White Teens Murder Black Man in MS

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:
After watching the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs footage I’m no longer shocked by the extremes we animals will go to to kill for sport, but I am disgusted by the leniency and coddling our society promotes these days. Rioters, assault rifle wielding ‘kids’, truckloads of white guys hunting down solitary targets? Fucking hang them all. They don’t deserve any fucking right to live in our society.

To Nik above…did you seriously just state that you believe if one of their family members was raped or mugged or murdered that they would’ve been justified in their attack on a random black guy?[/quote]

not justified exactly, but then again not wrong either. as i said, there is no right or wrong. They were in some way hurt from a black guy, so they thought taking revenge from a random black guy. they knew the probable consequences.
[/quote]
Are you fucking kidding? How is murdering a person “not wrong”?[/quote]

God dammit. Here I am talking about living in harmony and accepting people for who they are and you go and quote me wanting to hang everybody…

=D

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I’d like to see a poll for European countries like Spain, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Finland, etc.
The question would be “Do you like gypsies?”.

I bet the “yes” would be under 10%.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

As I’ve written before, an assumption of racism on the part of the other is, in itself, racist.[/quote]

Sorry but this is bullshit. There has to a be an advantage for racism to occur. An oppressed group telling others that they are being oppressed is not racism. No matter the tone or description given. The minority lacks the influence to impose racism. I don’t think that I have every heard African Americans preaching superiority of their race when this bullshit dismissive comment comes out form the white side. They are fighting for equality there for it is not racist. [/quote]
This is simply wrong. Racism is a mindset. Anyone can be racist. What you are reaching for is that a person needs to be in a position of power to practice discrimination. This is arguably true, but the vast majority of people in the U.S. anyway have about the same power and resources. The top tenth of a percent of the U.S. population holds most of the wealth and everyone else is pretty much in the same position. Racism, sexism, homophobia etc. are mindsets encouraged by those in power to help maintain their control and foster an environment that maintains the status quo. [/quote]

Ok. I will agree that I was describing racial discrimination, but racism typically requires a notion of superiority of one race over another, which is not something I hear coming from African Americans. I will have to disagree that everyone has the same power and resources. I have worked for companies and once elevated to manager level, I have then been informed of rules regarding hiring certain people for both their race and or sexual preference. As a white male I have been assumed to agree with these types of practices just based on my skin color. You do not find minorities holding an equal level of managerial positions as whites in most any industry. I do agree with your last statement that their is something to be gained by a few by perpetuating this mindset among the many. The question is why are so many not willing to acknowledge this?[/quote]

There is so much wrong with the above.

If you don’t hear notion of superiority coming from blacks, you need to get out more.

To just state “you disagree” and then offer a personal anecdote is not a rebuttal. Tell us exactly why we do not share the same relative resources.

You don’t find the same amount of minorities holding positions of management b/c by the very definition - “minority” they will largely be underrepresented in terms of qualified candidates as compared to the majority. Furthermore, I believe there are actual differences in the mean educational level between the two races. So, by virtue of being a “minority”, you might have 9 white qualified candidates for a job for every black that passes thru the door. This is not intended to deny racism exists, only that the algebra isn’t always so simple.

I spent 17 years of my life in management and not once did we have a whitey only meeting and talk about how we can’t hire the next black guy. Management is generally delighted to find a fucking qualified candidate that will do the fucking job.
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BG, I agree with you in that mgmt is looking for “the qualified candidate” but I will say that your personal beliefs and hobbies will help you “like” a candidate because you have something in common. While it may not be an intended prejudice it does still impact the candidates. And yes its a black and white thing because we are culturally diffent.

FYI - if I’ve taken your post out of context I apologize as I can’t read through all the BS on this thread.

edited.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

There is so much wrong with the above.

If you don’t hear notion of superiority coming from blacks, you need to get out more.

To just state “you disagree” and then offer a personal anecdote is not a rebuttal. Tell us exactly why we do not share the same relative resources.

