White Fear

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
Hi Professor…
Lets get back “on topic” here for a minute.
I am very interested in your opinion of the article that opened this thread; not really enchanted by the in-fighting going on with everyone on the forum here.

Lets get back on topic: What did you agree with or disagree with?

I thought the article was right on.
Of course I have seen many good men like the author of this article shouted down on places like FOX News and CNN by other black men. They are usually, from what I have seen, not considered as being “really black”. It’s kinda sad actually…

Peace…
Don

I thought that piece was a waste of my time to read. Perhaps “the reverend” should have focused on people like Amadou Bailo Diallo instead of Sean Bell. THAT is what is “kinda sad”.

Interesting and I candidly say I am not surprised.

Well, I candidly say that your response added nothing to this thread and could have been witheld all together. Thanks for sharing.

Well, I am not at all surprised by your response.
Quite frankly, over the many months of interacting with you and reading your posts,I have to suspect that you are man of anger.
I am not, of course, aware of the reasons why. Maybe you didn’t get the love and acceptance of a father that was consistently in you life. Or, maybe you have never accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?(Believe me, I have dealt with both issues on my own adult life.) God IS in the business of transforming hearts and lives.

Nevertheless, I am not trying to be mean spirited.
I expected an angry or at least sarcastic response from you.
You delivered.
You seem to be man of intellect. Where did you heart get left behind??

Blow me off as a T-Nation idiot if you like. That would be easy enough to do.
All I can really say in my regard is that I push heavy iron like yourself; I draw breath 16-18 times a minute, I have NOT lived a life of entitlement; and that I have driven myself to educate myself in my field(medical), my practice(working with troubled youth), and I am committed to THE ONE whose name is above ALL names.

Peace be with you Professor.

Don

Thank you again for NOT responding to the topic of this thread. Would you mind sharing your apparently “expert” ability to psychoanalyze others? Your ability to be that wrong has got to come in handy. Someone can simply listen…and believe the opposite. I would never blow you off as a T-Nation idiot. Why would I waste the time?

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Ah! You never disappoint! You have MORE than confirmed my point about your hostile and always sarcastic attitude. I sincerly hope you find peace, my T-Nation brother.

Oh…my response to the thread? I am a WHITE AMERICAN…hailing from the continent known as WHITE! while you are “AFRICAN AMERICAN” hailing from the continent of AFRICA!

Does that get my point across?!

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[quote]PtrDR wrote:
Ah! You never disappoint! You have MORE than confirmed my point about your hostile and always sarcastic attitude. I sincerly hope you find peace, my T-Nation brother.

Oh…my response to the thread? I am a WHITE AMERICAN…hailing from the continent known as WHITE! while you are “AFRICAN AMERICAN” hailing from the continent of AFRICA!

Does that get my point across?![/quote]

Hostile? Nothing I have written in this thread is “angry” or “hostile”. That seems to be what many of you go to any time a black person makes a statement that flies against the belief that they should never stand for what they believe in if it opposes the majority. People like you suddenly describe it as “militant” or “angry”.

For someone so full of goodness, you sure are quick to brag about your superior disposition, your wonderful intellect and how you are apparently even more religious than everyone else.

The funny thing is…if any of that were true, you wouldn’t have to tell anyone.

You have wasted 3 posts now avoiding the topic while throwing around “polite insults” that you obviously believe are fooling someone.

They aren’t…and neither are you. That’s not “hostile”, it’s just the truth.

Peace be with you…and your ego.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
Ah! You never disappoint! You have MORE than confirmed my point about your hostile and always sarcastic attitude. I sincerly hope you find peace, my T-Nation brother.

Oh…my response to the thread? I am a WHITE AMERICAN…hailing from the continent known as WHITE! while you are “AFRICAN AMERICAN” hailing from the continent of AFRICA!

Does that get my point across?!

Hostile? Nothing I have written in this thread is “angry” or “hostile”. That seems to be what many of you go to any time a black person makes a statement that flies against the belief that they should never stand for what they believe in if it opposes the majority. People like you suddenly describe it as “militant” or “angry”.

For someone so full of goodness, you sure are quick to brag about your superior disposition, your wonderful intellect and how you are apparently even more religious than everyone else.

The funny thing is…if any of that were true, you wouldn’t have to tell anyone.

You have wasted 3 posts now avoiding the topic while throwing around “polite insults” that you obviously believe are fooling someone.

