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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

Yes, it can be explained easily. First, a random white man from a “rural” area of the South is not representative of “White America”. Or did you forget that White America - yes, WHITE AMERICA, elected a black president most recently? He doesn’t get elected without the considerable white vote he received.

So a redneck in Texas refers to you as colored…is that news? He probably thought it was polite, as opposed to “nigger”. But he’s not representative of middle america and he’s certainly not represented in that room you speak of walking in as a professional.

And IF there is truly another white doctor “your size” I’m absolutely positive his reception is different than another white doctor who looks a bit more “typical” of a doctor. We judge people on appearance and it’s not necessarily racism X.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

I beliebe there is, since I am a racist. From my point of view, he did not attack a stanger, but a part from a group of people which hurt him.[/quote]

Eye for an eye means “you harm me, I’ll pay you back (or my brother/family/friends will” - pay not meaning disproportionate retribution - eye for an eye, not death for an eye.
Eye for an eye is a-ok. It’s justice at it’s finest.

But…
…let’s say a greek (not you) kills a chinese. Would you consider it justice if a bunch of chinese hacked you to pieces or killed your family, even though you had no relationship to the murderer?[/quote]

life, is not fair, as i am sure you know. the stronger survives. if they kill me good for them, then they will face the law. This is the reason we have laws. This is my last post on this thread, I dont have to make anyone like my opinion. My opinion is what it is. Racism is natural. Suck it up.[/quote]

Yeah well, stupidity seems be too and I am plenty used to sucking that up.

See, you should have made that argument all along, you dont like black people and kind of get it that some people want to beat them up.

No real reason, just your gut feeling.

Your attempts of making a point take away a lot from the only redeeming feature of your stance, the ideological purity of its idiocy.

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from a racist’s standpoint and ideology, is his logic any different than one gang attacking anyone from another gang in an act of retribution? shouldn’t retribution following our eye for eye logic be limited to the offender and not some random member of said gang? but we both know its not. whether it be traditional organized crime, city gangs, motorcycle gangs, et als, retribution is carried out against a group by another group…matters not that you are “innocent”, you are guilty by affiliation (and in the eyes of our admitted racist, you are guilty by your racial affiliation).

understand his ideology (no matter whether you agree or disagree), and you understand his logic. [/quote]

But if one member of a gang hurts me and I go after another at least I go after someone who joined voluntarily and supposedly knew what he was getting into.

Still kind of shitty, but at least it makes some sense.

If someone came after me just because some white retard I never have been or would have been associated with did stupid things I would seriously be pissed. [/quote]

I wasn’t defending the logic, only explaining it. Us. v. Them.

I don’t support any of that bullshit and I certainly do not support any violence against innocent people.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

Yes, it can be explained easily. First, a random white man from a “rural” area of the South is not representative of “White America”. Or did you forget that White America - yes, WHITE AMERICA, elected a black president most recently? He doesn’t get elected without the considerable white vote he received.

So a redneck in Texas refers to you as colored…is that news? He probably thought it was polite, as opposed to “nigger”. But he’s not representative of middle america and he’s certainly not represented in that room you speak of walking in as a professional.

And IF there is truly another white doctor “your size” I’m absolutely positive his reception is different than another white doctor who looks a bit more “typical” of a doctor. We judge people on appearance and it’s not necessarily racism X. [/quote]

WTF? This man wasn’t from a rural area. He was from North Houston. Secondly, I was specifically asked a question and gave a specific response. Why does this upset you that I CAN give an incidence of it that you can’t just explain away?

I also wrote many times that the experiences may be way less and my race my matter much less than it ever has in history in this country. That doesn’t change the fact that it happens and mentioning an instance of it doesn’t mean someone is dwelling on racism.

Why ask a question about what happens and then get mad when someone answers?

The other poster asked and got a response. You may need to ask yourself why it bothers you so much and why you need to imagine this man as being a “redneck” when I never said he was and never said he was from a rural area.

I think it makes it easier for you to think of him that way. I gave you minimal info about him at first other than what he said. It is funny how some of you come up with a whole persona for the man other than what was written.

