[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
they are hiding guilt behind pointed fingers. Most white people have to override a learned but ingrained dislike for blacks. It’s like the first reaction is “that guy is black” and then “but he carries himself well and his pants fit, he could be ok I will him a chance.” This sentiment is fading with each new generation though. For what its worth, as unfair as it is, whites form their stereotypes bases on what they see and hear on the radio and tv for the most part. And the images put forth aren’t stellar. People who mingle know better but we definitely have white and black neighborhoods, churches et cetera and on both sides the other is the bogeyman. You are correct.
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Fuck that, to say that “Most white people have to overcome their dislike of blacks” is stereotyping in the worst of ways and it’s utter bullshit, and fucking offensive to people like me who have never thought like that and know plenty of people that have never thought like that.
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Apparently, all the black-hating white crackers residing in Houston are representative of middle white america. We know this because they told us so. I’m still not sure how Obama got elected given all those white people that see blacks as inferior. There must have been some serious therapy occurring while waiting for their turn at the voting booth. Their “ingrained” dislike of blacks became “disingrained” while waiting in line or, they waited in line to vote for so long, that their successive generations of children voted for the man, not them.
I’ll say it again, I’ll allow that parts of the South are different. But I do not accept that “most white people have an ingrained dislike for blacks”. Or maybe all the white people I know, met and worked with were hiding it. Maybe I’m really black?
I know one thing based on my experience traveling this country; show me a lower class, largely uneducated predominately white neighborhood, and I’ll find you one racist after another. Same with black neighborhoods.
Being ignorant and uneducated is not “ingrained” in anyone other than the ignorant and uneducated.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
they are hiding guilt behind pointed fingers. Most white people have to override a learned but ingrained dislike for blacks. It’s like the first reaction is “that guy is black” and then “but he carries himself well and his pants fit, he could be ok I will him a chance.” This sentiment is fading with each new generation though. For what its worth, as unfair as it is, whites form their stereotypes bases on what they see and hear on the radio and tv for the most part. And the images put forth aren’t stellar. People who mingle know better but we definitely have white and black neighborhoods, churches et cetera and on both sides the other is the bogeyman. You are correct.
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Fuck that, to say that “Most white people have to overcome their dislike of blacks” is stereotyping in the worst of ways and it’s utter bullshit, and fucking offensive to people like me who have never thought like that and know plenty of people that have never thought like that.
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Agreed. I grew up the minority in a black and Mexican suburb in Dallas and never once had to overcome any racial issues - even when I was a ‘honkey’ or ‘Elvis’. My parents didn’t raise a moron and I realised, as soon as I was old enough to make friends, that dickheads come in all shapes and colours.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
they are hiding guilt behind pointed fingers. Most white people have to override a learned but ingrained dislike for blacks. It’s like the first reaction is “that guy is black” and then “but he carries himself well and his pants fit, he could be ok I will him a chance.” This sentiment is fading with each new generation though. For what its worth, as unfair as it is, whites form their stereotypes bases on what they see and hear on the radio and tv for the most part. And the images put forth aren’t stellar. People who mingle know better but we definitely have white and black neighborhoods, churches et cetera and on both sides the other is the bogeyman. You are correct.
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Fuck that, to say that “Most white people have to overcome their dislike of blacks” is stereotyping in the worst of ways and it’s utter bullshit, and fucking offensive to people like me who have never thought like that and know plenty of people that have never thought like that.
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Agreed. I grew up the minority in a black and Mexican suburb in Dallas and never once had to overcome any racial issues - even when I was a ‘honkey’ or ‘Elvis’. My parents didn’t raise a moron and I realised, as soon as I was old enough to make friends, that dickheads come in all shapes and colours.
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Yeah?
I realized early on that I am an arrogant prick and that I could not afford to discriminate based on race, gender or sexual orientation if I wanted to discriminate based on intelligence, character and the existence of some sort of moral backbone.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
they are hiding guilt behind pointed fingers. Most white people have to override a learned but ingrained dislike for blacks. It’s like the first reaction is “that guy is black” and then “but he carries himself well and his pants fit, he could be ok I will him a chance.” This sentiment is fading with each new generation though. For what its worth, as unfair as it is, whites form their stereotypes bases on what they see and hear on the radio and tv for the most part. And the images put forth aren’t stellar. People who mingle know better but we definitely have white and black neighborhoods, churches et cetera and on both sides the other is the bogeyman. You are correct.
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Fuck that, to say that “Most white people have to overcome their dislike of blacks” is stereotyping in the worst of ways and it’s utter bullshit, and fucking offensive to people like me who have never thought like that and know plenty of people that have never thought like that.
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Agreed. I grew up the minority in a black and Mexican suburb in Dallas and never once had to overcome any racial issues - even when I was a ‘honkey’ or ‘Elvis’. My parents didn’t raise a moron and I realised, as soon as I was old enough to make friends, that dickheads come in all shapes and colours.