They aren’t…and neither are you. That’s not “hostile”, it’s just the truth.

Peace be with you…and your ego.[/quote]

Your every post confirms my suppositions.

Keep it up Mr. Consistency!

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[quote]PtrDR wrote:

Keep it up Mr. Consistency![/quote]

Once again…topic?

Whgy are you posting in this thread if you do not wish to discuss the topic?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:

Keep it up Mr. Consistency!

Once again…topic?

Whgy are you posting in this thread if you do not wish to discuss the topic?[/quote]

This thread is now so off topic I would have to re-read the whole thing over again.

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[quote]PtrDR wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
Hi Professor…
Lets get back “on topic” here for a minute.
I am very interested in your opinion of the article that opened this thread; not really enchanted by the in-fighting going on with everyone on the forum here.

Lets get back on topic: What did you agree with or disagree with?

I thought the article was right on.
Of course I have seen many good men like the author of this article shouted down on places like FOX News and CNN by other black men. They are usually, from what I have seen, not considered as being “really black”. It’s kinda sad actually…

Peace…
Don

I thought that piece was a waste of my time to read. Perhaps “the reverend” should have focused on people like Amadou Bailo Diallo instead of Sean Bell. THAT is what is “kinda sad”.

Interesting and I candidly say I am not surprised.

Well, I candidly say that your response added nothing to this thread and could have been witheld all together. Thanks for sharing.

Well, I am not at all surprised by your response.
Quite frankly, over the many months of interacting with you and reading your posts,I have to suspect that you are man of anger.
I am not, of course, aware of the reasons why. Maybe you didn’t get the love and acceptance of a father that was consistently in you life. Or, maybe you have never accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?(Believe me, I have dealt with both issues on my own adult life.) God IS in the business of transforming hearts and lives.

Nevertheless, I am not trying to be mean spirited.
I expected an angry or at least sarcastic response from you.
You delivered.
You seem to be man of intellect. Where did you heart get left behind??

Blow me off as a T-Nation idiot if you like. That would be easy enough to do.
All I can really say in my regard is that I push heavy iron like yourself; I draw breath 16-18 times a minute, I have NOT lived a life of entitlement; and that I have driven myself to educate myself in my field(medical), my practice(working with troubled youth), and I am committed to THE ONE whose name is above ALL names.

Peace be with you Professor.

Don

Thank you again for NOT responding to the topic of this thread. Would you mind sharing your apparently “expert” ability to psychoanalyze others? Your ability to be that wrong has got to come in handy. Someone can simply listen…and believe the opposite. I would never blow you off as a T-Nation idiot. Why would I waste the time?

Ah! You never disappoint! You have MORE than confirmed my point about your hostile and always sarcastic attitude. I sincerly hope you find peace, my T-Nation brother.

Oh…my response to the thread? I am a WHITE AMERICAN…hailing from the continent known as WHITE! while you are “AFRICAN AMERICAN” hailing from the continent of AFRICA!

Does that get my point across?![/quote]

Professor, read the paragraph above.
If you can’t figure out my meaning, then I’ve given you too much credit.

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[quote]PtrDR wrote:
Ah! You never disappoint! You have MORE than confirmed my point about your hostile and always sarcastic attitude. I sincerly hope you find peace, my T-Nation brother.

Oh…my response to the thread? I am a WHITE AMERICAN…hailing from the continent known as WHITE! while you are “AFRICAN AMERICAN” hailing from the continent of AFRICA!

Does that get my point across?!

Professor, read the paragraph above.
If you can’t figure out my meaning, then I’ve given you too much credit.[/quote]

Oh, you’re back?

I read that line and now ask you to find where I have used “african american” in this thread. I didn’t. I didn’t for a reason.

If society only cared about whether someone is “american” or not, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Are you claiming there is no racial profiling? Are you saying there is no attempt at racism in this country directed towards minorities disproportionately to nonminorities?

Just answer the questions.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
Ah! You never disappoint! You have MORE than confirmed my point about your hostile and always sarcastic attitude. I sincerly hope you find peace, my T-Nation brother.

Oh…my response to the thread? I am a WHITE AMERICAN…hailing from the continent known as WHITE! while you are “AFRICAN AMERICAN” hailing from the continent of AFRICA!

Does that get my point across?!

Professor, read the paragraph above.
If you can’t figure out my meaning, then I’ve given you too much credit.

Oh, you’re back?

