Well have any of you guys saw the movie? What do you think?
I thought it was a pretty good documentary and its very thought provoking. The Carl lewis failed drug test cover up I thought was very interesting.
Some stupid parts though was probably the amount of time that greg valentino was allowed to talk… man he is an idiot. although alot of what he says is pretty true, but they should of made the point he used oil for his arms and not steroids.
All round a pretty good movie worth checking out
I watched it last weekend - didn’t see it anywhere around here or on DVD, but I may buy it if it comes out here.
Pretty good show I thought - interesting view points of some people to say the least.
It was a good documentary but there are a couple of things I didnt like: I got the impression that the guy was sending the message that you cant be big and ripped without using steroids.Secondly is the movie pro-steroids, or against there use? I mean he has contradicting views throughout.
[quote]steel_12 wrote:
It was a good documentary but there are a couple of things I didnt like: I got the impression that the guy was sending the message that you cant be big and ripped without using steroids.Secondly is the movie pro-steroids, or against there use? I mean he has contradicting views throughout.
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Ugh, no he wasn’t. He was trying to present what both sides say about the issue and let you decide.
And you can get very big and strong without steroids, but no where as big and strong as with steroids. most guys I know that bench over 500 lbs, squat 700+ raw or geared, deadlift 600+ and have arms a legitimate 18+ " cold have taken or take steroids.
I’m not saying all that meet that criteria do use or have used, just most I know of. If you seriously think the average guy can get 230+ pounds ripped without using you’re delusional. Some can and will, but some guys really have a 9" dick, or and IQ over 180.
[quote]irishpowerhouse wrote:
Well have any of you guys saw the movie? What do you think?
I thought it was a pretty good documentary and its very thought provoking. The Carl lewis failed drug test cover up I thought was very interesting.
Some stupid parts though was probably the amount of time that greg valentino was allowed to talk… man he is an idiot. although alot of what he says is pretty true, but they should of made the point he used oil for his arms and not steroids.
All round a pretty good movie worth checking out[/quote]
That’s a good point about the oil, but even though it isn’t a steroid, you could call it a performance enhancer. Of course he did use steroids also.
I know Mark Bell, Jackass, and his brother did a well balanced job on this.
It was surprisingly excellent actually. I heard it was good, but it was REALLY good.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
steel_12 wrote:
It was a good documentary but there are a couple of things I didnt like: I got the impression that the guy was sending the message that you cant be big and ripped without using steroids.Secondly is the movie pro-steroids, or against there use? I mean he has contradicting views throughout.
Ugh, no he wasn’t. He was trying to present what both sides say about the issue and let you decide.
And you can get very big and strong without steroids, but no where as big and strong as with steroids. most guys I know that bench over 500 lbs, squat 700+ raw or geared, deadlift 600+ and have arms a legitimate 18+ " cold have taken or take steroids.
I’m not saying all that meet that criteria do use or have used, just most I know of. If you seriously think the average guy can get 230+ pounds ripped without using you’re delusional. Some can and will, but some guys really have a 9" dick, or and IQ over 180.
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I agree.230+ without using is extremely rare, but ive seen it.What im talking about is that, with years of training, natural lifters can be 190-220 with a low body fat.I got the impression from the movie that the physique of stallone, for example who is 180-200, is unattainable naturally. Natural limitations are very complex.I mean Ive seen guys who train right, eat right, and sleep well, and dont make any progress.Ive also seen the opposite end of the spectrum.Ive seen guys who train 1-2 times per week who are big, strong and ripped, and are 100% natural.
I thought the documentary was excellent, and thoroughly enjoyable.
[quote]steel_12 wrote:
I got the impression from the movie that the physique of stallone, for example who is 180-200, is unattainable naturally.[/quote]
I have news for you, it’s impossible for a 62 year old man to have a physique like Stallone without drugs.
[quote]steel_12 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
steel_12 wrote:
It was a good documentary but there are a couple of things I didnt like: I got the impression that the guy was sending the message that you cant be big and ripped without using steroids.Secondly is the movie pro-steroids, or against there use? I mean he has contradicting views throughout.
Ugh, no he wasn’t. He was trying to present what both sides say about the issue and let you decide.
And you can get very big and strong without steroids, but no where as big and strong as with steroids. most guys I know that bench over 500 lbs, squat 700+ raw or geared, deadlift 600+ and have arms a legitimate 18+ " cold have taken or take steroids.
I’m not saying all that meet that criteria do use or have used, just most I know of. If you seriously think the average guy can get 230+ pounds ripped without using you’re delusional. Some can and will, but some guys really have a 9" dick, or and IQ over 180.
I agree.230+ without using is extremely rare, but ive seen it.What im talking about is that, with years of training, natural lifters can be 190-220 with a low body fat.I got the impression from the movie that the physique of stallone, for example who is 180-200, is unattainable naturally. Natural limitations are very complex.I mean Ive seen guys who train right, eat right, and sleep well, and dont make any progress.Ive also seen the opposite end of the spectrum.Ive seen guys who train 1-2 times per week who are big, strong and ripped, and are 100% natural. [/quote]
i guarantee we have different definitions of big.
Definitely one of the best movies I have ever seen, and I believe this is the best report on steroids there is.
I loved the movie, but I wished it focused more on BB/powerlifting and anabolics in those sports. It focused mostly on baseball. I understand that he had to do it to make it viewable to a wider audience.But I would have enjoyed it more obviously with a different focus. I think it accomplished to goal of showing the disortation of info in the media on steroids. I also enjoyed how he lets you decide whether its cheating or just trying to excel to that elite level
there my $.02
I really enjoyed it and it was thought provoking at the same time. Being around the same age as the film maker I could identify with many of the points he made about how we were fed a bunch of horse shit.
