Any early predictions for Tyson Fury versus Klitschko? I’m a bit biased in favour of the Brit but I’ve always tipped him to be a world champion. IMO, he’s got the gloss now and is a different fighter to what he was earlier in his career. By that, I mean he has developed a clinical jab, maximising on the natural reach advantage he has. Further, he has now got a great boxing brain, is able to switch from orthodox to south paw, and should generally be able to deal with a negative spoiler. The bookies will still have Klitschko favourite, which is only right, but I reckon it’s even money worst case scenario for Fury.
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
Any early predictions for Tyson Fury versus Klitschko? I’m a bit biased in favour of the Brit but I’ve always tipped him to be a world champion. IMO, he’s got the gloss now and is a different fighter to what he was earlier in his career. By that, I mean he has developed a clinical jab, maximising on the natural reach advantage he has. Further, he has now got a great boxing brain, is able to switch from orthodox to south paw, and should generally be able to deal with a negative spoiler. The bookies will still have Klitschko favourite, which is only right, but I reckon it’s even money worst case scenario for Fury.[/quote]
i hope fury wins and think he has a chance.
however, the extremely poor condition he started camp in is simply unacceptable at this level and could easily negatively impact his chances.
Very true. His addiction to junk food suggests some real psychological issues. That aside, if he can put that part of his personality to use in the gym he could be phenomenal.
Vlad has the advantage in experience, boxing skill, conditioning and power. Fury has the advantage of youth, height and reach. Both guys have questionable chins, but Vlad has developed a very conservative style that doesn’t often put him at risk. I have to admit I barely watch heavyweight boxing nowadays, so my opinion isn’t based on much. The last time I saw Fury fight, he looked god awful and got dropped against Cunningham. I would be absolutely shocked if he beat Vlad, but maybe he’s vastly improved since then or maybe the years have caught up to Klitschko. At least this fight has me interested enough that I will actually watch it.
This thread is back!
i had dirrel beating degale - he was too inactive in the later rounds. i think i could have seen a draw. but in a rematch i think dirrel wins it. i think dirrel could still be a p4p 10. hes just so slick
anyone think andy lee was unlucky against quilen? i thought he won by 2 rounds. hes really turned his career around.
i think wlad wins this. but, and its a big but, i think fury will give it 100%. and i mean 100%. if hes down on the scorecards in the later rounds hell get knocked out trying to ko wlad if necessary. honestly i no it sounds silly, but ive never been so confident a figher is prepared to die in the ring.
[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
i think wlad wins this. but, and its a big but, i think fury will give it 100%. and i mean 100%. if hes down on the scorecards in the later rounds hell get knocked out trying to ko wlad if necessary. honestly i no it sounds silly, but ive never been so confident a figher is prepared to die in the ring. [/quote]
I want to believe that version of Fury will turn up and show the division what it has been missing for so long. However, I will be honest, I had a similar level of optimism when David Haye took on his brother. Couldn’t believe that was such a non-event. Come on Tyson!
“When it was all said and done, Santa Cruz threw 1,057 punches while Mares wasn’t far behind with 980. That’s 2,037 punches combined”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. I did not have the opportunity to watch this fight, but, if that punch count is accurate, it must have been a fast paced scrap. Amazing conditioning from both fighters.
[quote]idaho wrote:
“When it was all said and done, Santa Cruz threw 1,057 punches while Mares wasn’t far behind with 980. That’s 2,037 punches combined”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. I did not have the opportunity to watch this fight, but, if that punch count is accurate, it must have been a fast paced scrap. Amazing conditioning from both fighters. [/quote]
The two guys went at it.
Santa Cruz showed more than most people thought he had.
Should be Frampton, Quigg, Santa Cruz tourney for the “pleasure” of challenging Rigo
[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
[quote]idaho wrote:
“When it was all said and done, Santa Cruz threw 1,057 punches while Mares wasn’t far behind with 980. That’s 2,037 punches combined”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. I did not have the opportunity to watch this fight, but, if that punch count is accurate, it must have been a fast paced scrap. Amazing conditioning from both fighters. [/quote]
The two guys went at it.
Santa Cruz showed more than most people thought he had.
Should be Frampton, Quigg, Santa Cruz tourney for the “pleasure” of challenging Rigo[/quote]
Donny,
Good to see you around, I hope you and yours are doing well. Are you still fighting / training? I always enjoyed your log. Be safe.
