[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
Ok,I nearly cried at the gym today when I discovered that the dip/pull belt has been torn and put to rest. I was ready to do both, but had to substitute. I am not happy.[/quote]
Dude…I feel for ya man. Sorry to hear that.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
Ok,I nearly cried at the gym today when I discovered that the dip/pull belt has been torn and put to rest. I was ready to do both, but had to substitute. I am not happy.
Dude…I feel for ya man. Sorry to hear that.[/quote]
Shit thing is, it won’t be replaced because it was over 20 years old and I think three or four of us used it. The owner never uses it, so it’s not a priority for him. I guess I’ll have to buy my own.
CVB,
What is your usual sticking point on the bench?
Also, why give up the Westside based routine?
I’d like to see if I can help after you answer that.
Thanks
Carter
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
Ok,I nearly cried at the gym today when I discovered that the dip/pull belt has been torn and put to rest. I was ready to do both, but had to substitute. I am not happy.
Dude…I feel for ya man. Sorry to hear that.
Shit thing is, it won’t be replaced because it was over 20 years old and I think three or four of us used it. The owner never uses it, so it’s not a priority for him. I guess I’ll have to buy my own.[/quote]
Tell him to buy a BACAC.
Big Ass Chain And Carabiner.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
john-lennon wrote:
the point is hes saying that chin ups and pull ups dont build your back and are useless, i dont care if he was a world famous coach and said that and that using the smith machine was better, id tell him what i thought to his face. i dont know how anyone could find a smith row to be better than any other back exersize. mabye better in as its not as hard to do? requires less effort? anyways i still disagree with doign smith machine rows instead of chins and pulls for back building…
I agree with you.
You’d figure a Ph.D would have more common sense.
Not only does he bash chin-ups, but he then goes on to tell us how great smith machine rows are. WTF!?
People have been destroyed on this site for much less (not that I condone that type of behavior). [/quote]
Stig: 6’2", 268, >9% bf
Obbofill: 5’9", 178, 13% bf
Keep bashing him, and keep doing what you are doing because obviously, in your mind, the pen is mightier than the sword.
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
Ok,I nearly cried at the gym today when I discovered that the dip/pull belt has been torn and put to rest. I was ready to do both, but had to substitute. I am not happy.
Dude…I feel for ya man. Sorry to hear that.
Shit thing is, it won’t be replaced because it was over 20 years old and I think three or four of us used it. The owner never uses it, so it’s not a priority for him. I guess I’ll have to buy my own.[/quote]
Man, why do you think I posted a thread about dip belts? My new gym never has them, and it got ridiculous trying to hold weight with my feet.
As for the original topic, I don’t see what’s to discuss. In the same way that doing fifty bodyweight sit-ups or pushups will not add weight, whereas a bench press or sit-ups with weights will, so will bodyweight chins not do much as opposed to chins with added weight.
Furthermore, pull-ups work the lats more than chin-ups, to the guy who had it the other way around. And finally, between pull-ups/chin-ups, some form of horizontal rowing, and deadlifts, you should have a pretty amazing back. I don’t see how there’s any exercise that comes close to the chin-up/pull-up for basic lat spread. Hell, Poliquin called it the upper-body squat!
[quote]carter12 wrote:
CVB,
What is your usual sticking point on the bench?
Also, why give up the Westside based routine?
I’d like to see if I can help after you answer that.
Thanks
Carter[/quote]
Hi Carter,
My sticking point is about an inch or two off my chest.
I was considering switching from westside because of speed day. I have not built enough strength to worry about speed. I need more reps. I talked to a couple other power lifters and they recommended I just work on speed every other week but continue with WSB. Their opinion is my speed sucks and my bench will jump up when I improve it.
Also, my workout partner was obsessed with boards. Who cares if I can bench 200lb off 4 boards. I needed to work the full range and not just my lockout. Working with bands or chains would have been a better option.
Right now I am still rehabbing, so I figured it was a good time to work on a new powerlifting workout and figure out what went wrong with my last workout. I no longer have a partner, so I am able to do what is best for me.
Since I have only been powerlifting since December, I am still a beginner. So I am trying to learn what I can from this site. Right now all the powerlifters I work out with are following westside.
Claire
thats great that hes massive and ripped, still doesnt make what he said law.
is he using any assitance? you can train like a moron and still make impressive gains training like an idiot while assisted
and if your not congrats on getting to 268 at less than 9% good job not many will ever get there, i still disagree with you thou, i wouldnt care if you were 500 pounds at 1% body fat i still think you are wrong.
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
Stig: 6’2", 268, >9% bf
Obbofill: 5’9", 178, 13% bf
Keep bashing him, and keep doing what you are doing because obviously, in your mind, the pen is mightier than the sword.[/quote]
Like my being smaller has anything to do with this argument.
I’ve played either football or basketball (and now soccer) at least 2X per week since 1st grade. I want to be able to continue this without fear of my joints giving me problems in the future. My goals are very different than his or yours.
It seems to me that you justify your inability to do pull-ups by the fact that you have large muscles, regardless. Ok, fine.
We should all know by now that there’s more than one way to attain hypertrophy.
So you suck at using your back for pull-ups and have given up on the exercise.
What can we conclude? For YOU, the exercise is no good. Is that the case for everybody? No.
Have you tried changing your grip width? Tried using gymnastic rings? Straps? Adding weight? Negatives? Stretch your lats beforehand?
Since i’ve put on some weight, my pullups have suffered greatly. I cant ever do over 12 in a row now.
Also, is there a technique to do weighted pull ups without a belt or chain?
[quote]baretta wrote:
Since i’ve put on some weight, my pullups have suffered greatly. I cant ever do over 12 in a row now.
