[quote]pushharder wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You are one anal retentive moron.
X, Many would think that you’re a moronically retentive anus. Now settle down and have a civil discussion before you prolapse.[/quote]
Thank you for your commentary, Rev. Jerry Falwell.
If you’re trying to build biceps, do a set of chin-ups then finish with curls.
For triceps, do a set of dips, then finish with extensions.
For calves, do a set of squats, then finish with calf raises.
No compound mass-builder is then sacrificed; the best of all worlds.
[quote]Kailash wrote:
If you’re trying to build biceps, do a set of chin-ups then finish with curls.
For triceps, do a set of dips, then finish with extensions.
For calves, do a set of squats, then finish with calf raises.
No compound mass-builder is then sacrificed; the best of all worlds.[/quote]
squats don’t build big calves.
I rarely do direst bicep work, maybe a couple of sets in between core movements. My arms are well defined and over 20". I think that is satisfactory.
[quote]hueyOT wrote:
squats don’t build big calves.[/quote]
That’s irrelevant. My point is that one can do isolation work after all the real exercises, if they aren’t working a specific muscle group well enough for their tastes. So then nothing is lost.
Tate was once asked why powerlifters have such defined calves when they don’t directly train them. He said large calves are a by-product of squatting.
Jeepers, I don’t know why I just added more commentary to this obnoxious thread…
[quote]chiefy wrote:
He said large calves are a by-product of squatting.
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Or walking around weighing 280+ pounds.
That’s a fairly difficult one to really answer, but assuming this person has decent genetics, he could even jack off alernating between both hands everyday and still build 21 inch guns…LOL
[quote]Leeuwer wrote:
chiefy wrote:
He said large calves are a by-product of squatting.
Or walking around weighing 280+ pounds.[/quote]
I truly think that is the main reason. My calves didn’t grow much at all until I passed up 250lbs regardless of how I trained them. They still are far from wher I would like them to be, but at least they improved somewhat.
The rest is simply genetics. I have seen people who don’t lift at all with better calves than you see on bodybuilding stages.
[quote]chiefy wrote:
Tate was once asked why powerlifters have such defined calves when they don’t directly train them. He said large calves are a by-product of squatting.
Jeepers, I don’t know why I just added more commentary to this obnoxious thread…[/quote]
and guess what, all the powerlifters he’s talking about weigh close to 300 pounds and squat around 800. huge and heavy guys always have big calves, the calves get a workout just walking with that kinda bodyweight.
unless you’re squatting tons and weigh a whole lot, you’re gonna need direct calves work if you want great calves.
[quote]Leeuwer wrote:
chiefy wrote:
He said large calves are a by-product of squatting.
Or walking around weighing 280+ pounds.[/quote]
exactly! squats don’t build big calves. i read the tate article where he said squatting built up the calves, but i’m gonna have to say he’s wrong with that. i know quite a few lighter powerlifters <who are elite, btw… 165 pound guys> whose calves are far from impressive.
and guess what? one weighs 165 and deadlifts 630-ish, and he squats around 550? if not more?
anyways. i have plenty of anecdotes. but great calves for 99% of the population NEED DIRECT WORK. and lots of direct work.
[quote]Leeuwer wrote:
chiefy wrote:
He said large calves are a by-product of squatting.
Or walking around weighing 280+ pounds.[/quote]
Agreed.
I also think that sled dragging has more to do with their big calves, but as I’m sure someone will short point out - Who am I to disagree with Dave Tate.
[quote]MarcAnthony wrote:
Leeuwer wrote:
chiefy wrote:
He said large calves are a by-product of squatting.
Or walking around weighing 280+ pounds.
Agreed.
I also think that sled dragging has more to do with their big calves, but as I’m sure someone will short point out - Who am I to disagree with Dave Tate.[/quote]
Sled dragging is in fact a great workout for your calves, but most guys at Westside don’t do it(although Dave Tate recommends it), and neither do most fat people on the streets, who probably get almost no exercise at all, yet have calves that are way beyond those of the average person.
(regardless of changing standards about how that average person may look and weigh)
[quote]hueyOT wrote:
exactly! squats don’t build big calves. i read the tate article where he said squatting built up the calves, but i’m gonna have to say he’s wrong with that. i know quite a few lighter powerlifters <who are elite, btw… 165 pound guys> whose calves are far from impressive.
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Hes 165 lbs, if his calves were in proportion to the rest of his body (assume they are) they still wouldnt be all that big.
I bet if he ate more to get bigger and go up a weight class or two, and included no direct calf work, I’m pretty sure his calves would get bigger. May not be optimal for growth, but they’d get bigger.
[quote]hueyOT wrote:
chiefy wrote:
Tate was once asked why powerlifters have such defined calves when they don’t directly train them. He said large calves are a by-product of squatting.
Jeepers, I don’t know why I just added more commentary to this obnoxious thread…
and guess what, all the powerlifters he’s talking about weigh close to 300 pounds and squat around 800. huge and heavy guys always have big calves, the calves get a workout just walking with that kinda bodyweight.
unless you’re squatting tons and weigh a whole lot, you’re gonna need direct calves work if you want great calves.[/quote]
Hey HueyOT, your avatar kind of creeps me out. Who the hell is that?
Can we argue about neck size now?
I think straining due to lack of fiber is a good training method.
Comments?
[quote]magnetnerd wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Who started this movement to avoid direct biceps training? Further, why is anyone following?
I followed it for a while largely because I kept reading (and possibly misinterpreting in some cases) that it wasn’t necessary. In other words, I let “experts” lead me away from using common sense.[/quote]
I tried it for twenty years before I started working out again and I did not gain a 1/4 inch!!
MB 
[quote]vroom wrote:
Can we argue about neck size now?
I think straining due to lack of fiber is a good training method.
Comments?[/quote]
I watch tennis matches on TV for my neck training.
MB
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Who started this movement to avoid direct biceps training? Further, why is anyone following?[/quote]
I agree with you.
But also understand some people don’t care about big arms. I don’t do curls because I don’t give a shit about it. I get by with chins and rows. If I ever look in the mirror and say “Hmm, my biceps make me look like a FF7 character,” then I’ll go do some curls.