You don’t find the same amount of minorities holding positions of management b/c by the very definition - “minority” they will largely be underrepresented in terms of qualified candidates as compared to the majority. Furthermore, I believe there are actual differences in the mean educational level between the two races. So, by virtue of being a “minority”, you might have 9 white qualified candidates for a job for every black that passes thru the door. This is not intended to deny racism exists, only that the algebra isn’t always so simple.

I spent 17 years of my life in management and not once did we have a whitey only meeting and talk about how we can’t hire the next black guy. Management is generally delighted to find a fucking qualified candidate that will do the fucking job.
[/quote]

Funny how you use a personal antidote as a rebuttal to my antidote while telling me that is not sufficient. Just saying…

Anyway, I honestly don’t think that we are in disagreement. I agree that population size is different and that based on that alone you will always have far more whites than blacks in management positions. However I know that if you look at the statistics based on percentage of that population represented in managerial positions it would show a vastly different story.

Your point about qualification could be true, and I will look into it, but doesn’t it just by the very virtue of the statement then imply that there must be a discrepancy in access to resources? I’ll agree that much has been done to address this issue in the last 10yrs and honestly the pendulum as it often does may have over swung in the way of student loan access, but for everyone not just minorities.

Most white families until recently identified themselves as middle class. With the economy over the last few years it is known to all that the middle class is shrinking, meaning more and more whites are finding themselves in the same positions so many minorities have been in for decades. The fights and struggles that many of these predominately minority based communities have been facing are about to hit many more white Americans then ever before. We have possibly dismissed them not because of race but because of social issues found in the groups like drugs, abuse, crime, divorce, poverty, ect. However these are becoming a reality for a growing segment of middle america. Listening and working to solve the discrepancies for minorities, which to me are more about economic access is an existential way to ensure the security of all races. Don’t take this to mean hand outs or socialism, but figure out a way to ensure that they do have on a percentage bases as many qualified candidates for job positions. Otherwise you have to acknowledge that this demonstrates that there is a disadvantage to just being black/poor. Which means there is an advantage to being white/wealthy.

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

As I’ve written before, an assumption of racism on the part of the other is, in itself, racist.[/quote]

Sorry but this is bullshit. There has to a be an advantage for racism to occur. An oppressed group telling others that they are being oppressed is not racism. No matter the tone or description given. The minority lacks the influence to impose racism. I don’t think that I have every heard African Americans preaching superiority of their race when this bullshit dismissive comment comes out form the white side. They are fighting for equality there for it is not racist. [/quote]
This is simply wrong. Racism is a mindset. Anyone can be racist. What you are reaching for is that a person needs to be in a position of power to practice discrimination. This is arguably true, but the vast majority of people in the U.S. anyway have about the same power and resources. The top tenth of a percent of the U.S. population holds most of the wealth and everyone else is pretty much in the same position. Racism, sexism, homophobia etc. are mindsets encouraged by those in power to help maintain their control and foster an environment that maintains the status quo. [/quote]

Ok. I will agree that I was describing racial discrimination, but racism typically requires a notion of superiority of one race over another, which is not something I hear coming from African Americans. I will have to disagree that everyone has the same power and resources. I have worked for companies and once elevated to manager level, I have then been informed of rules regarding hiring certain people for both their race and or sexual preference. As a white male I have been assumed to agree with these types of practices just based on my skin color. You do not find minorities holding an equal level of managerial positions as whites in most any industry. I do agree with your last statement that their is something to be gained by a few by perpetuating this mindset among the many. The question is why are so many not willing to acknowledge this?[/quote]

There is so much wrong with the above.

If you don’t hear notion of superiority coming from blacks, you need to get out more.

To just state “you disagree” and then offer a personal anecdote is not a rebuttal. Tell us exactly why we do not share the same relative resources.

