White Teens Murder Black Man in MS

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[quote]p-dub wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]p-dub wrote:
This is some very barbaric shit these young white youths did. death penalty or life without parole…

One thing I dont like about these cases are how they are labeled white on black crime equals <>

Black on white crime… mindless youth attacks or small very isolated incident not Racist even if it clesrly is.

Racism is strong on both sides lets have the media portray it that way…[/quote]

One could also argue that it’s racist that the fact that a black man was brutally murdered by white youths and it got no notice. It doesn’t matter whether white people did it to a black man, black people did it to a white man, Jews did it to an Arab, Turks did it to a Greek, Protestants did it to a Catholic, etc.

The point is that what they did was fucked up and they should be punished and people bringing race into it shows that their minds aren’t focused on the bigger picture that brutality is brutality regardless of the reason for the brutality, just as the reporter mentioned at the end of the clip.

I doubt the victim’s family gives a fuck what color the people that brutalized him were and what their reasons. The facts are a guy minding his own business is dead because of a group of assholes.[/quote]

…and THAT is the real issue. This racism issue didn’t come up in the thread where whites are the victims because that way, they focus on the larger picture. Here, race is what pops into mind because a black person is the victim. It is racism and it is embedded in society as a whole. It takes time for that to be gotten rid of.

People still see me as a “BLACK man”.

Let me know the moment society just sees me as a man.[/quote]

Oh come on prox x!? Poor you being a “black man” when did this become about you?

[/quote]

What? This topic is about this tragedy…but issues about racism against blacks would concern me and other black people as well.

What the hell are you talking about?

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[quote]niksamaras wrote:
since I am a racist. [/quote]

Bravo sir (sincerely).

I give you all the credit in the world for admitting it, unlike some here who are, but deny or don’t know it. Can’t say I agree with your logic, but I do give credit to your honesty and self-awareness.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

I beliebe there is, since I am a racist. From my point of view, he did not attack a stanger, but a part from a group of people which hurt him.[/quote]

Eye for an eye means “you harm me, I’ll pay you back (or my brother/family/friends will” - pay not meaning disproportionate retribution - eye for an eye, not death for an eye.
Eye for an eye is a-ok. It’s justice at it’s finest.

But…
…let’s say a greek (not you) kills a chinese. Would you consider it justice if a bunch of chinese hacked you to pieces or killed your family, even though you had no relationship to the murderer?[/quote]

life, is not fair, as i am sure you know. the stronger survives. if they kill me good for them, then they will face the law. This is the reason we have laws. This is my last post on this thread, I dont have to make anyone like my opinion. My opinion is what it is. Racism is natural. Suck it up.[/quote]

Yeah well, stupidity seems be too and I am plenty used to sucking that up.

See, you should have made that argument all along, you dont like black people and kind of get it that some people want to beat them up.

No real reason, just your gut feeling.

Your attempts of making a point take away a lot from the only redeeming feature of your stance, the ideological purity of its idiocy.

[/quote]

from a racist’s standpoint and ideology, is his logic any different than one gang attacking anyone from another gang in an act of retribution? shouldn’t retribution following our eye for eye logic be limited to the offender and not some random member of said gang? but we both know its not. whether it be traditional organized crime, city gangs, motorcycle gangs, et als, retribution is carried out against a group by another group…matters not that you are “innocent”, you are guilty by affiliation (and in the eyes of our admitted racist, you are guilty by your racial affiliation).

understand his ideology (no matter whether you agree or disagree), and you understand his logic.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]p-dub wrote:
This is some very barbaric shit these young white youths did. death penalty or life without parole…

One thing I dont like about these cases are how they are labeled white on black crime equals <>

Black on white crime… mindless youth attacks or small very isolated incident not Racist even if it clesrly is.

Racism is strong on both sides lets have the media portray it that way…[/quote]

One could also argue that it’s racist that the fact that a black man was brutally murdered by white youths and it got no notice. It doesn’t matter whether white people did it to a black man, black people did it to a white man, Jews did it to an Arab, Turks did it to a Greek, Protestants did it to a Catholic, etc.