I read that line and now ask you to find where I have used “african american” in this thread. I didn’t. I didn’t for a reason.

If society only cared about whether someone is “american” or not, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Are you claiming there is no racial profiling? Are you saying there is no attempt at racism in this country directed towards minorities disproportionately to nonminorities?

Just answer the questions.
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Hi, I never claimed you used the term “African American” in this post.
My statement is my commentary on the article in general. Its just ONE of the many ideas I agreed with the Reverend on. I get sick of the “name game” double standard that is plain ol politically correct garbage.
Is there racism in America? Sure. There is racism ANYWHERE mankind lives!
I can’t get over how many people in this country think its an inherently “American” phenomenon.

Man has a sinful nature. It’s in the DNA. Racism is just ONE of the many things that God hates.
As long as people live their lives in rebellion to the Word of God, you will see all kinds of bad behavior running amuck.

Has this country made mistakes? Yep. Is it still be best place to be free on this planet? NO DOUBT!

It’s time black people, brown people, white people, yellow people and red people MOVE ON!!!

Get over it! and move on!

People should stop “cloaking” themselves in an attitude of victimhood and anger and of being caught up in the past. Stop having your “worldview” all caught up in the consideration of race. You will never get rid of some amount of racism in any society as long as man is alive on this planet.

MOVE ON!!
The rest of the world is and lot of people including me have!

Get over it.

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[quote]PtrDR wrote:
It’s time black people, brown people, white people, yellow people and red people MOVE ON!!!

Get over it! and move on!

People should stop “cloaking” themselves in an attitude of victimhood and anger and of being caught up in the past. Stop having your “worldview” all caught up in the consideration of race. You will never get rid of some amount of racism in any society as long as man is alive on this planet.

MOVE ON!!
The rest of the world is and lot of people including me have!

Get over it.
[/quote]

I mentioned before getting pulled over in front of my own house. This was a few weeks ago. It was fun getting lights flashed on me while my “nonminority” neighbors were watching from their garage. Apparently, the thought was that I was stopping my car to buy drugs and that I couldn’t possibly live there. You should have seen the cop’s face when I opened my own garage with the remote and informed him I did live there.

Yes, it must be real easy to claim that everyone should get over it…not be upset about it…never show any emotion towards it…when it doesn’t happen to you.

Get back to me when it does.

My view has little to do with simply looking at the past. It has everything to do with the fact that the past still has an affect on the present and many of us deal with that much more than those who are not minorities.

For the last time, tell me about how we are all “americans” the moment that is what I am viewed as by the majority. Tell me that when you stop relating crime statistics to skin color. Until then, quit playing games and acknowledge the fact that some of us have a legit argument.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
It’s time black people, brown people, white people, yellow people and red people MOVE ON!!!

Get over it! and move on!

People should stop “cloaking” themselves in an attitude of victimhood and anger and of being caught up in the past. Stop having your “worldview” all caught up in the consideration of race. You will never get rid of some amount of racism in any society as long as man is alive on this planet.

MOVE ON!!
The rest of the world is and lot of people including me have!

Get over it.

I mentioned before getting pulled over in front of my own house. This was a few weeks ago. It was fun getting lights flashed on me while my “nonminority” neighbors were watching from their garage. Apparently, the thought was that I was stopping my car to buy drugs and that I couldn’t possibly live there. You should have seen the cop’s face when I opened my own garage with the remote and informed him I did live there.

Yes, it must be real easy to claim that everyone should get over it…not be upset about it…never show any emotion towards it…when it doesn’t happen to you.

Get back to me when it does.

My view has little to do with simply looking at the past. It has everything to do with the fact that the past still has an affect on the present and many of us deal with that much more than those who are not minorities.

For the last time, tell me about how we are all “americans” the moment that is what I am viewed as by the majority. Tell me that when you stop relating crime statistics to skin color. Until then, quit playing games and acknowledge the fact that some of us have a legit argument.
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I am sorry to hear about your story there. I to have been pulled over for no good reason(that I knew of) a few times myself. I was told that the reason is that I was out driving at an “odd hour”! I used to work night shifts when I lived in Atlanta and would stay up just like normal on nights I was off.

Same thing happened a second time in Atlanta for the same thing and then the cop tried to tell me he smelled alcohol. I was not drinking at all.

What do I attribute those things to?
I have no idea.
Unless you’ve crawled inside someone’s dome, you are SPECULATING on what the reasons are!