You don’t find the same amount of minorities holding positions of management b/c by the very definition - “minority” they will largely be underrepresented in terms of qualified candidates as compared to the majority. Furthermore, I believe there are actual differences in the mean educational level between the two races. So, by virtue of being a “minority”, you might have 9 white qualified candidates for a job for every black that passes thru the door. This is not intended to deny racism exists, only that the algebra isn’t always so simple.

I spent 17 years of my life in management and not once did we have a whitey only meeting and talk about how we can’t hire the next black guy. Management is generally delighted to find a fucking qualified candidate that will do the fucking job.
[/quote]

BG, I agree with you in that mgmt is looking for “the qualified candidate” but I will say that your personal beliefs and hobbies will help you “like” a candidate because you have something in common. While it may not be an intended prejudice it does still impact the candidates. And yes its a black and white thing because we are culturally diffent.

FYI - if I’ve taken your post out of context I apologize as I can’t read through all the BS on this thread.

edited.[/quote]

Your reply is fairly brief so I don’t know if you’ve taken anything out of context, and yes there is a lot of BS in this thread. That said, you have a valid point but it has nothing to do with racism. Of course we all gravitate toward those with something in common - it’s why the best jobs are landed on referal and why lots of corporate types play golf even if they don’t like it. Having something in common aside, lots of corporations are looking for a particular “fit” - as in, do you fit in with the company culture.

For the record, I’m not denying racism exists. That’s just silly. But if someone paid the fuck attention, they’d realize I have a unique perspective on racism based on actual life experience. I might just have a perspective worth considering :slight_smile:

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[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

There is so much wrong with the above.

If you don’t hear notion of superiority coming from blacks, you need to get out more.

To just state “you disagree” and then offer a personal anecdote is not a rebuttal. Tell us exactly why we do not share the same relative resources.

You don’t find the same amount of minorities holding positions of management b/c by the very definition - “minority” they will largely be underrepresented in terms of qualified candidates as compared to the majority. Furthermore, I believe there are actual differences in the mean educational level between the two races. So, by virtue of being a “minority”, you might have 9 white qualified candidates for a job for every black that passes thru the door. This is not intended to deny racism exists, only that the algebra isn’t always so simple.

I spent 17 years of my life in management and not once did we have a whitey only meeting and talk about how we can’t hire the next black guy. Management is generally delighted to find a fucking qualified candidate that will do the fucking job.
[/quote]

Funny how you use a personal antidote as a rebuttal to my antidote while telling me that is not sufficient. Just saying…

Anyway, I honestly don’t think that we are in disagreement. I agree that population size is different and that based on that alone you will always have far more whites than blacks in management positions. However I know that if you look at the statistics based on percentage of that population represented in managerial positions it would show a vastly different story.

Your point about qualification could be true, and I will look into it, but doesn’t it just by the very virtue of the statement then imply that there must be a discrepancy in access to resources? I’ll agree that much has been done to address this issue in the last 10yrs and honestly the pendulum as it often does may have over swung in the way of student loan access, but for everyone not just minorities.

Most white families until recently identified themselves as middle class. With the economy over the last few years it is known to all that the middle class is shrinking, meaning more and more whites are finding themselves in the same positions so many minorities have been in for decades. The fights and struggles that many of these predominately minority based communities have been facing are about to hit many more white Americans then ever before. We have possibly dismissed them not because of race but because of social issues found in the groups like drugs, abuse, crime, divorce, poverty, ect. However these are becoming a reality for a growing segment of middle america. Listening and working to solve the discrepancies for minorities, which to me are more about economic access is an existential way to ensure the security of all races. Don’t take this to mean hand outs or socialism, but figure out a way to ensure that they do have on a percentage bases as many qualified candidates for job positions. Otherwise you have to acknowledge that this demonstrates that there is a disadvantage to just being black/poor. Which means there is an advantage to being white/wealthy.