The point is that what they did was fucked up and they should be punished and people bringing race into it shows that their minds aren’t focused on the bigger picture that brutality is brutality regardless of the reason for the brutality, just as the reporter mentioned at the end of the clip.

I doubt the victim’s family gives a fuck what color the people that brutalized him were and what their reasons. The facts are a guy minding his own business is dead because of a group of assholes.[/quote]

…and THAT is the real issue. This racism issue didn’t come up in the thread where whites are the victims because that way, they focus on the larger picture. Here, race is what pops into mind because a black person is the victim. It is racism and it is embedded in society as a whole. It takes time for that to be gotten rid of.

People still see me as a “BLACK man”.

Let me know the moment society just sees me as a man.[/quote]

I can answer that.

When YOU (and others) see yourself as a man or a woman.

I can tell you right now, I don’t see myself as a “white man” but there is little doubt you are very aware that you are a “black man”. You remind us all the time, so it’s very hard to believe you don’t carry this with you IRL.

I’m not saying you don’t have a point, so don’t get all offended. Part of it is “society” and part of it is self-inflicted. They are equal parts to a complex problem.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]p-dub wrote:
This is some very barbaric shit these young white youths did. death penalty or life without parole…

One thing I dont like about these cases are how they are labeled white on black crime equals <>

Black on white crime… mindless youth attacks or small very isolated incident not Racist even if it clesrly is.

Racism is strong on both sides lets have the media portray it that way…[/quote]

One could also argue that it’s racist that the fact that a black man was brutally murdered by white youths and it got no notice. It doesn’t matter whether white people did it to a black man, black people did it to a white man, Jews did it to an Arab, Turks did it to a Greek, Protestants did it to a Catholic, etc.

The point is that what they did was fucked up and they should be punished and people bringing race into it shows that their minds aren’t focused on the bigger picture that brutality is brutality regardless of the reason for the brutality, just as the reporter mentioned at the end of the clip.

I doubt the victim’s family gives a fuck what color the people that brutalized him were and what their reasons. The facts are a guy minding his own business is dead because of a group of assholes.[/quote]

…and THAT is the real issue. This racism issue didn’t come up in the thread where whites are the victims because that way, they focus on the larger picture. Here, race is what pops into mind because a black person is the victim. It is racism and it is embedded in society as a whole. It takes time for that to be gotten rid of.

People still see me as a “BLACK man”.

Let me know the moment society just sees me as a man.[/quote]

One more thing; I see you as a man, but at least here, you won’t let me forget you’re black. I know you’ll disagree, but ponder it first.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]p-dub wrote:
This is some very barbaric shit these young white youths did. death penalty or life without parole…

One thing I dont like about these cases are how they are labeled white on black crime equals <>

Black on white crime… mindless youth attacks or small very isolated incident not Racist even if it clesrly is.

Racism is strong on both sides lets have the media portray it that way…[/quote]

One could also argue that it’s racist that the fact that a black man was brutally murdered by white youths and it got no notice. It doesn’t matter whether white people did it to a black man, black people did it to a white man, Jews did it to an Arab, Turks did it to a Greek, Protestants did it to a Catholic, etc.

The point is that what they did was fucked up and they should be punished and people bringing race into it shows that their minds aren’t focused on the bigger picture that brutality is brutality regardless of the reason for the brutality, just as the reporter mentioned at the end of the clip.

I doubt the victim’s family gives a fuck what color the people that brutalized him were and what their reasons. The facts are a guy minding his own business is dead because of a group of assholes.[/quote]

…and THAT is the real issue. This racism issue didn’t come up in the thread where whites are the victims because that way, they focus on the larger picture. Here, race is what pops into mind because a black person is the victim. It is racism and it is embedded in society as a whole. It takes time for that to be gotten rid of.

People still see me as a “BLACK man”.