That was ONE incident and recognizing that one incident doesn’t mean someone dwells on race.

The reaction is typical.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
X, for the most part, I think you are right about white racism.

Could you now please compare black racism to that?

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In what way? There is racism all over the world. What made it “special” here in this country was the mass effort against one race to not only create slaves but after freeing them, to not allow them to be seen as fully human for 200 years.

Maybe you should tell me how they measure up. I am not sure why you would be trying to do that, but maybe you have a point I am missing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

Yes, it can be explained easily. First, a random white man from a “rural” area of the South is not representative of “White America”. Or did you forget that White America - yes, WHITE AMERICA, elected a black president most recently? He doesn’t get elected without the considerable white vote he received.

So a redneck in Texas refers to you as colored…is that news? He probably thought it was polite, as opposed to “nigger”. But he’s not representative of middle america and he’s certainly not represented in that room you speak of walking in as a professional.

And IF there is truly another white doctor “your size” I’m absolutely positive his reception is different than another white doctor who looks a bit more “typical” of a doctor. We judge people on appearance and it’s not necessarily racism X. [/quote]

WTF? This man wasn’t from a rural area. He was from North Houston. Secondly, I was specifically asked a question and gave a specific response. Why does this upset you that I CAN give an incidence of it that you can’t just explain away?

I also wrote many times that the experiences may be way less and my race my matter much less than it ever has in history in this country. That doesn’t change the fact that it happens and mentioning an instance of it doesn’t mean someone is dwelling on racism.

Why ask a question about what happens and then get mad when someone answers?

The other poster asked and got a response. You may need to ask yourself why it bothers you so much and why you need to imagine this man as being a “redneck” when I never said he was and never said he was from a rural area.

I think it makes it easier for you to think of him that way. I gave you minimal info about him at first other than what he said. It is funny how some of you come up with a whole persona for the man other than what was written.

That was ONE incident and recognizing that one incident doesn’t mean someone dwells on race.

The reaction is typical.[/quote]

X, I’m not angry. I’m not upset about anything you wrote and as to your isolated incident I feel no special urging to explain it away. But I do know the South is a bit different than up here, and I acknowledge that. Whether he was a redneck, from a rural part of the State or a doctor from North Houston matters very little. Heck, you don’t know his family roots either. And I can’t “explain” it other than stupid, ignorant people exist.

My main point was that Whitey is not waiting around every corner (or in that fictional room you speak of) waiting to get you, and it’s likely the chip on your shoulder that people see has more to do with your perception of how others see you. From 2002 onward, two things about you are predictable; you’re making lifting progress, and you are sensitive about race.

And, I’m really not understanding your point about some random man who used the word colored. Is there a discussion to be had here? Is there a point to be made? Do you want to discuss race relations in a respectful way? If so, make a single point, and let’s all discuss it. Discussing some random guy from North Houston and a random personal encounter is not a serious starting point.

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? The point to be made was I was ASKED what I have experienced. I TOLD what I experienced. YOU then came in and acted like because I even mentioned it, that this means I have a chip on my shoulder. That makes no sense.

It is the usual response though. ANY TIME a black person seems to mention any racist act, the response seems to be to act as if that person sees racism everywhere.

I mentioned ONE incident because I was asked. Why you felt the need to jump in at all is a mystery.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
X, for the most part, I think you are right about white racism.

Could you now please compare black racism to that?

[/quote]

In what way? There is racism all over the world. What made it “special” here in this country was the mass effort against one race to not only create slaves but after freeing them, to not allow them to be seen as fully human for 200 years.

Maybe you should tell me how they measure up. I am not sure why you would be trying to do that, but maybe you have a point I am missing.[/quote]

First, there was no “mass effort”. It wasn’t fashionable for everyone to “own a nigger”. Slavery was mainly a southern thing, to work the cotton fields. It was a labor thing. A good chunk of the country fought to free slaves (whether under other pretext or not is irrelevant), and lost many lives doing it. Whether from a historical perspective the war was fought for slavery (among other things) or not, is irrelevant.