[/quote]

I’m not sure my reply was anecdotal given my considerable management experience with multiple companies, in multiple settings and moreover, my unique experience with race. But to reply further…

First, is there an uneven distribution or access to resources? Good question. Maybe. I could be inclined to agree, but I’m not sure it explains the under-representation. I also think there are social issues at play. We still have black kids running around our cities that think it’s “acting white” to be smart. I can go to one of the poorest cities in the U.S. (Camden NJ) and tell you that they have access. Do they have the same “access” and resources as their white (and black) neighbors in Cherry Hill, NJ? No. But they do have access and college is available to them - but I think the cultural and social issues are a bigger hurdle than actual “access”. The Camden NJ school system sends countless kids to higher education, yet it doesn’t explain why the graduating class does not contain as many young men as it did when it entered school. So, it’s a complex problem. But is it an issue of racism?

I can agree with most of your closing paragraph. But I think it’s more a socioeconomic issue at not necessarily always race. Poor whites don’t fare much better, and they certainly do not comport themselves any better socially.

I fully agree we’re all in this together and that if anyone is suffering, we will all suffer in some manner. Some form of socialism might be the only way to fix it. I’m not against fixing it, I’m against throwing money at it blindly. It has to start with the very young kids, while they still have a chance, with a commensurate effort on their parents. I believe they were doing something like this in Harlem and it was working.

I knew there was a better dialogue to have here other than the prior bullshit.

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[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

Funny how you use a personal antidote as a rebuttal to my antidote while telling me that is not sufficient. Just saying…

[/quote]

I’ve got an anecdote for your personal anectdote while you’re busy coming up with an anecdote…or something like that. LOL

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

Funny how you use a personal antidote as a rebuttal to my antidote while telling me that is not sufficient. Just saying…

[/quote]

I’ve got an anecdote for your personal anectdote while you’re busy coming up with an anecdote…or something like that. LOL[/quote]

I lived in Berkeley heights, NJ or Berkley whites as we called it, and went to union county college for 2 semesters. I can tell you that the majority of the students taking advantage of that education were black and hispanic. I bet white students make up less then 20%. I also worked in Summit Nj at the grand summit hotel and heard constantly from my black co-workers how they were stopped by the police on the way to work just to see what they were doing, no sitations being issued. God for bid they were giving a hispanic coworker a ride through summit they would call the K9 unit. Nj is so segregated that it is uncomfortable. I use to go to house parties in Elizabeth with my cuban friends and the white people I knew thought that was crazy.

I guess that I need to clarify that I do not think this is about racism or that the issue of white privleage implies racism by whites. My fear, and I am seeing it play out on many levels, is that in times of economic turmoil racism becomes popular among the poor and struggling as a way to explain their hardship. We are seeing policy, especially in the public schools, that are going to effect lower income families. i agree it will be irregardless of color. These are not new issues but they will be new for many whites. I see the writing on the wall that as many americans already dismiss the struggles of minorities that they will be able to rationalize the struggle of the poor regardless of their race. they just deserve what they have, or don’t have. I can tell you in academia at the college level, especially in research, there is alot of racist talk openly about dislike for the chinese.

I dont think throwing money at the problem is going to solve it either. I do think you are right that helping kids while they are young will have the biggest impact. I am aware, as you maybe, that schools continue to get hit with cut backs and privatization of expenses. While many in america can afford to pick up the difference on these things, the poor are dispraportionatly effected.

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[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

Funny how you use a personal antidote as a rebuttal to my antidote while telling me that is not sufficient. Just saying…

[/quote]

I’ve got an anecdote for your personal anectdote while you’re busy coming up with an anecdote…or something like that. LOL[/quote]

I lived in Berkeley heights, NJ or Berkley whites as we called it, and went to union county college for 2 semesters. I can tell you that the majority of the students taking advantage of that education were black and hispanic. I bet white students make up less then 20%. I also worked in Summit Nj at the grand summit hotel and heard constantly from my black co-workers how they were stopped by the police on the way to work just to see what they were doing, no sitations being issued. God for bid they were giving a hispanic coworker a ride through summit they would call the K9 unit. Nj is so segregated that it is uncomfortable. I use to go to house parties in Elizabeth with my cuban friends and the white people I knew thought that was crazy.

