Why 2015 Will Ramp Up the Revival of Boxing

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[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:

[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
Damn, the faceoff for golovkin Lemieux is cringeworthy. they’ve tried to hard. neither guy talks enough smack and they don’t dislike each other enough. it is what it is I guess. no haye vs klitschko

But who cares this fights actually gonna be a good one. I think ggg ends it whenever he likes.

only 6 days. whos psyched!? [/quote]
I found the face off really interesting; from a psychological point of view.

Lemieux was obviously trying to galvanise himself and put up a tough front.
He spoke confidently and articulately.

Perhaps I just imagined it, but I felt when GGG responded, quietly and eloquently it seemed to disconcert Lemieux. Golovkin continued to express his admiration for the N’Damm fight and it seemed to make Lemieux more uncomfortable.

I feel the more aggressively Lemieux comes at him, the quicker he leaves.[/quote]

somewhat agree to be fair. at least about gg expressing admiration for the ndamm fight. that was an interesting moment.

I am curious as to how confident Lemieux really is.

on a different note, where does ggg go after this? I mean, does he stay 160 and fight andy lee? that’s a decent fight id like to see.

if cotto beats canelo he will retire imo.

will canelo fight ggg if he wins? that’s a fucking bad ass fight If that happens.

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[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
somewhat agree to be fair. at least about gg expressing admiration for the ndamm fight. that was an interesting moment.

I am curious as to how confident Lemieux really is.

on a different note, where does ggg go after this? I mean, does he stay 160 and fight andy lee? that’s a decent fight id like to see.

if cotto beats canelo he will retire imo.

will canelo fight ggg if he wins? that’s a fucking bad ass fight If that happens. [/quote]
Yeah, how much does he believe that he can actually do this?
I’m not so sure.

Andy need’s to take care of business with Saunders first. I’d really like to see him make some money before he takes on GGG. Maybe even a meeting with N’Damm; last time they fought were the Olympics!

I kinda hope Cotto does. He’s been an action hero of sorts.

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[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:

[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
somewhat agree to be fair. at least about gg expressing admiration for the ndamm fight. that was an interesting moment.

I am curious as to how confident Lemieux really is.

on a different note, where does ggg go after this? I mean, does he stay 160 and fight andy lee? that’s a decent fight id like to see.

if cotto beats canelo he will retire imo.

will canelo fight ggg if he wins? that’s a fucking bad ass fight If that happens. [/quote]
Yeah, how much does he believe that he can actually do this?
I’m not so sure.

Andy need’s to take care of business with Saunders first. I’d really like to see him make some money before he takes on GGG. Maybe even a meeting with N’Damm; last time they fought were the Olympics!

I kinda hope Cotto does. He’s been an action hero of sorts.
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yes of course. I have no idea how good saunders is tbh. I know lee is the favourite but that’s it. I had andy lee beating peter quillin after a very bad start.

I woundnt mind seeing ggg fight quillin if hes game. I heard he was considering moving to 168 tho

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I can’t really comment on Andy; we boxed for the same am’ club, so I’m ridiculously biased.

Quillen is tough. I think if he was in shape he could do things.
With Eubank Jr. and Heiland entering the top 10 we have some fresh blood on the horizon.
That pun is all too literal!

I think N’Damm could bring the best out of Golovkin

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Oh and Saunders…

Fabulous boxer, tough guy. Stamina may be suspect based on his decline in the last 5 vs. Eubank Jr.
Good fight to watch

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[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
I can’t really comment on Andy; we boxed for the same am’ club, so I’m ridiculously biased.

Quillen is tough. I think if he was in shape he could do things.
With Eubank Jr. and Heiland entering the top 10 we have some fresh blood on the horizon.
That pun is all too literal!

I think N’Damm could bring the best out of Golovkin[/quote]

wow, nice, I had no idea. having trained alongside that sort of calibre must offer quite an insight.

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worth watching for the GGG fight:

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[quote]idaho wrote:
worth watching for the GGG fight:

very nice.

the fluidity and transitioning between the punches in gggs combinations is flawless. honestly, i feel like it takes me an eternity to throw the left uppercut followed by the left hook.

you know, i’ve been watching the build up quite a bit today, and whether or not its misguided, i think lemieux’s confidence is genuine. i mean, it makes sense though, hes knocked out 31 guys and knocked ndamm from ring post to ring post.

