[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Severiano, have you considered that the ideal you’re describing is not an attempt to emulate Western faces, but rather child faces? I had this discussion with Professor X years ago.
Think of the stereotypical Japanese manga character:
Large eyes (1/5 size of face)
Small nose
Flat face
Body 5.7 heads tall
Thin limbs
Large head (bobbleheadlike)
Colourful hair
Neotenised face
…[/quote]
Neoteny recapitulates physiognomy?
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Severiano, have you considered that the ideal you’re describing is not an attempt to emulate Western faces, but rather child faces? I had this discussion with Professor X years ago.
Think of the stereotypical Japanese manga character:
Large eyes (1/5 size of face)
Small nose
Flat face
Body 5.7 heads tall
Thin limbs
Large head (bobbleheadlike)
Colourful hair
Neotenised face
…[/quote]
Neoteny recapitulates physiognomy?[/quote]
Pedomorphophilia is not a crime.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Severiano, have you considered that the ideal you’re describing is not an attempt to emulate Western faces, but rather child faces? I had this discussion with Professor X years ago.
Think of the stereotypical Japanese manga character:
Large eyes (1/5 size of face)
Small nose
Flat face
Body 5.7 heads tall
Thin limbs
Large head (bobbleheadlike)
Colourful hair
Neotenised face
…[/quote]
Neoteny recapitulates physiognomy?[/quote]
Pedomorphophilia is not a crime…[/quote]
…but the word itself is a crime.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Severiano, have you considered that the ideal you’re describing is not an attempt to emulate Western faces, but rather child faces? I had this discussion with Professor X years ago.
Think of the stereotypical Japanese manga character:
Large eyes (1/5 size of face)
Small nose
Flat face
Body 5.7 heads tall
Thin limbs
Large head (bobbleheadlike)
Colourful hair
Neotenised face
…[/quote]
Neoteny recapitulates physiognomy?[/quote]
Pedomorphophilia is not a crime…[/quote]
…but the word itself is a crime.
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Why are you two using the internet to communicate?[/quote]
Why, to preserve anonymity, of course.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Why are you two using the internet to communicate?[/quote]
Because if we all communicated telepathically then the T-Nation forums would have no reason for existence.
…to which Doc Skeptix replied, “that’s just what I was thinking!”
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m a white guy with blue eyes but I’m mostly attracted to the Southern European type: dark hair, brown eyes, tanned skin. It’s not from watching too many Italian films. It’s my biological preference.[/quote]
Wow.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m a white guy with blue eyes but I’m mostly attracted to the Southern European type: dark hair, brown eyes, tanned skin. It’s not from watching too many Italian films. It’s my biological preference.[/quote]
Wow. [/quote]
Indeed. And I also prefer chocolate icecream to strawberry, Cabernet Sauvignon to Shiraz and Stilton cheese to Gorgonzola.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m a white guy with blue eyes but I’m mostly attracted to the Southern European type: dark hair, brown eyes, tanned skin. It’s not from watching too many Italian films. It’s my biological preference.[/quote]
Wow. [/quote]
Indeed. And I also prefer chocolate icecream to strawberry, Cabernet Sauvignon to Shiraz and Stilton cheese to Gorgonzola.[/quote]
I was just a bit surprised to learn you think sexual preferences are driven solely by biology. I thought you had a different position on this.
Sorry to thread hijack, carry on.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Here’s something for you… None of them went to prison, they are in the U.S.
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That’s terrible. They were clearly thinking naughty thoughts and should have been given long prison sentences.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m a white guy with blue eyes but I’m mostly attracted to the Southern European type: dark hair, brown eyes, tanned skin. It’s not from watching too many Italian films. It’s my biological preference.[/quote]
As an aside, if these are your preferences, you should check out Lisbon. You won’t be disappointed.
Yes that’s a good point. My concern is that in children, while the brain is still developing, it may be possible to influence such things as sexual preference. At any rate, many are certainly trying to do so. See my last post in the transgender priest thread for example; a camp for boys as young as three to “explore their gender identity.”
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Severiano, have you considered that the ideal you’re describing is not an attempt to emulate Western faces, but rather child faces? I had this discussion with Professor X years ago.