I guess that I need to clarify that I do not think this is about racism or that the issue of white privleage implies racism by whites. My fear, and I am seeing it play out on many levels, is that in times of economic turmoil racism becomes popular among the poor and struggling as a way to explain their hardship. We are seeing policy, especially in the public schools, that are going to effect lower income families. i agree it will be irregardless of color. These are not new issues but they will be new for many whites. I see the writing on the wall that as many americans already dismiss the struggles of minorities that they will be able to rationalize the struggle of the poor regardless of their race. they just deserve what they have, or don’t have. I can tell you in academia at the college level, especially in research, there is alot of racist talk openly about dislike for the chinese.

I dont think throwing money at the problem is going to solve it either. I do think you are right that helping kids while they are young will have the biggest impact. I am aware as you maybe, that schools continue to get hit with cut backs and privatization of expenses. While many in america can afford to pick up the difference on these things, the poor are dispraportionatly effected.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

As I’ve written before, an assumption of racism on the part of the other is, in itself, racist.[/quote]

Sorry but this is bullshit. There has to a be an advantage for racism to occur. An oppressed group telling others that they are being oppressed is not racism. No matter the tone or description given. The minority lacks the influence to impose racism. I don’t think that I have every heard African Americans preaching superiority of their race when this bullshit dismissive comment comes out form the white side. They are fighting for equality there for it is not racist. [/quote]
This is simply wrong. Racism is a mindset. Anyone can be racist. What you are reaching for is that a person needs to be in a position of power to practice discrimination. This is arguably true, but the vast majority of people in the U.S. anyway have about the same power and resources. The top tenth of a percent of the U.S. population holds most of the wealth and everyone else is pretty much in the same position. Racism, sexism, homophobia etc. are mindsets encouraged by those in power to help maintain their control and foster an environment that maintains the status quo. [/quote]

Ok. I will agree that I was describing racial discrimination, but racism typically requires a notion of superiority of one race over another, which is not something I hear coming from African Americans. I will have to disagree that everyone has the same power and resources. I have worked for companies and once elevated to manager level, I have then been informed of rules regarding hiring certain people for both their race and or sexual preference. As a white male I have been assumed to agree with these types of practices just based on my skin color. You do not find minorities holding an equal level of managerial positions as whites in most any industry. I do agree with your last statement that their is something to be gained by a few by perpetuating this mindset among the many. The question is why are so many not willing to acknowledge this?[/quote]

There is so much wrong with the above.

If you don’t hear notion of superiority coming from blacks, you need to get out more.

To just state “you disagree” and then offer a personal anecdote is not a rebuttal. Tell us exactly why we do not share the same relative resources.

You don’t find the same amount of minorities holding positions of management b/c by the very definition - “minority” they will largely be underrepresented in terms of qualified candidates as compared to the majority. Furthermore, I believe there are actual differences in the mean educational level between the two races. So, by virtue of being a “minority”, you might have 9 white qualified candidates for a job for every black that passes thru the door. This is not intended to deny racism exists, only that the algebra isn’t always so simple.

I spent 17 years of my life in management and not once did we have a whitey only meeting and talk about how we can’t hire the next black guy. Management is generally delighted to find a fucking qualified candidate that will do the fucking job.
[/quote]
I agree with this.

The two companies that i’ve worked for in the past 16-17 years and done much of the interviewing, hiring for both technical and non-technical positions, a conversation about race has never been had, either.

The first thing I look for is, ‘will this person fit with the other personalities that they will be associating with?’ and ‘Can they do the job?’.