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Quite excited for this fight tonight.
Chocolatito against Viloria and Eamon O’Kane on the undercard… It will be gunslinging from top of the card to bottom.

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holy shit man, golovkin is a fucking monster

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Golovkin is incredible. But the P4P King is the little man; Chocolatito- beast at his weight

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GGG really established the jab. He busted up Lemieux with it all night. And that left hook to the body is a real weapon.

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I thought GGG was going to win, I just didn’t think he was going to dominate Lemieux the whole fight.

These fuckin former soviet bloc countries man, you take their fighters and put them under american coaches and brilliant things happen.

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Just happened to stumble on this thread (I’m not a boxing fan), but I went ahead and read the whole thing just for kicks.

As to the thread title… I believe it’s pretty safe to say that 2015 came closer to putting the nail in the coffin of boxing as far as the mainstream sports fan is concerned, than it did reviving the sport. Is that a fair thing to say? Going into 2015, people still cared about Mayweather, and that was it. The only people I know personally who still following boxing are boxers.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Just happened to stumble on this thread (I’m not a boxing fan), but I went ahead and read the whole thing just for kicks.

As to the thread title… I believe it’s pretty safe to say that 2015 came closer to putting the nail in the coffin of boxing as far as the mainstream sports fan is concerned, than it did reviving the sport. Is that a fair thing to say? Going into 2015, people still cared about Mayweather, and that was it. The only people I know personally who still following boxing are boxers. [/quote]

Man I couldn’t disagree more. This has been a great year for boxing and there is still a huge fight to come in November.

Canelo-Kirkland had an attendance of nearly 32k.

GGG and Lemieux, a Kazakh and a Canadian mind you, just put over 20k seats in Madison Square Garden.

Sure May-Pac was a dud of a fight, but it clearly showed that people have interest in the sport. Now with that said, the sport clearly isn’t as mainstream as it once was, but its demise has been greatly exaggerated.

Some monster fights on the horizon. GGG vs Cotto/Canelo winner. Ward-Kovalev. GGG-Ward. Pac-Kahn. Brook-Khan. Even some of the lighter classes have big potential. Lomachenko, Chocolatito, etc. No doubt Mayweather is/was the biggest name in the sport, but the void always eventually gets filled, plus I think you are looking at the sport strictly from American fans. Froch-Groves had an attendance of 80k, think about that number for a second, 10k more than the freaking Super Bowl.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Just happened to stumble on this thread (I’m not a boxing fan), but I went ahead and read the whole thing just for kicks.

As to the thread title… I believe it’s pretty safe to say that 2015 came closer to putting the nail in the coffin of boxing as far as the mainstream sports fan is concerned, than it did reviving the sport. Is that a fair thing to say? Going into 2015, people still cared about Mayweather, and that was it. The only people I know personally who still following boxing are boxers. [/quote]

Man I couldn’t disagree more. This has been a great year for boxing and there is still a huge fight to come in November.

Canelo-Kirkland had an attendance of nearly 32k.

GGG and Lemieux, a Kazakh and a Canadian mind you, just put over 20k seats in Madison Square Garden.

Sure May-Pac was a dud of a fight, but it clearly showed that people have interest in the sport. Now with that said, the sport clearly isn’t as mainstream as it once was, but its demise has been greatly exaggerated.

Some monster fights on the horizon. GGG vs Cotto/Canelo winner. Ward-Kovalev. GGG-Ward. Pac-Kahn. Brook-Khan. Even some of the lighter classes have big potential. Lomachenko, Chocolatito, etc. No doubt Mayweather is/was the biggest name in the sport, but the void always eventually gets filled, plus I think you are looking at the sport strictly from American fans. Froch-Groves had an attendance of 80k, think about that number for a second, 10k more than the freaking Super Bowl. [/quote]

I’m only familiar with like 3 of those names. I don’t doubt the sport is retaining the hardcore following it already had. But there are no transcendent superstars in boxing anymore. Transcendent superstars are what bring in outsiders to niche sports (think Tiger Woods with golf). Boxing does not have that after Mayweather. One may pop up, but that hasn’t happened to this point.

