[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Yep. I’m tired of hearing all that bullshit. When the fight is signed and they’re on the press tour, then I’ll let myself believe it. Until then, this is all garbage.
I really am just looking forward to Floyd retiring at this point. [/quote]
Both fighters are just hanging on to the limelight preventing younger fighters from taking the mantle as the biggest draw in the sport.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Agreed. I fucking LOVE GGG and this dude is a superstar in the making… [/quote]
GGG’s fantastic; sinister punching power, good speed, a disregard for punishment coming his way and a warm personality. Ideal.
I can definitely see him vs. Canelo making mega-bucks in the future.
For that matter; N’Damm and Lemieux is a great fight too.
[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Is no one even mentioning the fact that Pac man signed the fight contract for Mayweather?
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At this point nothing will be significant until they’re in the ring facing one another.[/quote]
Still barely means much, pacquiao had a bad year and appears to be significantly less than what he used to be. While both star personalities, it’s like watching a not as bad version of Hopkins and RJJ 2.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Is no one even mentioning the fact that Pac man signed the fight contract for Mayweather?
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At this point nothing will be significant until they’re in the ring facing one another.[/quote]
Still barely means much, pacquiao had a bad year and appears to be significantly less than what he used to be. While both star personalities, it’s like watching a not as bad version of Hopkins and RJJ 2. [/quote]
Nahhh they’re not that bad.
I mean, Pac beat Bradley convincingly last year, and Mayweather SMOKED Alvarez and Maidana in the rematch. So they’re both still at the top of the sport (especially Mayweather).
But they have, of course, slowed down, and that’s certainly going to impact how the fight is fought. I tend to think that age helps Pac more than Mayweather - Mayweather can’t move and jab like he used to, so if he gets in trouble, he’s going to have a much more difficult time dealing with it.
If this fight happened five years ago, Mayweather would have won a 7-5 or 8-4 decision, easy.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Is no one even mentioning the fact that Pac man signed the fight contract for Mayweather?
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At this point nothing will be significant until they’re in the ring facing one another.[/quote]
Still barely means much, pacquiao had a bad year and appears to be significantly less than what he used to be. While both star personalities, it’s like watching a not as bad version of Hopkins and RJJ 2. [/quote]
Nahhh they’re not that bad.
I mean, Pac beat Bradley convincingly last year, and Mayweather SMOKED Alvarez and Maidana in the rematch. So they’re both still at the top of the sport (especially Mayweather).
But they have, of course, slowed down, and that’s certainly going to impact how the fight is fought. I tend to think that age helps Pac more than Mayweather - Mayweather can’t move and jab like he used to, so if he gets in trouble, he’s going to have a much more difficult time dealing with it.
If this fight happened five years ago, Mayweather would have won a 7-5 or 8-4 decision, easy. [/quote]
total opposite i think age helps Mayweather who already didn’t need any help. Pac’s style is very active, and moves more of his whole body when sticking and moving. In his prime he could take almost 3 steps into an opponent and land a hook before the other could get one punch off. No way that’s happening now and on Mayweather. He’s also taken more damage that piles up with age.
I’m not sure that Floyd wind 7-5 or 8-4 I think Manny’s foot work is closer to Moneys than you people think even 4-5 years ago. Punching power will be the one thing that hasn’t dropped off at all and seeing Madaina (sorry I spelled it wrong) touch Floyd up with pressure and body work I don’t doubt Floyd can take it early, but he will slow down fast and drop his hands for a Manny hook cross combo that puts him to sleep
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
I’m not sure that Floyd wind 7-5 or 8-4 I think Manny’s foot work is closer to Moneys than you people think even 4-5 years ago. Punching power will be the one thing that hasn’t dropped off at all and seeing Madaina (sorry I spelled it wrong) touch Floyd up with pressure and body work I don’t doubt Floyd can take it early, but he will slow down fast and drop his hands for a Manny hook cross combo that puts him to sleep[/quote]
Well … you’re wrong. I don’t really know what to tell you. Manny does poorly against smart counterpunchers - i.e., Marquez, who I had winning outright 3 of their 4 fights. He doesn’t really know how to control range, he leaps in with the same exact combos over and over (1-1-2 especially), and he looks good against guys who like to fight because he’s fast and strong. But as far as boxing IQ, he’s lacking compared to guys like Marquez and Mayweather.
Also, let’s be real - Floyd Mayweather has never, NEVER slowed down or faded down the stretch. If anything, he takes over the fight more as it goes on because he gets a handle on things, controls the range, and slows the pace of the fight. Also, Mayeather has never even been put on the canvas, and you’re saying he’ll get put to sleep? C’mon. That’s just silly.
The “situation” you described is a fantasy indulged in only by those who lack a true understanding of the sport.
Just to be clear, I would LOVE if Manny won - love it - because I hate Mayweather the man. But Manny will not win. And, if Mayweather hasn’t slowed down, it won’t be all that close either
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
total opposite i think age helps Mayweather who already didn’t need any help. Pac’s style is very active, and moves more of his whole body when sticking and moving. In his prime he could take almost 3 steps into an opponent and land a hook before the other could get one punch off. No way that’s happening now and on Mayweather. He’s also taken more damage that piles up with age.
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Very interesting. I do hope we get to find out who is right.
I think weve seen how good pac is.