The fact is, if not for the considerable efforts of decent White people, you would not have equality today. And it’s those White people that largely represent America - not some doctor in North Houston that thinks you’re “colored”. It’s tiring and disappointing to see every discussion about slavery from a black perspective forget it was good White people that freed slaves and fought right along side them for equal rights over the ensuing years. If not for the assistance of decent White people, none of that would have occurred.

The fact is, most educated White people are pretty neutral about race and as I said earlier, THEY elected a black president, not you. The black vote is simply not large enough to elect anyone on their own. Finally, Africans were completely complicit and participant in slavery and slavery existed in other parts of the world. That out of the way…I have a few honest questions for you:

How does slavery affect you today? Last I checked, you were not denied college education, a professional license or credit and housing.

Why did you gloss over black racism and how does that culture of racism bode for the future of race relations? When an otherwise neutral white encounters the overt and open hostility seen in some black areas, do you think he’s itching to elect the next black president, or do you think it might push him in another direction, or at least to indifference (which does not help us get to where we need to be).

Your first comment “there is racism all over the world” seems dismissive of racism. Are we only to be concerned when it concerns racism against blacks in the US? Only when someone calls you colored?

And, do you acknowledge that there exist “stereotypes” and that stereotypes do not necessarily equal racism? That there is truth to stereotypes? And, that stereotyping is indeed unavoidable. Do you acknowledge that when the fat lady walks into that professional setting, that you yourself are judging her in some manner until you hear her speak and judge her qualifications?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
? The point to be made was I was ASKED what I have experienced. I TOLD what I experienced. YOU then came in and acted like because I even mentioned it, that this means I have a chip on my shoulder. That makes no sense.

It is the usual response though. ANY TIME a black person seems to mention any racist act, the response seems to be to act as if that person sees racism everywhere.

I mentioned ONE incident because I was asked. Why you felt the need to jump in at all is a mystery.[/quote]

You’re so angry. It’s a forum, and I commented. That’s what this place is.

And, I think if we put if up to a vote, honest people would acknowledge a perception of you having a chip on your shoulder when it comes to race. It would be a landslide. I’m stating the obvious, and believe it or not, I’m not “attacking” you. Race greatly concerns me too, but you’re too self-absorbed in your victim mentality, you do not even understand why it does, or who you’re really talking to. So, trust me, I’m not attacking you, or dismissing your feelings.

I think you do see racism just about everywhere. You’re always talking about it. Do you deny this? You’re as well known for your postings about race as you are your considerable contributions to training posts. Amiwrong?

Anyone here see it any different?

And, you still do not really reply to any valid point that anyone here has made. This is also typical of you and why I’m reluctant to engage you in any serious discussion. You respond to any challenge of your opinion as an opportunity to entrench and root yourself stubbornly in your position - not as an opportunity for honest discussion.

I know it’s GAL, but this is an opportunity for good discussion.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re so angry. It’s a forum, and I commented. That’s what this place is.
[/quote]

? Who is angry? What was written that makes you think I am angry at all?

If anything I am laughing at how scripted your response is.

LOL @ “angry” when nothing was written to even elude to anger.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

LOL @ “angry” when nothing was written to even elude to anger.[/quote]

I think you meant “allude” - to make indirect reference. Elude means to evade.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re so angry. It’s a forum, and I commented. That’s what this place is.
[/quote]

? Who is angry? What was written that makes you think I am angry at all?

If anything I am laughing at how scripted your response is.

LOL @ “angry” when nothing was written to even elude to anger.[/quote]

My response was “scripted”?

SMFH I gave you an earnest personal reply. Oh well, as goes most “discussions” with you, there goes this one.

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Finally watched the video. A few thoughts.

Neither of those “talking heads” has a future in broadcasting :slight_smile:

Each of those animals should be imprisoned locally to me, whereupon I can, at my leisure, pick a cell a day, and do my conditioning work. This conditioning work shall continue each day of my life until I can no longer do such conditioning work, or until they succumb to their cumulative injuries, whichever comes first. Hopefully, they fight back b/c I don’t want to waste a perfectly good conditioning session.