[quote]idaho wrote:
[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
[quote]idaho wrote:
“When it was all said and done, Santa Cruz threw 1,057 punches while Mares wasn’t far behind with 980. That’s 2,037 punches combined”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. I did not have the opportunity to watch this fight, but, if that punch count is accurate, it must have been a fast paced scrap. Amazing conditioning from both fighters. [/quote]
The two guys went at it.
Santa Cruz showed more than most people thought he had.
Should be Frampton, Quigg, Santa Cruz tourney for the “pleasure” of challenging Rigo[/quote]
Donny,
Good to see you around, I hope you and yours are doing well. Are you still fighting / training? I always enjoyed your log. Be safe.
[/quote]
What’s happening man?
Yeah, all good here, training away, next fight about 8 weeks away.
Not sure if I’ll log it though - people are starting to pick up on it haha
RIP money may - please stay retired
I got around to watching the may/berto fight against my better judgement. As one might expect, it was a typical mayweather affair. No regard to anyone but himself, and as much as that is his prerogative, its also the reason why people don’t love him the way they did previous era defining champions.
The thing is, if you’re a fan of technique, this bout had some moments of absolute brilliance from mayweather. His footwork since his father has taken over as lead trainer, is just simply amazing. At 38 years of age, he still has lightning quick hands and reflexes and berto has fast hands himself, making it all the more impressive. I can only think that mayweather has aged so well because he has taken such little punishment in his career, further reinforcing for me that its not that mid 30s is an expiry date for fighters, but rather that the average fighter takes so much punishment in his career that brain damage accumulates and they appear to get “old overnight”.
But ultimately, just frustrating to watch. Its hard to watch a man try so hard - and god bless him, berto did try his heart out - and come up short every single round.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
RIP money may - please stay retired
I got around to watching the may/berto fight against my better judgement. As one might expect, it was a typical mayweather affair. No regard to anyone but himself, and as much as that is his prerogative, its also the reason why people don’t love him the way they did previous era defining champions.
The thing is, if you’re a fan of technique, this bout had some moments of absolute brilliance from mayweather. His footwork since his father has taken over as lead trainer, is just simply amazing. At 38 years of age, he still has lightning quick hands and reflexes and berto has fast hands himself, making it all the more impressive. I can only think that mayweather has aged so well because he has taken such little punishment in his career, further reinforcing for me that its not that mid 30s is an expiry date for fighters, but rather that the average fighter takes so much punishment in his career that brain damage accumulates and they appear to get “old overnight”.
But ultimately, just frustrating to watch. Its hard to watch a man try so hard - and god bless him, berto did try his heart out - and come up short every single round.[/quote]
Good post.
For me, the guy would get a bit more respect if he decided to top Marciano’s record and have one more bout by fighting Amir Khan. I genuinely believe he has ducked Khan for some time and fears him. That’s a pity as Mayweather should beat him 9 times out of 10.
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
Good post.
For me, the guy would get a bit more respect if he decided to top Marciano’s record and have one more bout by fighting Amir Khan. I genuinely believe he has ducked Khan for some time and fears him. That’s a pity as Mayweather should beat him 9 times out of 10.[/quote]
what??? this cant be serious.
first, no, simply going 50-0 because it is a round number wont earn him more respect. he was better than Marciano 5 and even 10 fights ago.
afraid of khan? khan got walked down by chris Algeria. im not sure khan ever beats mayweather senior.
khan is fast, but so is berto, and berto similar speed caused mayweather no problems.
pac is 1000x better than khan, faster and hits 100x harder. and mayweather beat him.
khan has no claim to beating mayweather.
Thurman, brook and Garcia all knock khan out.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
The thing is, if you’re a fan of technique, this bout had some moments of absolute brilliance from mayweather. His footwork since his father has taken over as lead trainer, is just simply amazing. At 38 years of age, he still has lightning quick hands and reflexes and berto has fast hands himself, making it all the more impressive. I can only think that mayweather has aged so well because he has taken such little punishment in his career, further reinforcing for me that its not that mid 30s is an expiry date for fighters, but rather that the average fighter takes so much punishment in his career that brain damage accumulates and they appear to get “old overnight”.