Again, it’s your worldview that shapes perception. If you walk around with a “race first” worldview, anything and everything that happens to you that is an any way questionable, will be attributed as a “race” issue.

Again, to get rid of racism on this planet, you will have to wipe out mankind.

As a sidenote, when I lived in Atlanta,I worked with alot of folks from Nigeria. Guess what?
I was shocked when I saw that alot of American blacks where racist twords Africans from Nigeria!!!

What the hell is THAT about???!!!

Again, you get rid of mankind, you will get rid of racism.

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[quote]PtrDR wrote:

What do I attribute those things to?
I have no idea.
Unless you’ve crawled inside someone’s dome, you are SPECULATING on what the reasons are![/quote]

Funny. It must be “speculation” when this occurs as it could never be related to skin color. What reason do you think a cop would have to flash his lights on a car for stopping in front of a house without any traffic violations? Let’s ignore the fact that I am the only minority currently in this complex.

[quote]

Again, to get rid of racism on this planet, you will have to wipe out mankind.[/quote]

What does this have to do with has been stated? If it exists, why are you professing that it should be ignored? Again, are you claiming that there is no disproportionate occurrence towards minorities as opposed to non-minorities? No answer on that one yet…and I asked very simple questions before.

[quote]

As a sidenote, when I lived in Atlanta,I worked with alot of folks from Nigeria. Guess what?
I was shocked when I saw that alot of American blacks where racist twords Africans from Nigeria!!!

What the hell is THAT about???!!!

Again, you get rid of mankind, you will get rid of racism.[/quote]

What are you even talking about here? If anything, the perception is reversed as far as the opinion of “american blacks” by those native to Africa.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PtrDR wrote:

What do I attribute those things to?
I have no idea.
Unless you’ve crawled inside someone’s dome, you are SPECULATING on what the reasons are!

Funny. It must be “speculation” when this occurs as it could never be related to skin color. What reason do you think a cop would have to flash his lights on a car for stopping in front of a house without any traffic violations? Let’s ignore the fact that I am the only minority currently in this complex.

It could be racism. It could be for some other reason.
Again, “worldview”.

Again, to get rid of racism on this planet, you will have to wipe out mankind.

What does this have to do with has been stated? If it exists, why are you professing that it should be ignored? Again, are you claiming that there is no disproportionate occurrence towards minorities as opposed to non-minorities? No answer on that one yet…and I asked very simple questions before.

Ignore? No. Fixate on it for any bad or seemingly unjust thing that happens to you?:No.
You tackle it be treating people as people and stop walking around with a “racial chip” on your shoulder.
People who focus and fixate on negative things are generally miserable people and are miserable to be around.

As a sidenote, when I lived in Atlanta,I worked with alot of folks from Nigeria. Guess what?
I was shocked when I saw that alot of American blacks where racist twords Africans from Nigeria!!!

What the hell is THAT about???!!!

Again, you get rid of mankind, you will get rid of racism.

What are you even talking about here? If anything, the perception is reversed as far as the opinion of “american blacks” by those native to Africa. [/quote]

I wouldn’t expect anything other than your answer of turning it around on true “African Americans” from Nigeria.

Do you have friends you can just hang with and have good times with,or are they are bunch of unhappy “race is my worldview” fellow discontents?

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[quote]PtrDR wrote:

I wouldn’t expect anything other than your answer of turning it around on true “African Americans” from Nigeria.

Do you have friends you can just hang with and have good times with,or are they are bunch of unhappy “race is my worldview” fellow discontents?
[/quote]

You seem unable to answer simple questions. I’ll ask again just in case you missed it before:
Again, are you claiming that there is no disproportionate occurrence towards minorities as opposed to non-minorities?

Does the answer cause physical pain?

Why do you think ignoring a problem makes it better? Simply because you don’t have to deal with it?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
DS 007 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jon lives in Muncie, IN. Years ago, he had a wife, 3 kids, and a job in a retirement home as a janitor. Life was lean but okay.

Then John learned about rent subsidies. They moved into a subsidized housing unit. They also qualified for food stamps. Life got better.

Jon then found out that if his wife was single, she’d get a chunk of gov’t money every month. Being on a roll, he talked her into pretending he’d left her. He’d then hide when the caseworker came by.

Soon, Jon quit his job. They had plenty of money, free healthcare, food stamps, you name it. BUT then, with no job, Jon got bored and drifted. He started drinking and discovered crack. He beat his wife nearly to death and she locked him out. So now, the kids have no dad, Jon is homeless and a crack addict, while welfare supports the kids.