I’m sure that these conversations DO come up in other companies. I’m not naive. But, i’d be willing to bet that it’s more prevalant in areas where it’s not very ethnically diverse.

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[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

Funny how you use a personal antidote as a rebuttal to my antidote while telling me that is not sufficient. Just saying…

[/quote]

I’ve got an anecdote for your personal anectdote while you’re busy coming up with an anecdote…or something like that. LOL[/quote]

I lived in Berkeley heights, NJ or Berkley whites as we called it, and went to union county college for 2 semesters. I can tell you that the majority of the students taking advantage of that education were black and hispanic. I bet white students make up less then 20%. I also worked in Summit Nj at the grand summit hotel and heard constantly from my black co-workers how they were stopped by the police on the way to work just to see what they were doing, no sitations being issued. God for bid they were giving a hispanic coworker a ride through summit they would call the K9 unit. Nj is so segregated that it is uncomfortable. I use to go to house parties in Elizabeth with my cuban friends and the white people I knew thought that was crazy.

I guess that I need to clarify that I do not think this is about racism or that the issue of white privleage implies racism by whites. My fear, and I am seeing it play out on many levels, is that in times of economic turmoil racism becomes popular among the poor and struggling as a way to explain their hardship. We are seeing policy, especially in the public schools, that are going to effect lower income families. i agree it will be irregardless of color. These are not new issues but they will be new for many whites. I see the writing on the wall that as many americans already dismiss the struggles of minorities that they will be able to rationalize the struggle of the poor regardless of their race. they just deserve what they have, or don’t have. I can tell you in academia at the college level, especially in research, there is alot of racist talk openly about dislike for the chinese.

I dont think throwing money at the problem is going to solve it either. I do think you are right that helping kids while they are young will have the biggest impact. I am aware, as you maybe, that schools continue to get hit with cut backs and privatization of expenses. While many in america can afford to pick up the difference on these things, the poor are dispraportionatly effected. [/quote]

I know Elizabeth well. Good post.

I do sometimes roll my figurative eyes when I hear the tales of woe regarding being pulled over by police. The fact is, in those kind of neighborhoods, we ALL get pulled over. I get fucked with in Camden all the time. “Profiling” as the men in blue like to say is “policing” and I agree with them. If you’re white in Camden at a certain hour, chance ARE you’re there buying drugs. The point is, in high crime areas, you’re just going to be fucked with and it’s a fact of life and not necessarily an issue of race, especially when many of the LEO in question are black and hispanic.

Again, I’m not denying racist profiling occurs, but I believe in high crime areas, they have their hands pretty fucking full and are generally not prone to wasting time…if they pull you, they have a reason, real or imagined, but generally not “racist”. Would you say that’s fair?

EDIT:

However, if you’re a minority rolling thru a predominantly white neighborhood with a low crime rate and you’re pulled over under pretext, I agree this is generally racist. But I’m not buying racism in our cities as a reason for being fucked with by the police. They are fucking with people b/c there exists an air of lawlessness in these areas.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]groo wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

As I’ve written before, an assumption of racism on the part of the other is, in itself, racist.[/quote]

Sorry but this is bullshit. There has to a be an advantage for racism to occur. An oppressed group telling others that they are being oppressed is not racism. No matter the tone or description given. The minority lacks the influence to impose racism. I don’t think that I have every heard African Americans preaching superiority of their race when this bullshit dismissive comment comes out form the white side. They are fighting for equality there for it is not racist. [/quote]
This is simply wrong. Racism is a mindset. Anyone can be racist. What you are reaching for is that a person needs to be in a position of power to practice discrimination. This is arguably true, but the vast majority of people in the U.S. anyway have about the same power and resources. The top tenth of a percent of the U.S. population holds most of the wealth and everyone else is pretty much in the same position. Racism, sexism, homophobia etc. are mindsets encouraged by those in power to help maintain their control and foster an environment that maintains the status quo. [/quote]