With judicious restraint on my part, and decent medical care, we can expect them to survive for weeks, maybe months if I keep my workouts in check. Of course, after a short while, they will “eat” a liquid diet and shit out of a bag and quality of life won’t be too high, but it would be justice.

A better solution (easier on tax payer funded medical care) would be the daily beatings to right before the point their battered bodies were near succumbing to death, whereupon we promptly, with much pomp, parade and fanfare, march their asses into the middle of the City where the crime was committed, in front of a crowd, in front of the media, and behead each of these bastards one by one. And we let THAT be the message to those that would do harm to innocent people.

Someone, please nominate me the “crime czar” and let me get to work on these animals, and others like them. And give me 5 years. See if the next wingnut thinks this kind of shit is a good idea.

Why should an inhumane killer receive a humane death?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Finally watched the video. A few thoughts.

Neither of those “talking heads” has a future in broadcasting :slight_smile:

Each of those animals should be imprisoned locally to me, whereupon I can, at my leisure, pick a cell a day, and do my conditioning work. This conditioning work shall continue each day of my life until I can no longer do such conditioning work, or until they succumb to their cumulative injuries, whichever comes first. Hopefully, they fight back b/c I don’t want to waste a perfectly good conditioning session.

With judicious restraint on my part, and decent medical care, we can expect them to survive for weeks, maybe months if I keep my workouts in check. Of course, after a short while, they will “eat” a liquid diet and shit out of a bag and quality of life won’t be too high, but it would be justice.

A better solution (easier on tax payer funded medical care) would be the daily beatings to right before the point their battered bodies were near succumbing to death, whereupon we promptly, with much pomp, parade and fanfare, march their asses into the middle of the City where the crime was committed, in front of a crowd, in front of the media, and behead each of these bastards one by one. And we let THAT be the message to those that would do harm to innocent people.

Someone, please nominate me the “crime czar” and let me get to work on these animals, and others like them. And give me 5 years. See if the next wingnut thinks this kind of shit is a good idea.

Why should an inhumane killer receive a humane death? [/quote]

Fuck I just wasted 15 seconds skimming that, and now a few more typing this out.

Masturbate on your own dude, no one needs to see it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

X, I am a firm believer in this type of theory, and I am a liberal and all as well, but don’t you think that your size has something to do with that as well?

If I was going to a new dentist for the first time and a guy the size of Jim Wendler walked through the door, I’d be like “Get the fuck outta here” just the same as I might be if you told me you were a dentist.

Now, I think if I would probably have the opposite reaction if it was a skinny, nerdy ass white guy, or a skinny, nerdy ass black guy that walked through the door… that would be more what I was expecting.

Now a huge ass Asian guy… my mind would be totally blown.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]p-dub wrote:
This is some very barbaric shit these young white youths did. death penalty or life without parole…

One thing I dont like about these cases are how they are labeled white on black crime equals <>

Black on white crime… mindless youth attacks or small very isolated incident not Racist even if it clesrly is.

Racism is strong on both sides lets have the media portray it that way…[/quote]

One could also argue that it’s racist that the fact that a black man was brutally murdered by white youths and it got no notice. It doesn’t matter whether white people did it to a black man, black people did it to a white man, Jews did it to an Arab, Turks did it to a Greek, Protestants did it to a Catholic, etc.

The point is that what they did was fucked up and they should be punished and people bringing race into it shows that their minds aren’t focused on the bigger picture that brutality is brutality regardless of the reason for the brutality, just as the reporter mentioned at the end of the clip.

I doubt the victim’s family gives a fuck what color the people that brutalized him were and what their reasons. The facts are a guy minding his own business is dead because of a group of assholes.[/quote]

…and THAT is the real issue. This racism issue didn’t come up in the thread where whites are the victims because that way, they focus on the larger picture. Here, race is what pops into mind because a black person is the victim. It is racism and it is embedded in society as a whole. It takes time for that to be gotten rid of.

People still see me as a “BLACK man”.