Think of the stereotypical Japanese manga character:
Large eyes (1/5 size of face)
Small nose
Flat face
Body 5.7 heads tall
Thin limbs
Large head (bobbleheadlike)
Colourful hair
Neotenised face
Anime antenna hair (ahoge)
This, with the exception perhaps of colorful hair, is basically describing a baby or young child. The girls getting the epicanthic fold operations are not trying to emulate white girls, they are trying to look more like anime characters. And anime characters are not trying for a “Western” look, they are trying for a childlike look.
The ideal of beauty, especially feminine beauty, not only in Japan but throughout Asia, is pedomorphy.
And not just in Asia. Compare Sarah Jessica Parker’s face to Jessica Alba’s. Which woman is more attractive? Why?
“A potential correlate of beauty is pedomorphy, which is the retention in adults of child-like traits. For instance, women have facial features that are closer to those of children than men, and more feminine women have facial features that are even closer to those of children. Thus, it may be proposed that pedomorphy is a correlate of beauty.”
http://www.femininebeauty.info/ethnic-comparisons/beauty-elements
That’s why.
EDIT: Admittedly, the article goes on to talk about neotenising plastic surgery in the context of Beyonce Knowles, Tyra Banks and Halle Barry, all of whom have lightened their hair and skin, and altered the shape and size of their noses. Whether they consciously set out to look “more white”, “less black” or simply “younger and prettier” is an open question.[/quote]
Media in the states when it comes to blacks and whites, and beauty is really complicated, because what was beautiful changed a lot from the 50’s on. It went from girl next door, to pinup girl, to super skinny, to J Lo and Kim K. It’s like the media was afraid of mens taste, specifically black mens taste. It’s come around but you don’t see the same sorts of models in mainstream that you do in magazines that target black men. You know, really thick redbone or super dark women aren’t idealized by mainstream America. And honestly some of them are thick beyond what I find sexy, say in XXL magazine or Blackmen Magazines from back in the day, and likely even today… Also keep in mind how and who backed Kim K and J Lo. Think Puffy Combs and Ray J, but neither Kim K nor J Lo are actually black.
Black women have it harder, need to cater to the smaller scope of mainstream America if they really want to make it. The smaller black media can act as a springboard to mainstream American media. Before Beyonce was on Forbes, GQ, and Time magazine she was with Destiny’s child on black magazines and media geared towards black and urban.
She had to break into mainstream media off that springboard. So likely she got whatever surgeries and shit her publicists and financial backers wanted so she could have mainstream appeal.
Same with J Lo… How much surgery has she had? Was it of her own volition or was it pressure from her backers to have a certain look? She was never a talented singer, her acting is about as good as Mark Sanchez at QB. Was she not hot before all the surgery?
What about Janet, Michael and Latoya?
So, you are saying it’s coincidence that most of these surgeries lead to what is perceived as European looks? Of course we have to entertain the idea that maybe some of these women had these surgeries of their own volition, which was in part formed by media and what’s good for their careers.
What’s funny is that media likely had an impact on their perception of their own beauty, and a lot of people do what they can to stay in the limelight. One might not consciously try to have more white facial features, it might just be what appeals to them, but we cannot ignore the fact that the media pushes certain ideas of beauty on the public, and the public follows. So the claim that people want to look more white isn’t quite the truth…
The truth is that the media has a very strong influence over what is beautiful. You might follow that influence and not be concerned with whether you look white, black or purple on an individual level. But the people telling you how to look, have a pretty good idea about what ideals they are pushing.
As far as Anime, there are all sorts of characters in Anime. You bring up kids with rounder eyes, but what’s funny is not all asian children have very round eyes… And why are so many of the heroes blonde with blue eyes in fantasy settings from the Meiji era? Why are there adult heroes like Vash the Stampede? If you google blonde hair blue eyes anime you will see a bit of volume, just shitloads of blonde haired blue eyed idealized anime characters.
Seems like white and blue eyes are still idealized to me… Try looking up black anime characters, few will have a black persons hair, and most will basically be ordinary characters with dark skin, and hardly any of them. Does that seem idealized?