For me it was sad to think how often I fought with my father over BB’ers being on drugs or taking suppliments. Just being a kid I suppose.
I do not think the movie is pro-steriods but to demonize them is completely unwarranted and the campagin of misinformation and fear mongering really needs to be addressed. Made up science and moral supposistions on this as well as many other subjects are simple distratcions for the population to not confront real issues.
Even if every gym rat took roids very few would have the determination, intellegence and experience to turn into anything other than a tub of goo. Gear or no gear I respect a guy who can bench 700lbs or get to 4%BF. While not my goals I respect the work it took to get there and the significance of the accomplishment to them.
Saying it is a health crisis for our kids is complete crap. The crisis is our “right now” culture. We want all stars at 14 and 15 years of age. It would be nice if people were honest and knew that the odds of being a professional athlete are slim to none. It is the princple of sport that needs to be the focus.
Its not really about baseball but steriods in sport in general. I liked how they covered many different sports and even got some dirt on Carl Lewis. This was indeed interesting.
The movie really makes you find your own opinion on steriods, but I think the main goal is to make people aware that they are not the dangerous cancer inflicting drug they are made out to be.
I agree with the point on Greg Valintino, sure he used steriods but it wasn’t steriods that gave him those stupid arms. They should of made this clear. He is sure a strange character, but yea he did make some good points.
In all, alot of people take drugs to enhance their performance. Is it considered cheating to give fans what they want to see? It really is a fine line.
just saw it on DVD.
Great movie, honestly. There were parts that a lot of people didn’t like as far as getting upset by certain things, but everyone that saw it with me liked it and would highly recommend it. Very no bull.
I rented it last week. I thought it was really excellent.
Well done, thought-provoking and honest. Great movie.
[quote]steel_12 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
steel_12 wrote:
It was a good documentary but there are a couple of things I didnt like: I got the impression that the guy was sending the message that you cant be big and ripped without using steroids.Secondly is the movie pro-steroids, or against there use? I mean he has contradicting views throughout.
Ugh, no he wasn’t. He was trying to present what both sides say about the issue and let you decide.
And you can get very big and strong without steroids, but no where as big and strong as with steroids. most guys I know that bench over 500 lbs, squat 700+ raw or geared, deadlift 600+ and have arms a legitimate 18+ " cold have taken or take steroids.
I’m not saying all that meet that criteria do use or have used, just most I know of. If you seriously think the average guy can get 230+ pounds ripped without using you’re delusional. Some can and will, but some guys really have a 9" dick, or and IQ over 180.
I agree.230+ without using is extremely rare, but ive seen it.What im talking about is that, with years of training, natural lifters can be 190-220 with a low body fat.I got the impression from the movie that the physique of stallone, for example who is 180-200, is unattainable naturally.
Natural limitations are very complex.I mean Ive seen guys who train right, eat right, and sleep well, and dont make any progress.Ive also seen the opposite end of the spectrum.Ive seen guys who train 1-2 times per week who are big, strong and ripped, and are 100% natural. [/quote]
It’s not unobtainable naturally, just not as quick as some would like. Stallone was actually about 165-170 in rocky 3. Remember you look bigger on film when ripped. Steroids will get you there quicker when you need to make millions. films are on a time schedule, you know.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
I thought the documentary was excellent, and thoroughly enjoyable.
steel_12 wrote:
I got the impression from the movie that the physique of stallone, for example who is 180-200, is unattainable naturally.
I have news for you, it’s impossible for a 62 year old man to have a physique like Stallone without drugs.[/quote]
exactly.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
steel_12 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
steel_12 wrote:
It was a good documentary but there are a couple of things I didnt like: I got the impression that the guy was sending the message that you cant be big and ripped without using steroids.Secondly is the movie pro-steroids, or against there use? I mean he has contradicting views throughout.
Ugh, no he wasn’t. He was trying to present what both sides say about the issue and let you decide.
And you can get very big and strong without steroids, but no where as big and strong as with steroids. most guys I know that bench over 500 lbs, squat 700+ raw or geared, deadlift 600+ and have arms a legitimate 18+ " cold have taken or take steroids.
I’m not saying all that meet that criteria do use or have used, just most I know of. If you seriously think the average guy can get 230+ pounds ripped without using you’re delusional. Some can and will, but some guys really have a 9" dick, or and IQ over 180.
I agree.230+ without using is extremely rare, but ive seen it.What im talking about is that, with years of training, natural lifters can be 190-220 with a low body fat.I got the impression from the movie that the physique of stallone, for example who is 180-200, is unattainable naturally.
Natural limitations are very complex.I mean Ive seen guys who train right, eat right, and sleep well, and dont make any progress.Ive also seen the opposite end of the spectrum.Ive seen guys who train 1-2 times per week who are big, strong and ripped, and are 100% natural.
i guarantee we have different definitions of big.[/quote]
Also true, I’m 5’7" and 205. Not ripped, but big and not fat looking, ie, no gut and signs of abs with a shirt off.
I saw the movie and its a must see for anyone who enjoyed bodybuilding,powerlifting,sports…well its a must for everybody.
-The visit at the congress man was pretty funny, that guy was responsable for the baseball audience and he cant answer one freaking question!!
-Give the gold medal back to Ben Jonhson.
-I dont wanna live in a Van at 50 years old…the dream must be over!!
-Nice to see the westside barbell crew in action
10/10 for this movie!!!
Oh, I absolutely fucking LOLed when Louie Simmons stated that Stinky will “be back on.”
He just said it with so much confidence. I actually rewound it and laughed again.