I don’t think well ever see what mayweather was capable of.
the opposition isn’t there. it would have been good if he had a loss on his record. I think It would have maybe enticed him into moving up weights. I no hes a small 147 tho. against canelo he weight 149 on fight night I heard. lighter than the scale.
he looked ordinary against guerrero - hes human after all - but against canelo it was one of his finest performances. floyds got a great mentality, but again, hes human and its difficult to get up for a fight like guerrero.
hes never the tbe in my eyes. but I think weve seen 80% of what hes capable of. I mean, can any1 name a fight (bar Oscar which I had him winning clearly, and costillo I) that’s been competitive?
Floyd is the better tactical fighter but I watched a fighter who isn’t in the same league as Pac man (Maidana) hit Floyd over and over in the first fight. Sure, Floyd can bob and weave better than anyone but I don’t think he’s ever seen a guy who has the hand speed and power like Manny and Roach would make up for the short comings between them. I might be wrong but I think this is the one fight that will bring the best Manny that has ever been in a ring.
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Floyd is the better tactical fighter but I watched a fighter who isn’t in the same league as Pac man (Maidana) hit Floyd over and over in the first fight. Sure, Floyd can bob and weave better than anyone but I don’t think he’s ever seen a guy who has the hand speed and power like Manny and Roach would make up for the short comings between them. I might be wrong but I think this is the one fight that will bring the best Manny that has ever been in a ring.[/quote]
Well … yea. You’re wrong. If Manny win, it will only be because Floyd aged. That being said, again, I hope Manny wins.
The same Floyd that looked bad against an old and lethargic Oscar?
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
Floyd is the better tactical fighter but I watched a fighter who isn’t in the same league as Pac man (Maidana) hit Floyd over and over in the first fight. Sure, Floyd can bob and weave better than anyone but I don’t think he’s ever seen a guy who has the hand speed and power like Manny and Roach would make up for the short comings between them. I might be wrong but I think this is the one fight that will bring the best Manny that has ever been in a ring.[/quote]
Tactical? He’s the clearly better technical boxer. It’s irrefutable. He stayed on the ropes intentionally in the first fight. Go back and read his interviews. He said beforehand he would. Speed wise manny is a new challenge. But he’s fced bigger hitters.
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
I’m not sure that Floyd wind 7-5 or 8-4 I think Manny’s foot work is closer to Moneys than you people think even 4-5 years ago. Punching power will be the one thing that hasn’t dropped off at all and seeing Madaina (sorry I spelled it wrong) touch Floyd up with pressure and body work I don’t doubt Floyd can take it early, but he will slow down fast and drop his hands for a Manny hook cross combo that puts him to sleep[/quote]
That simple? Christ. Best fighter of his generation and a hook cross puts him to sleep? Floyd slowing down fast? When has that ever happened? Drop his hands? What? Floyd isn’t the tbe but he’s the poster boy, the número uno of " hitting and not get hit" mentality. He’s taken less shots in his career than others have jn single fights.
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
The same Floyd that looked bad against an old and lethargic Oscar?[/quote]
This has to be a trolling.
[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
I’m not sure that Floyd wind 7-5 or 8-4 I think Manny’s foot work is closer to Moneys than you people think even 4-5 years ago. Punching power will be the one thing that hasn’t dropped off at all and seeing Madaina (sorry I spelled it wrong) touch Floyd up with pressure and body work I don’t doubt Floyd can take it early, but he will slow down fast and drop his hands for a Manny hook cross combo that puts him to sleep[/quote]
That simple? Christ. Best fighter of his generation and a hook cross puts him to sleep? Floyd slowing down fast? When has that ever happened? Drop his hands? What? Floyd isn’t the tbe but he’s the poster boy, the nÃ?ºmero uno of " hitting and not get hit" mentality. He’s taken less shots in his career than others have jn single fights. [/quote]
Yea … like I said, gotta be a troll. Statements don’t compute for someone with even a moderate knowledge of boxing.
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
The same Floyd that looked bad against an old and lethargic Oscar?[/quote]
First, Oscar was a superb fighter. Old yes. But 100% up for the fight. Floyd looked bad? He won clearly got me. Look at the stats. He landed far more.
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Oscar_De_La_Hoya_vs._Floyd_Mayweather_Jr.
Not that you (or I tbf) would. But if you watched the fight on mute, look
How many Oscar actually lands on the ropes. They’re all blocked. I’ve never scored a fight on “work rate”
work rate wins all the time how many fights have you seen when a guy wins just by being more active? The Zab Judah fight he lost and was gifted a decision
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
work rate wins all the time how many fights have you seen when a guy wins just by being more active? The Zab Judah fight he lost and was gifted a decision
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Ha. Good job man. Took me a week to catch on.
Floyd and Manny have signed for May 2nd
It’s actually happening holy shit!
I really hope Manny wins…but I don’t think i’d be betting any money on it. You can hate Floyd the person (I do!), and you can dislike his style (can make for “boring” fights), but you’d be an idiot to deny his skill. My initial thoughts are that unless Manny can put Floyd on the canvas in the first half of the fight that Mayweather will win the UD. MAYBE if he can knock down Floyd he will abandon his game plan and make some mistakes.
I didn’t see anywhere what the weight for the fight is? After this, Manny should go back down a weight class, since the jump to Welterweight he just hasn’t gotten the knockouts.