It may not be as strong as it was 30 years ago in Japan, but it’s there. These days the more money you have the better off you will be in Japan. But white privilege still exists there. That it’s not even on the radar for some folks, and that some folks outright deny it exists in the states is absolutely insane to me.
What you’re describing is a serious medical condition called Racial Identity Disorder. It affects people of all races. White people who suffer from RID often contract it from exposure to hip hop music. Symptoms include wearing one’s pants pulled halfway down and making strange gesticulations with the hands. Eminem suffers from this disorder.
Black people often contract RID via completion of high school and/or tertiary education. Famous sufferers include Condoleezza Rice and Thomas Sowell.
There’s also a rare form of the disorder called Multiple Personality Racial Identity Disorder. Sufferers’ racial identities switch back and forth depending on the audience they are addressing. Barack Obama suffers from this condition.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
What you’re describing is a serious medical condition called Racial Identity Disorder. It affects people of all races. White people who suffer from RID often contract it from exposure to hip hop music. Symptoms include wearing one’s pants pulled halfway down and making strange gesticulations with the hands. Eminem suffers from this disorder.
Black people often contract RID via completion of high school and/or tertiary education. Famous sufferers include Condoleezza Rice and Thomas Sowell.
There’s also a rare form of the disorder called Multiple Personality Racial Identity Disorder. Sufferers’ racial identities switch back and forth depending on the audience they are addressing. Barack Obama suffers from this condition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eyVBZcmfqA [/quote]
It’s not just race, if you ask me they are masks people put on. Most people put on masks and act differently around different people to appeal to them. Shit, guy sees a pretty girl and all of a sudden he’s Barry White, slow talk and all. But politicians and performers are the ones who cave into those ideals first, they are pro’s at appealing to people and deception, most are lawyers for a reason. I don’t know if it’s so much overtly about race as it is trying to fit in with whatever crowd you want to appeal to.
With everything being a popularity contest, and everything being a sale of ones self the actions of our politicians are a good indicator of what I’m talking about. They cave to what is popular to survive.
This is an interesting topic. I looked into this wristband thing specifically and what I found is that it was a bad idea from a part time public employee. It was a suggestion on a blog as I remember. It was attacked swiftly and taken down. A lot of people adopt a personality I like to call “the good idea fairy” and I think this person had that problem. Let’s just be glad this wristband thing was never given serious consideration by anyone. I was incredulous when I first read the OP but am relieved this was only a horrible suggestion from a part time public employee that got nowhere. Let’s just be happy that we haven’t yet gone full lunacy as a society.
I think that a lot of guilt ridden white liberals who obsess over white privilege are in college or recently removed from college. I think it’s a phase some people go through but most people thankfully grow out of it. I could be wrong, though. I may just be self-insulating myself from people who think like that, but it just seems like it’s younger people who adopt a mindset of guilt. When life gets hard people usually grow out of that. It’s probably easy for a white kid from an upper-middle class family going to a liberal arts costing their parents $55k/year and doing nothing but fucking to feel guilty for their white privilege. When funds are cut off and life gets real the situation and mindset changes.
The wristband idea is stupid, but the “white privilege” concept is real. It’s subtle though, and it’s easy for white people to ignore.
Here’s a few examples… “Redlining”: when mortgage companies, banks and realtors keep neighborhoods segregated, by not issuing mortgages or selling property to minorities in certain areas. I’m from Chicago originally (one of America’s most segregated cities, historically) and redlining was a problem there.
After WW2, the blacks were not able to benefit from the GI Bill to the extent that whites were:
In the recent housing crisis, blacks were issued crappy subprime mortgages at a much higher percentage than whites, even if they were financially qualified for much better mortgages.
Employer’s Replies to Racial Names
[quote]‘Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback.’
A job applicant with a name that sounds like it might belong to an African-American - say, Lakisha Washington or Jamal Jones - can find it harder to get a job. Despite laws against discrimination, affirmative action, a degree of employer enlightenment, and the desire by some businesses to enhance profits by hiring those most qualified regardless of race, African-Americans are twice as likely as whites to be unemployed and they earn nearly 25 percent less when they are employed.[/quote]
This is a big topic, and it’s easy to misunderstand. If your response is “Hey, I busted my ass in college!!! I wasn’t handed anything!!!” then you don’t get it.