But come on… it was MICKY WARD! It didn’t need to be slick![/quote]

Yep. And Amy Adams is hot as shit.

Also, I hear Marky Mark is a pretty good boxer in his own rite. I was hoping for better boxing scenes as a result, but you take what you can get.

Christian Bale as Dickie was fucking legendary.