And I’ll readily admit that I’m looking at it from an American point of view, as I am American, but your last point is ridiculous. Boxing rings are substantially smaller than a football field, so of course you can sell more tickets at a stadium… that’s not a useful metric. If you doubled, tripled, etc the size of the Superbowl stadium, you’d still fill it. And tickets would sell for substantially higher prices, because there is infinitely higher demand. People save money for years just to make their ‘dream trip’ to a Superbowl. There isn’t a person on Earth who saved money for years to see the Foch-Groves fight.

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I don’t wholly disagree wirh what you said flipcollar. Bar a few points.

  1. there will never be a nail in coffin. Boxing will always have a certain level of following.

  2. saying the next tiger woods is misconstrued. Tiger woods is the highest earning sportsman ever. By a landslide. Golf nor any other sport has another tiger woods. On the other hand, only 3 men have ever earned 100m or more in a year. Woods, may weather and pac.

  3. but you are correct for now. Boxing doesn’t have a Lebron James, messi Ronaldo, usain bolt etc. Etc.

  4. boxing does however and will always live on from the name of past greatest. More so than any sport. Muhammad Ali is the most revered sports star ever, bar none.

  5. the fact is frock groves isn’t the biggest boxing fight, whereas the super bowl is the height of nfl. So any comparison speaks volumes imo.

  6. the most expensive tickets at May pac were more expensive than the super bowl

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With that said, boxing remains an increasingly frustrating sport. Corrupt judging, almost fraudulent activity with divisional belts, overhyped mismatches and under hyped classics all alienate non regular viewers and even more hardcore fans. Case in point may weather pac.

Like I say, I think your question was fair. Boxing wasn’t revived liked I’d hoped, but I think it was a little, imo. and is on the cusp of something special, I hope.

Hell, hardcore fans would do well to name wbc champions wilder or Adonis stebensons recent opponents.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Just happened to stumble on this thread (I’m not a boxing fan), but I went ahead and read the whole thing just for kicks.

As to the thread title… I believe it’s pretty safe to say that 2015 came closer to putting the nail in the coffin of boxing as far as the mainstream sports fan is concerned, than it did reviving the sport. Is that a fair thing to say? Going into 2015, people still cared about Mayweather, and that was it. The only people I know personally who still following boxing are boxers. [/quote]

Man I couldn’t disagree more. This has been a great year for boxing and there is still a huge fight to come in November.

Canelo-Kirkland had an attendance of nearly 32k.

GGG and Lemieux, a Kazakh and a Canadian mind you, just put over 20k seats in Madison Square Garden.

Sure May-Pac was a dud of a fight, but it clearly showed that people have interest in the sport. Now with that said, the sport clearly isn’t as mainstream as it once was, but its demise has been greatly exaggerated.

Some monster fights on the horizon. GGG vs Cotto/Canelo winner. Ward-Kovalev. GGG-Ward. Pac-Kahn. Brook-Khan. Even some of the lighter classes have big potential. Lomachenko, Chocolatito, etc. No doubt Mayweather is/was the biggest name in the sport, but the void always eventually gets filled, plus I think you are looking at the sport strictly from American fans. Froch-Groves had an attendance of 80k, think about that number for a second, 10k more than the freaking Super Bowl. [/quote]

I’m only familiar with like 3 of those names. I don’t doubt the sport is retaining the hardcore following it already had. But there are no transcendent superstars in boxing anymore. Transcendent superstars are what bring in outsiders to niche sports (think Tiger Woods with golf). Boxing does not have that after Mayweather. One may pop up, but that hasn’t happened to this point.

And I’ll readily admit that I’m looking at it from an American point of view, as I am American, but your last point is ridiculous. Boxing rings are substantially smaller than a football field, so of course you can sell more tickets at a stadium… that’s not a useful metric. If you doubled, tripled, etc the size of the Superbowl stadium, you’d still fill it. And tickets would sell for substantially higher prices, because there is infinitely higher demand. People save money for years just to make their ‘dream trip’ to a Superbowl. There isn’t a person on Earth who saved money for years to see the Foch-Groves fight.[/quote]

Froch - Groves sold out in an hour. if the stadium could have held more people it would have sold out that too.

Any Klitschko fight at all in Germany sells out a 55k stadium every time. There are other similar examples.

Mayweather earned $250m for one performance. Name any other sportman on that level.

The sport is followed by tens of millions across various different countries at a hardcore/casual level.

What more exactly do you expect?

You don’t seem to have a point at all bar you don’t have much knowledge or interest in the sport.