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Yeah?
I realized early on that I am an arrogant prick and that I could not afford to discriminate based on race, gender or sexual orientation if I wanted to discriminate based on intelligence, character and the existence of some sort of moral backbone.
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Because I realised early on that a person who dislikes people who judge others by their skin colour and not by their individual character and merit is CLEARLY an arrogant prick?
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
they are hiding guilt behind pointed fingers. Most white people have to override a learned but ingrained dislike for blacks. It’s like the first reaction is “that guy is black” and then “but he carries himself well and his pants fit, he could be ok I will him a chance.” This sentiment is fading with each new generation though. For what its worth, as unfair as it is, whites form their stereotypes bases on what they see and hear on the radio and tv for the most part. And the images put forth aren’t stellar. People who mingle know better but we definitely have white and black neighborhoods, churches et cetera and on both sides the other is the bogeyman. You are correct.
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Fuck that, to say that “Most white people have to overcome their dislike of blacks” is stereotyping in the worst of ways and it’s utter bullshit, and fucking offensive to people like me who have never thought like that and know plenty of people that have never thought like that.
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Agreed. I grew up the minority in a black and Mexican suburb in Dallas and never once had to overcome any racial issues - even when I was a ‘honkey’ or ‘Elvis’. My parents didn’t raise a moron and I realised, as soon as I was old enough to make friends, that dickheads come in all shapes and colours.
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Yeah?
I realized early on that I am an arrogant prick and that I could not afford to discriminate based on race, gender or sexual orientation if I wanted to discriminate based on intelligence, character and the existence of some sort of moral backbone.
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Because I realised early on that a person who dislikes people who judge others by their skin colour and not by their individual character and merit is CLEARLY an arrogant prick?
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No really.
He could be just lazy, or as dumb a box of rocks and not being able to discriminate based on something other than the entirely obvious…
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
they are hiding guilt behind pointed fingers. Most white people have to override a learned but ingrained dislike for blacks. It’s like the first reaction is “that guy is black” and then “but he carries himself well and his pants fit, he could be ok I will him a chance.” This sentiment is fading with each new generation though. For what its worth, as unfair as it is, whites form their stereotypes bases on what they see and hear on the radio and tv for the most part. And the images put forth aren’t stellar. People who mingle know better but we definitely have white and black neighborhoods, churches et cetera and on both sides the other is the bogeyman. You are correct.
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Fuck that, to say that “Most white people have to overcome their dislike of blacks” is stereotyping in the worst of ways and it’s utter bullshit, and fucking offensive to people like me who have never thought like that and know plenty of people that have never thought like that.
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Agreed. I grew up the minority in a black and Mexican suburb in Dallas and never once had to overcome any racial issues - even when I was a ‘honkey’ or ‘Elvis’. My parents didn’t raise a moron and I realised, as soon as I was old enough to make friends, that dickheads come in all shapes and colours.
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Yeah?
I realized early on that I am an arrogant prick and that I could not afford to discriminate based on race, gender or sexual orientation if I wanted to discriminate based on intelligence, character and the existence of some sort of moral backbone.
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Because I realised early on that a person who dislikes people who judge others by their skin colour and not by their individual character and merit is CLEARLY an arrogant prick?
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No really.
He could be just lazy, or as dumb a box of rocks and not being able to discriminate based on something other than the entirely obvious…[/quote]
Ahhh so there isn’t a difference between discriminating against a behaviour as opposed to a colour. I mean, all racists aren’t racists eh?
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
To not categorize or stereotype is to go against the very laws of nature. It is a necessary trait for survival. without the ability all higher level animals would have died off a long time ago.
The deer knows it should avoid lions, now there might be some nice vegitarian lion, but that is not a risk the deer should take, I know it is a poor analogy. But here is the thing, to stereotype based on manerism, dialect, the way you dress carry yourself, these things are not racism. They are good qualities and the fact that less and less people see this shows the loss of scientific and pragmatic thought in our societies.
Men and women are different, races have different genetic and phenotypic characteristics, it is the way it is. and to recognize those differences is not racist.
Now to be belligerent to someone solely because of their race or skin color is a different story. But seriously to undermine science and statistics because it might offend someone is idiotic.
Genetic predisposition to disease and behavior is a reality like it or not.
I am not defending racism, I am merely showing the absurdity of stating you cannot use statistics o help predict genetic or cultural influences in behavior. [/quote]
I had a rascist dog once. We got her from a rescue centre. She was a very timid and sweet dog and nice in every other way, but when ever we drove through Camberwell (London) to visit relatives she would bark ferociously at every black person crossing the road that came anywhere near our car. She didn’t do it to white people.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
To not categorize or stereotype is to go against the very laws of nature. It is a necessary trait for survival. without the ability all higher level animals would have died off a long time ago.