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no doubt, taking little punishment is essential to this. but I think the other key is getting smarter and smarter. constantly improving his ring iq.
like you say, his physical attributes like footwork, hand speed etc are still razor sharp, but his experience and reading of the fight in my opinion is why hes still scoring 120-108 decisions against guys whove been in the sport nearly 10 years less than him.
I really don’t think people appreciated how quick berto is. hes lightning. and mayweather slipped and countered him all night.
[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
Good post.
For me, the guy would get a bit more respect if he decided to top Marciano’s record and have one more bout by fighting Amir Khan. I genuinely believe he has ducked Khan for some time and fears him. That’s a pity as Mayweather should beat him 9 times out of 10.[/quote]
what??? this cant be serious.
first, no, simply going 50-0 because it is a round number wont earn him more respect. he was better than Marciano 5 and even 10 fights ago.
afraid of khan? khan got walked down by chris Algeria. im not sure khan ever beats mayweather senior.
khan is fast, but so is berto, and berto similar speed caused mayweather no problems.
pac is 1000x better than khan, faster and hits 100x harder. and mayweather beat him.
khan has no claim to beating mayweather.
Well, you can’t compare Khan and Marciano for a start. They are different boxers, from different eras. What is measurable is their records 49 and 0. That’s where comparison ends.
Regarding Khan, I’m not signing the guy’s praises by any means. He has a hell of a lot to prove. My point is, and it is just my opinion, the Mayweather camp sees him as an unknown quantity and potential threat. This shouldn’t be a surprise in boxing. Plenty of top fighters duck opponents, although they would never admit it. Tyson ducked Holyfield and Lewis, to name but one.
Thurman, brook and Garcia all knock khan out. [/quote]
Tyson ducked holyfield and lewis?
I think my memory might be a little hazy on this, but lets see, when Tyson was on top, holyfield was a cruiserweight only a few years out of the olympics and Lewis was still an amateur.
Within two years of being paroled from prison he was fighting with Holyfield. I can see an argument for him ducking Lewis, but coming off back-to-back losses against Holyfield I don’t think he was in any position to be fighting Lewis.
EDIT: just checked it, Lewis was only really just beginning his pro career as Tyson was going into prison.
I don’t disagree with the notion that top fighters duck the best all the time, Roy Jones made a career out of mismatches inbetween the few occasions he would take on a legitimate contender, but I just don’t see the Mayweather camp having that much fear of Khan.
Damn, the faceoff for golovkin Lemieux is cringeworthy. they’ve tried to hard. neither guy talks enough smack and they don’t dislike each other enough. it is what it is I guess. no haye vs klitschko
But who cares this fights actually gonna be a good one. I think ggg ends it whenever he likes.
only 6 days. whos psyched!?
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Tyson ducked holyfield and lewis?
I think my memory might be a little hazy on this, but lets see, when Tyson was on top, holyfield was a cruiserweight only a few years out of the olympics and Lewis was still an amateur.
Within two years of being paroled from prison he was fighting with Holyfield. I can see an argument for him ducking Lewis, but coming off back-to-back losses against Holyfield I don’t think he was in any position to be fighting Lewis.
EDIT: just checked it, Lewis was only really just beginning his pro career as Tyson was going into prison.
I don’t disagree with the notion that top fighters duck the best all the time, Roy Jones made a career out of mismatches inbetween the few occasions he would take on a legitimate contender, but I just don’t see the Mayweather camp having that much fear of Khan.[/quote]
Tyson was like 30-0 when lewis made his debut if I recall.
having said that, cotto vs canelo is the real fight this year imo. it has got foty written all over it.
[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
Damn, the faceoff for golovkin Lemieux is cringeworthy. they’ve tried to hard. neither guy talks enough smack and they don’t dislike each other enough. it is what it is I guess. no haye vs klitschko
But who cares this fights actually gonna be a good one. I think ggg ends it whenever he likes.
only 6 days. whos psyched!? [/quote]
I found the face off really interesting; from a psychological point of view.
Lemieux was obviously trying to galvanise himself and put up a tough front.
He spoke confidently and articulately.
Perhaps I just imagined it, but I felt when GGG responded, quietly and eloquently it seemed to disconcert Lemieux. Golovkin continued to express his admiration for the N’Damm fight and it seemed to make Lemieux more uncomfortable.
I feel the more aggressively Lemieux comes at him, the quicker he leaves.