Let me know the moment society just sees me as a man.[/quote]

One more thing; I see you as a man, but at least here, you won’t let me forget you’re black. I know you’ll disagree, but ponder it first.[/quote]

LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.

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Just don’t fuck with the wrong black man.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.

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X, I certainly respect your opinion, I don’t necessarily agree that your comment has a place in this dialogue however. My comment were simply about 2 instances that happened very recently, both were very obvious in being hate and race fueled and only one being labeled as such.

My main issue is with the media and their misguided and fear based reporting…fear in the sense that they (the media) do not want to look racist when a racist act is committed against the majority. This happens very often in New York City.

I dont know if your “pissed” comment is for me, but I don’t think there was any vitriol in what I said, Im just giving my opinion, there really isn’t any reason for me to be pissed.

Oh and BTW I certainly dont consider myself a racist, but do I have certain prejudices, of course. I see race all the time, I have no problem with admitting that, it is a learned behavior, growing up as a white Jew in a predominantly minority area has certainly shaped my ideas on groups of people.

I do also recognize the error in thinking that way, and fight the temptation to have preconceived notions of people and has helped me grow as a person.

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

I beliebe there is, since I am a racist. From my point of view, he did not attack a stanger, but a part from a group of people which hurt him.[/quote]

Eye for an eye means “you harm me, I’ll pay you back (or my brother/family/friends will” - pay not meaning disproportionate retribution - eye for an eye, not death for an eye.
Eye for an eye is a-ok. It’s justice at it’s finest.

But…
…let’s say a greek (not you) kills a chinese. Would you consider it justice if a bunch of chinese hacked you to pieces or killed your family, even though you had no relationship to the murderer?[/quote]

life, is not fair, as i am sure you know. the stronger survives. if they kill me good for them, then they will face the law. This is the reason we have laws. This is my last post on this thread, I dont have to make anyone like my opinion. My opinion is what it is. Racism is natural. Suck it up.[/quote]

Yeah well, stupidity seems be too and I am plenty used to sucking that up.

See, you should have made that argument all along, you dont like black people and kind of get it that some people want to beat them up.

No real reason, just your gut feeling.

Your attempts of making a point take away a lot from the only redeeming feature of your stance, the ideological purity of its idiocy.

[/quote]

from a racist’s standpoint and ideology, is his logic any different than one gang attacking anyone from another gang in an act of retribution? shouldn’t retribution following our eye for eye logic be limited to the offender and not some random member of said gang? but we both know its not. whether it be traditional organized crime, city gangs, motorcycle gangs, et als, retribution is carried out against a group by another group…matters not that you are “innocent”, you are guilty by affiliation (and in the eyes of our admitted racist, you are guilty by your racial affiliation).

understand his ideology (no matter whether you agree or disagree), and you understand his logic. [/quote]

But if one member of a gang hurts me and I go after another at least I go after someone who joined voluntarily and supposedly knew what he was getting into.

Still kind of shitty, but at least it makes some sense.

If someone came after me just because some white retard I never have been or would have been associated with did stupid things I would seriously be pissed.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

What is there to explain away?

I am pretty sure that a man of his generation would have found other words if he had wanted to offend you.

If I wanted to point you out to someone in a crowd I would also go for “See the ginormous black guy? Yeah, that one” instead of “see the dentist standing over there”

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

What is there to explain away?

I am pretty sure that a man of his generation would have found other words if he had wanted to offend you.

If I wanted to point you out to someone in a crowd I would also go for “See the ginormous black guy? Yeah, that one” instead of “see the dentist standing over there” [/quote]

? How often do you walk in and exclaim what race your doc is?

What are you talking about? He wasn’t talking to someone else. the issue is if race is an issue…and if someone walks in and makes race the issue, then obviously it is.

LOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

What is there to explain away?

I am pretty sure that a man of his generation would have found other words if he had wanted to offend you.