Let me know the moment society just sees me as a man.[/quote]

One more thing; I see you as a man, but at least here, you won’t let me forget you’re black. I know you’ll disagree, but ponder it first.[/quote]

LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

I had typed out a longer reply but I honestly think any discussion with you is pointless. I will say that racism exist in both directions, and blacks now are much more overt about it. I will also say that at least in this part of the country, you’re wrong about your walk into a room comment. And I’m not convinced it’s that much different in Houston. There’s much more that goes into the perception of a person than just race in a professional setting - your carriage, your clothes, your speech, your expression and yes, perhaps your size. As the white guy that sat in that fictional room you speak of, in 20 years we never talked about that “nigger” when he left the room. Never happened. Ever.

No, racism is not in your imagination. I didn’t imply or state that. I say your chances of being seen as a man are improved remarkably when you stop reminding us you’re black. It’s a victim mentality.

And as someone that navigates both worlds as much as anyone, no race is more overtly prejudiced as blacks. I’m really not impressed with the racism you describe either. Last I checked you were not precluded from higher education, a professional occupation, credit, etc. There are still those living among us that suffered from true racism. I get pulled over all the time too - is it b/c I’m black?

I’m not looking to argue, just interested in an honest dialogue. Can you do it?[/quote] Yes racism exists in both directions, yes in Houston a black guy in the room would be viewed as inferior regardless of education, dress, professionalism et cetera more often than would be believed. The mentality would be he is a “decent” black guy but still a black guy. I’m not endorsing this mentality.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Yes racism exists in both directions, yes in Houston a black guy in the room would be viewed as inferior regardless of education, dress, professionalism et cetera more often than would be believed. The mentality would be he is a “decent” black guy but still a black guy. I’m not endorsing this mentality.
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Well, I am sure he knows better than both of us…who live in this city.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Yes racism exists in both directions, yes in Houston a black guy in the room would be viewed as inferior regardless of education, dress, professionalism et cetera more often than would be believed. The mentality would be he is a “decent” black guy but still a black guy. I’m not endorsing this mentality.
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Well, I am sure he knows better than both of us…who live in this city.[/quote]

I’ll allow things are different in the South. But yet again, you’re not much for a discussion. It’s always obstinacy with you…you’re right, and no one else has a valid point if it doesn’t agree with yours.

FYI let me introduce you to a concept in my first sentence above; it’s called a “concession” - are you familiar with those? They are part of earnest meaningful discussion and exchanges of ideas.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Yes racism exists in both directions, yes in Houston a black guy in the room would be viewed as inferior regardless of education, dress, professionalism et cetera more often than would be believed. The mentality would be he is a “decent” black guy but still a black guy. I’m not endorsing this mentality.
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Well, I am sure he knows better than both of us…who live in this city.[/quote]
Yes of course, damn yankees. Some times people disregard things they just don’t want to believe which could be a good thing here. FWIW to the thread, I’m white. Scandinavian/German descent with blue eyes, blondish brown hair the whole aryan bit. I’m not just sympathizing with X. The sentiment is real.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]byukid wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]byukid wrote:
I think it’s odd that murdering someone because of their skin color is somehow worse than murdering someone because you’re an asshole.

Not saying anyone in this thread believes that, but if you do, go to hell.[/quote]

Being an asshole and being a racist, hate filled band of murderers isn’t the same.[/quote]

If you’re going to kill someone, killing them because of their skin color isn’t inherently worse than killing them for any other reason is all I’m saying. Hatred is hatred. Evil is evil. [/quote]

…and we live in a society with a very strong history that favored attacking a certain race more than any other IN THIS COUNTRY. No, that is why it isn’t just the same even though decades later when people quit acting surprised that a black man can be educated it probably will be.

I mean, honestly, until the OJ verdict, ANY TIME there was a black person involved with a crime, their race was posted in the headlines or on the news as opposed to if they were white. That has only recently changed which by itself can have an affect on society if all of the images seen publicly are negative.

This is about progression…and claiming the war is over early doesn’t make it so.

And, if that needs further explanation, just forget it.
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Holy shit, you dead lift?