The deer knows it should avoid lions, now there might be some nice vegitarian lion, but that is not a risk the deer should take, I know it is a poor analogy. But here is the thing, to stereotype based on manerism, dialect, the way you dress carry yourself, these things are not racism. They are good qualities and the fact that less and less people see this shows the loss of scientific and pragmatic thought in our societies.
Men and women are different, races have different genetic and phenotypic characteristics, it is the way it is. and to recognize those differences is not racist.
Now to be belligerent to someone solely because of their race or skin color is a different story. But seriously to undermine science and statistics because it might offend someone is idiotic.
Genetic predisposition to disease and behavior is a reality like it or not.
I am not defending racism, I am merely showing the absurdity of stating you cannot use statistics o help predict genetic or cultural influences in behavior. [/quote]
I had a rascist dog once. We got her from a rescue centre. She was a very timid and sweet dog and nice in every other way, but when ever we drove through Camberwell (London) to visit relatives she would bark ferociously at every black person crossing the road that came anywhere near our car. She didn’t do it to white people.
How amazing would it be to see everyone unite and realize that we are all the fucking same regardless of color…the whole structure would have to change. Let them fight amongst themselves instead of the system is a brillant strategy to keep us sheep in line. You would hope that we would have evolved past this B.S. but sadly, it seems that the division is growing amongst us instead of getting weaker.
How amazing would it be to see everyone unite and realize that we are all the fucking same regardless of color…the whole structure would have to change. Let them fight amongst themselves instead of the system is a brillant strategy to keep us sheep in line. You would hope that we would have evolved past this B.S. but sadly, it seems that the division is growing amongst us instead of getting weaker.
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The only way racism would be stamped out is by genetically colouring our future generations to all be the same, and even then the big noses would fight the little noses and blame them for their woes.
The only way racism would be stamped out is by genetically colouring our future generations to all be the same, and even then the big noses would fight the little noses and blame them for their woes.
How amazing would it be to see everyone unite and realize that we are all the fucking same regardless of color…the whole structure would have to change. Let them fight amongst themselves instead of the system is a brillant strategy to keep us sheep in line. You would hope that we would have evolved past this B.S. but sadly, it seems that the division is growing amongst us instead of getting weaker.
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The only way racism would be stamped out is by genetically colouring our future generations to all be the same, and even then the big noses would fight the little noses and blame them for their woes.
What’s the solution? Why can’t we move past this shit? In this day and age, where we are clearly more open to opposing ideas/beliefs why is it so hard to accept someone for something they have no control over?
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Fucking Baboons raise feral dogs as pets. Baboons and Dogs can get along and humans fucking can’t!!!
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
This is a pretty stupid analogy. Lions and deer are different animals. One preys on the other. Both white and black people don’t prey on the other. For your analogy to work you’d have to use different colored cats, dogs or some other animal. While there may be evidence that a different colored animal is treated differently in a group of animals that share a similar color, these are just animals. They don’t have our developed minds.
I could be robbed or hurt by someone of a different color, but that doesn’t mean I need to hate everyone that shares that skin color. I can realize that there are millions of others out there and one or two bad personal experiences shouldn’t make me stereotype and hate that entire race. But it’s just easier to hate anyone for being a little different, even if it’s just skin color, religion, or some other stupid reason.[/quote]
I stated it was a bad analogy. I was using it to show that we need to categorize to survive. You missed the point of my post. I stated that to be belligerent based solely on skin color was a different thing, but to stereotype is good.
You are the one focused on color, I mean more in the way people act, carry themselves, activities they engage in.
Though I must say I didn’t like the way that Tim Wise guy speaks. He does that thing where he frequently speaks slower than necessary to let you know he’s making a point. I also think he learned oratory from some TV evangelist.
Like Tim Wise mentioned though, all throughout history, it isn’t like even ancient white civilizations all sang together in harmony. There has been war between people since Cain and Abel…and they were brothers. What Tim Wise was focusing on, however, was the continued social effects even into our current times where “races” are now divided simply because it helps those in true power keep EVERYONE subdued by even allowing one group to think it better than another based on skin color.
If a property value can go down based on the race of the family living in a house alone, there may be a problem.
That instance he spoke of about the law they tried to pass about only blood relatives being allowed to repopulate the area in New Orleans is really tragic. It is because of those social constraints that those same poor white people will stay poor…still thinking they are better than the same people across the river all because they are darker.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I stated it was a bad analogy. I was using it to show that we need to categorize to survive. You missed the point of my post. I stated that to be belligerent based solely on skin color was a different thing, but to stereotype is good.
You are the one focused on color, I mean more in the way people act, carry themselves, activities they engage in.
[/quote]No I got your point. But since this is a topic on race it came off as defending stereotyping people based on race and not necessarily on the way they act, carry themselves, activities they engage in. I still think it’s mostly BS. Why do we need to categorize other people to survive? I can kind of understand categorizing people based on the way they act and carry themselves, but stereotypes are never accurate when it comes to judging specific people. At least that’s what I think based on moving around a lot and meeting lots of different types of people.