Also, is there a technique to do weighted pull ups without a belt or chain?[/quote]
Have a partner pull down on your waist/legs? What’s wrong with the belt or chain?
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Like my being smaller has anything to do with this argument.[/quote]
Its does. You have this nasty little habit of bashing those on the board that have actually accomplished breaking the 210lb mark while being lean.
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I’ve played either football or basketball (and now soccer) at least 2X per week since 1st grade. I want to be able to continue this without fear of my joints giving me problems in the future. My goals are very different than his or yours. [/quote]
I fail to see any correlation between muscle mass, and joint problems, unless you are using heavy amounts of AAS and your muscles are growing larger than your tendons and ligaments can handle.
[quote]
It seems to me that you justify your inability to do pull-ups by the fact that you have large muscles, regardless. Ok, fine.[/quote]
If you read my posts, Sparky, you would know that I haven’t included them in my routines in the last 2 years. That doesn’t mean that I can’t do them. And for the record I am arguing that bodyweight pull-ups are not a particularly good mass builder.
[quote]
We should all know by now that there’s more than one way to attain hypertrophy.[/quote]
Absolutely.
[quote]
So you suck at using your back for pull-ups and have given up on the exercise.[/quote]
Not true. In the offseason, I can still bang out 5 from a dead hang while at 260lbs with 15-17% bf.
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What can we conclude? For YOU, the exercise is no good. Is that the case for everybody? No.[/quote]
Try adding a belt with some weight on it, you will progress faster.
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Have you tried changing your grip width? Tried using gymnastic rings? Straps? Adding weight? Negatives? Stretch your lats beforehand? [/quote]
I do not need a lecture from you on the importance of variety in an exercise. Thanks though.
[quote]john-lennon wrote:
is he using any assitance? you can train like a moron and still make impressive gains training like an idiot while assisted[/quote]
You are right AAS are a whimsical and magical device used to cheat, and any sedentary housewife can take a cycle and gain 20lbs of LBM while lifting groceries.
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Like my being smaller has anything to do with this argument.
Its does. You have this nasty little habit of bashing those on the board that have actually accomplished breaking the 210lb mark while being lean.
[/quote]
I have no idea what your talking about. Here’s a post that will prove how incorrect you are about my views of body weight and athleticism.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1100440&pageNo=7#1113677
The correlation is very simple. I play so frequently (at least 2x per week), and oftentimes on concrete (when younger, we used to play street-bball and football everyday).
A heavier guy’s body is going to wear out much sooner than a lighter guy.
[quote]It seems to me that you justify your inability to do pull-ups by the fact that you have large muscles, regardless. Ok, fine.
If you read my posts, Sparky, you would know that I haven’t included them in my routines in the last 2 years. That doesn’t mean that I can’t do them. And for the record I am arguing that bodyweight pull-ups are not a particularly good mass builder. [/quote]
Since when was bodyweight anything a good mass builder? Duh, add weight.
A guy that can front squat 400lbs is gonna have some leg size. A guy that can curl 225 lbs is gonna have some guns. A guy that can pull-up 250 lbs is gonna have some back muscularity. Not a very difficult concept to grasp.
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
john-lennon wrote:
is he using any assitance? you can train like a moron and still make impressive gains training like an idiot while assisted
You are right AAS are a whimsical and magical device used to cheat, and any sedentary housewife can take a cycle and gain 20lbs of LBM while lifting groceries.
[/quote]
TDog, you are living proof that it doesn’t take a genius to get big.
The biggest guys in the gym are hardly the most knowledgeable about the different aspects of weight training (not that they need to know much).
Oftentimes keeping it simple is the most effective way to attain a goal.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
TDog, you are living proof that it doesn’t take a genius to get big.
[/quote]
You prove to be a bigger and bigger jerkoff each day.
If you would like to speak about intelligence, please pm me so I can discuss with you my varying degrees and career field.
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
oboffill wrote:
TDog, you are living proof that it doesn’t take a genius to get big.
You prove to be a bigger and bigger jerkoff each day.
If you would like to speak about intelligence, please pm me so I can discuss with you my varying degrees and career field.[/quote]
Man, I don’t care about your degrees or your cars or your house or your money.
Talk to me about the things we write and let your words defend you.
Look for those who keep mentioning it, I did not say the Smith Machine was THE way to train I said it has its uses, as the more savvy forum users can identify with. I don’t think its much use for Squats or Presses, but it can be uses for stuff like seated calf raise (with a heel board), rows and other bits and bobs, not to forget hanging your jacket on.
Putting words in my mouth will just make you look foolish. I also did not say the Chin and Pull were ‘useless’ I said they are perhaps not the best exercise to make a priority for mass. If you are planning on joining the US Army Rangers or the Royal Marines or planning on swinging from trees or taking up climbing, perhaps you would prioritise them.
We had a discussion on the Smith here a while back its like the leg press, everyone jumps in to say how crap it is etc etc. Most machines have uses, its personal endeavour to find that use and how it works for you.
As for my Ph.D, having a Ph.D does not turn you into some real ale drinking, beardy, cardigan wearing, linux using boffin. It means you have some representation at to your ability to analytical and applied though. Which as any fool reading this post will see, that’s exactly what I have.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Man, I don’t care about your degrees or your cars or your house or your money.
Talk to me about the things we write and let your words defend you. [/quote]
What in the fuck are you talking about?
I am not the stereotypical gym meathead that can’t spell cat. I merely offered you the opportunity to talk to me on an intellectual level privately, so no one else has to sift through this garbage.
I also never incinuated anything about the amount of money I make, the house I live in, or the cars I drive.
I am through talking to you. When you break the 200lb mark 8 years from now please let me know.