If I wanted to point you out to someone in a crowd I would also go for “See the ginormous black guy? Yeah, that one” instead of “see the dentist standing over there” [/quote]

? How often do you walk in and exclaim what race your doc is?

What are you talking about? He wasn’t talking to someone else. the issue is if race is an issue…and if someone walks in and makes race the issue, then obviously it is.

LOL[/quote]

Dude, this guy probably was brought up in a world where you called grown men “boy” and hunted them for sport if they tried to vote.

If he is only mildly surprised that his doctor is “colored” he has come a very, very long way.

Give him some credit because if the US are different than they were it is not because black people changed but because people like him changed.

Also, he is 70, he can say whatever the fuck he wants.

When I am 70 I will flat out say whatever goes through my head, paying no mind whatsoever what some little runt thinks about it.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

What is there to explain away?

I am pretty sure that a man of his generation would have found other words if he had wanted to offend you.

If I wanted to point you out to someone in a crowd I would also go for “See the ginormous black guy? Yeah, that one” instead of “see the dentist standing over there” [/quote]

? How often do you walk in and exclaim what race your doc is?

What are you talking about? He wasn’t talking to someone else. the issue is if race is an issue…and if someone walks in and makes race the issue, then obviously it is.

LOL[/quote]

Dude, this guy probably was brought up in a world where you called grown men “boy” and hunted them for sport if they tried to vote.

If he is only mildly surprised that his doctor is “colored” he has come a very, very long way.

Give him some credit because if the US are different than they were it is not because black people changed but because people like him changed.

Also, he is 70, he can say whatever the fuck he wants.

When I am 70 I will flat out say whatever goes through my head, paying no mind whatsoever what some little runt thinks about it.

[/quote]

Boy, you sure assumed a lot to get that guy off the hook.

Want to know the real deal? He was another DENTIST who had been practicing for the last 40 years. This was a man who flat out told me he only saw white patients.

Yes, I am laughing at how far you all go to explain this shit away. It is truly hilarious.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

What is there to explain away?

I am pretty sure that a man of his generation would have found other words if he had wanted to offend you.

If I wanted to point you out to someone in a crowd I would also go for “See the ginormous black guy? Yeah, that one” instead of “see the dentist standing over there” [/quote]

? How often do you walk in and exclaim what race your doc is?

What are you talking about? He wasn’t talking to someone else. the issue is if race is an issue…and if someone walks in and makes race the issue, then obviously it is.

LOL[/quote]

Dude, this guy probably was brought up in a world where you called grown men “boy” and hunted them for sport if they tried to vote.

If he is only mildly surprised that his doctor is “colored” he has come a very, very long way.

Give him some credit because if the US are different than they were it is not because black people changed but because people like him changed.

Also, he is 70, he can say whatever the fuck he wants.

When I am 70 I will flat out say whatever goes through my head, paying no mind whatsoever what some little runt thinks about it.

[/quote]

Boy, you sure assumed a lot to get that guy off the hook.

Want to know the real deal? He was another DENTIST who had been practicing for the last 40 years. This was a man who flat out told me he only saw white patients.

Yes, I am laughing at how far you all go to explain this shit away. It is truly hilarious.[/quote]

Ok, thats fucked.

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No, go ahead and keep assuming. That is what always happens. A black guy mentions an incident and then the board is filled with alternative universes where it must be something else.

LOL. This was a professional…still using the word “colored”…in 2011. Yeah, explain that away.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
No, go ahead and keep assuming. That is what always happens. A black guy mentions an incident and then the board is filled with alternative universes where it must be something else.

LOL. This was a professional…still using the word “colored”…in 2011. Yeah, explain that away.[/quote]

Oh please.

You keep adding to the story as it goes along and people change their opinions with new facts and details.

Maybe not all of them, the reality based community at least makes an effort.

If you wait for every last fucktard to wise up before you chillax a bit you will explode a vessel in your brain before you hit 50.

You know that high blood pressure is waaaayyyy more dangerous for black men than for any other race, right?