Ok. I will agree that I was describing racial discrimination, but racism typically requires a notion of superiority of one race over another, which is not something I hear coming from African Americans. I will have to disagree that everyone has the same power and resources. I have worked for companies and once elevated to manager level, I have then been informed of rules regarding hiring certain people for both their race and or sexual preference. As a white male I have been assumed to agree with these types of practices just based on my skin color. You do not find minorities holding an equal level of managerial positions as whites in most any industry. I do agree with your last statement that their is something to be gained by a few by perpetuating this mindset among the many. The question is why are so many not willing to acknowledge this?[/quote]

There is so much wrong with the above.

If you don’t hear notion of superiority coming from blacks, you need to get out more.

To just state “you disagree” and then offer a personal anecdote is not a rebuttal. Tell us exactly why we do not share the same relative resources.

You don’t find the same amount of minorities holding positions of management b/c by the very definition - “minority” they will largely be underrepresented in terms of qualified candidates as compared to the majority. Furthermore, I believe there are actual differences in the mean educational level between the two races. So, by virtue of being a “minority”, you might have 9 white qualified candidates for a job for every black that passes thru the door. This is not intended to deny racism exists, only that the algebra isn’t always so simple.

I spent 17 years of my life in management and not once did we have a whitey only meeting and talk about how we can’t hire the next black guy. Management is generally delighted to find a fucking qualified candidate that will do the fucking job.
[/quote]
I agree with this.

The two companies that i’ve worked for in the past 16-17 years and done much of the interviewing, hiring for both technical and non-technical positions, a conversation about race has never been had, either.

The first thing I look for is, ‘will this person fit with the other personalities that they will be associating with?’ and ‘Can they do the job?’.

I’m sure that these conversations DO come up in other companies. I’m not naive. But, i’d be willing to bet that it’s more prevalant in areas where it’s not very ethnically diverse.[/quote]

To add to this, if anything, I’ve worked with underperforming minorities that were impossible to fire b/c of the protections afforded by law and the general difficulty in just firing someone whereas the same white person would have been canned. So, in that sense, race WAS the pink elephant in the room. It’s so easy to hire someone in corporate america and a bitch to fire them. Even in so called “at will” employment States (like PA), it’s not as easy as waking up one day and announcing “you’re fired!”. It’s even more difficult when they are afforded one or more of the EEOC protected classifications (race, age, female, disabled, etc.).

I’ve also worked in NYC and minorities are WELL represented in that corporate environment. Like I said before, I acknowledge there may be big differences between the northeast and the South.

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This is racist, right? Is it worse or better than the other incident?

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[quote]byukid wrote:

This is racist, right? Is it worse or better than the other incident?[/quote]

This is absolutely racist blacks attacking innocent white people. Knowbody was killed is This incident while some were seriously hurt. It obviously isn’t worse than someone getting beat then run over and killed. Do the Courts and DAs of Wisconsin and other parts of the counry want to wait until that does happen In one of the Racist flash mobs? Im guessing yes! These criminals will get a slap on the wrist and shit will keep going on.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

There is so much wrong with the above.

If you don’t hear notion of superiority coming from blacks, you need to get out more.

To just state “you disagree” and then offer a personal anecdote is not a rebuttal. Tell us exactly why we do not share the same relative resources.

You don’t find the same amount of minorities holding positions of management b/c by the very definition - “minority” they will largely be underrepresented in terms of qualified candidates as compared to the majority. Furthermore, I believe there are actual differences in the mean educational level between the two races. So, by virtue of being a “minority”, you might have 9 white qualified candidates for a job for every black that passes thru the door. This is not intended to deny racism exists, only that the algebra isn’t always so simple.

I spent 17 years of my life in management and not once did we have a whitey only meeting and talk about how we can’t hire the next black guy. Management is generally delighted to find a fucking qualified candidate that will do the fucking job.
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Funny how you use a personal antidote as a rebuttal to my antidote while telling me that is not sufficient. Just saying…

Anyway, I honestly don’t think that we are in disagreement. I agree that population size is different and that based on that alone you will always have far more whites than blacks in management positions. However I know that if you look at the statistics based on percentage of that population represented in managerial positions it would show a vastly different story.

Your point about qualification could be true, and I will look into it, but doesn’t it just by the very virtue of the statement then imply that there must be a discrepancy in access to resources? I’ll agree that much has been done to address this issue in the last 10yrs and honestly the pendulum as it often does may have over swung in the way of student loan access, but for everyone not just minorities.

Most white families until recently identified themselves as middle class. With the economy over the last few years it is known to all that the middle class is shrinking, meaning more and more whites are finding themselves in the same positions so many minorities have been in for decades. The fights and struggles that many of these predominately minority based communities have been facing are about to hit many more white Americans then ever before. We have possibly dismissed them not because of race but because of social issues found in the groups like drugs, abuse, crime, divorce, poverty, ect. However these are becoming a reality for a growing segment of middle america. Listening and working to solve the discrepancies for minorities, which to me are more about economic access is an existential way to ensure the security of all races. Don’t take this to mean hand outs or socialism, but figure out a way to ensure that they do have on a percentage bases as many qualified candidates for job positions. Otherwise you have to acknowledge that this demonstrates that there is a disadvantage to just being black/poor. Which means there is an advantage to being white/wealthy.

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I can agree with most of your closing paragraph. But I think it’s more a socioeconomic issue at not necessarily always race. Poor whites don’t fare much better, and they certainly do not comport themselves any better socially.
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Good point BG. This issue has been extensively studied by economists and social scientists, and this is the general consensus.

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[quote]p-dub wrote:

[quote]byukid wrote:

This is racist, right? Is it worse or better than the other incident?[/quote]

This is absolutely racist blacks attacking innocent white people. Knowbody was killed is This incident while some were seriously hurt. It obviously isn’t worse than someone getting beat then run over and killed. Do the Courts and DAs of Wisconsin and other parts of the counry want to wait until that does happen In one of the Racist flash mobs? Im guessing yes! These criminals will get a slap on the wrist and shit will keep going on.[/quote]

Sorry, I meant about the motivation. Is it worse for a black man to hate a white man, or a white man to hate a black man?

Personally, I’ve been given sideways looks when I’ve walked around areas that are more “ethnically diverse.” But I never felt threatened.

Hate is hate. Whether there’s a reason to it, a history behind it, I have to say hate is hate. Racist hate isn’t worse than any other sort of prejudice.

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[quote]byukid wrote:

[quote]p-dub wrote:

[quote]byukid wrote:

This is racist, right? Is it worse or better than the other incident?[/quote]

This is absolutely racist blacks attacking innocent white people. Knowbody was killed is This incident while some were seriously hurt. It obviously isn’t worse than someone getting beat then run over and killed. Do the Courts and DAs of Wisconsin and other parts of the counry want to wait until that does happen In one of the Racist flash mobs? Im guessing yes! These criminals will get a slap on the wrist and shit will keep going on.[/quote]

Sorry, I meant about the motivation. Is it worse for a black man to hate a white man, or a white man to hate a black man?

Personally, I’ve been given sideways looks when I’ve walked around areas that are more “ethnically diverse.” But I never felt threatened.

Hate is hate. Whether there’s a reason to it, a history behind it, I have to say hate is hate. Racist hate isn’t worse than any other sort of prejudice. [/quote]

Well in both instances it was random racially charged attacks. The motivation behind the attacks were race. There is no better or worse when in comes to who is dishing it out.

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Bumping due to relevance.

http://news.yahoo.com/miss-teen-indicted-capital-murder-hate-crime-142538317.html

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Wol that video was very depressing. It reminds me why I don’t like to live any further south than the Michigan/Ohio border.