Its science.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

Serious question - how much of that do you think comes from being black vs. how you look? I know I would not expect a doctor of any skin color to be 250+ lbs with a 56+ inch chest and 20+ inch arms. I would imagine a white guy of similar build would illicit a similar response.

If you looked like Urkel I doubt people would be as shocked that you have a medical degree.[/quote]

Good question…but I have worked with another doc who was my size who was white and yes, there is a difference. Today, I would say it isn’t much aside from very rural areas. I had one guy call me colored once but he was in his 70’s.

Let me know the moment someone calls you “whitey” or your doctor and be dead serious.

Colored is something I had only heard in documentaries until then…and there was no reason for him to exclaim my “color” in the first place.

But I am sure you all can explain that away easily…[/quote]

When I was younger my basketball team made it to the state tournament. We were just about the only white kids there, and I was called a white devil, cracker, honkey, etc. countless times. There are ignorant retards in both groups.

Quit acting like your plight is so difficult that the rest of us can never understand. I agree with what Bodyguard said, you make race into a bigger issue than it is. Being a “black man” is a huge part of your identity and you project it into every single situation.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]p-dub wrote:
This is some very barbaric shit these young white youths did. death penalty or life without parole…

One thing I dont like about these cases are how they are labeled white on black crime equals <>

Black on white crime… mindless youth attacks or small very isolated incident not Racist even if it clesrly is.

Racism is strong on both sides lets have the media portray it that way…[/quote]

One could also argue that it’s racist that the fact that a black man was brutally murdered by white youths and it got no notice. It doesn’t matter whether white people did it to a black man, black people did it to a white man, Jews did it to an Arab, Turks did it to a Greek, Protestants did it to a Catholic, etc.

The point is that what they did was fucked up and they should be punished and people bringing race into it shows that their minds aren’t focused on the bigger picture that brutality is brutality regardless of the reason for the brutality, just as the reporter mentioned at the end of the clip.

I doubt the victim’s family gives a fuck what color the people that brutalized him were and what their reasons. The facts are a guy minding his own business is dead because of a group of assholes.[/quote]

…and THAT is the real issue. This racism issue didn’t come up in the thread where whites are the victims because that way, they focus on the larger picture. Here, race is what pops into mind because a black person is the victim. It is racism and it is embedded in society as a whole. It takes time for that to be gotten rid of.

People still see me as a “BLACK man”.

Let me know the moment society just sees me as a man.[/quote]

One more thing; I see you as a man, but at least here, you won’t let me forget you’re black. I know you’ll disagree, but ponder it first.[/quote]

LOL. Yes, racism exists because blacks believe in something that does not exist.

Dude, when I walk into the room professionally, you would be wrong to believe my race is a non-issue and that I get the same stereotypical mental response as a white professional of the same career and age. I didn’t make that up and I’m not seeing things. It may not matter much, but quit fooling yourself.[/quote]

I had typed out a longer reply but I honestly think any discussion with you is pointless. I will say that racism exist in both directions, and blacks now are much more overt about it. I will also say that at least in this part of the country, you’re wrong about your walk into a room comment. And I’m not convinced it’s that much different in Houston. There’s much more that goes into the perception of a person than just race in a professional setting - your carriage, your clothes, your speech, your expression and yes, perhaps your size. As the white guy that sat in that fictional room you speak of, in 20 years we never talked about that “nigger” when he left the room. Never happened. Ever.

No, racism is not in your imagination. I didn’t imply or state that. I say your chances of being seen as a man are improved remarkably when you stop reminding us you’re black. It’s a victim mentality.

And as someone that navigates both worlds as much as anyone, no race is more overtly prejudiced as blacks. I’m really not impressed with the racism you describe either. Last I checked you were not precluded from higher education, a professional occupation, credit, etc. There are still those living among us that suffered from true racism. I get pulled over all the time too - is it b/c I’m black?

I’m not looking to argue, just interested in an honest dialogue. Can you do it?