The people who created the welfare state/Great Society have done their work.

Uh. Yeah. I’m sure that happens…uh…all the time.

Jon is a pseudonym for a cousin of mine. He’s now remarried and drugfree. His ex remarried and still lives in Muncie.

I’ve known others who lived like this. You’d be shocked.

My favorite memory from my younger days: a guy at a comm college making a fan out of his paycheck, welfare check, unemployment check, and his financial aid check. He said he also got food stamps.

The libs are brilliant in this btw. They tax productive behavior and encourage sleazy behavior. Certainly a good way to run a society…

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If he was my cousin I’d kick his ass. What’d you do?

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as a product of an interracial marriage and former participant in an interracial marriage which produced 2 beautiful multiracial children, here is my 2 cents.

  • as to the article, there IS a lot of “white-fear” out there. most whites, especially white males, have been brainwashed by the mass media and academia into believing the the world was a great shimmering Eden of equality and benevolence until they arrived on the scene and started dominating world geopolitics(western European), and now pretty much every social ill and disaster from the global influence of multinational corporations, global warming, mysterious force that makes one of a pair of socks disappear in the wash, is the fault of the all evil whitey.

most whites are cowards, who will cower in the presence of “minorities” and talk a bunch of smack in the security of their own home.

they are terrified of the political(and physical) beating they will receive if they dare utter the “n-word” but will let their black peers call them “white-boy”.

one thing i have learned, is that every-ones journey is different, and i will never know what my ex wife, or for that matter Professor X, has gone through and what it feels like to be a black person in America. i don’t even try anymore, as i am sure that they are never going to understand (or care to) what i have been through and how it affects how i see things.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
When did the American dream become the African American dream? I don’t believe that was what MLK had in mind.

“And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.” Dr Martin Luther King

Again, stop looking at negatives in society as an association with race and that will go a long way to fixing that. T%he problem is, you don’t want to do that, and neither do many “nonminorities”. You want to continue that concept while also looking down on those who associate by race.

Again, how does this make sense to you? Either get rid of it all…or shut up about it.

Ok, if those are my choices then I choose to get rid of all labels.

So all blacks in the US are just American’s, no better and no worse than anyone else. No special privileges, no special treatment, no affirmative action choosing them over other equally or more qualified candidates, no nothing!

Sounds good to me.

If there were truly no discrimination based on race, no profiling and no social barriers, there would be no need for programs designed to overcome those. [/quote]

I never understood how programs designed to reduce discrimination by utilizing preferences based on race (discrimination) could either reduce discrimination or teach society in general that discrimination was wrong? That is like trying to teach people to not play with matches by burning them with matches. But that is another issue.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
as a product of an interracial marriage and former participant in an interracial marriage which produced 2 beautiful multiracial children, here is my 2 cents.

  • as to the article, there IS a lot of “white-fear” out there. most whites, especially white males, have been brainwashed by the mass media and academia into believing the the world was a great shimmering Eden of equality and benevolence until they arrived on the scene and started dominating world geopolitics(western European), and now pretty much every social ill and disaster from the global influence of multinational corporations, global warming, mysterious force that makes one of a pair of socks disappear in the wash, is the fault of the all evil whitey.
    [/quote]

The correct term is Cracker!

Again, the term is Cracker!

Excellent point!

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Oh boo-fucking-hoo

Society’s a turkey shoot these days; I sometimes think people spend too much time wondering/ worrying about the meta and not about themselves.

I don’t give a fuck about your race and I sure as fuck don’t give a fuck about how other people/ institutions/ animals/ vegetables or minerals treat your race.

To me, what is important is how I treat you.

Personal repsonsibility is everything: I’m not my brother’s keeper. I have enough trouble keeping myself; thus anyone who puports to be speaking for me me is talking out their backside.

A few other notes:

As PtDR said: racism, or perhaps more correctly, the issues surrounding race, are everywhere:

We have the same issues, although with a slightly different slant in New Zealand between the Maori (the native, pre-european race) and the government pertaining to settlement grievances from the past etc.

The thing is, apart from the 10% white nutters at one end and the 10% maori nutters - everyone else, from both maori and euro/ other racial groupings
just wishes that:
[1] Both polarised ends would shut up about what they want and work towards what’s best for everyone
[2] An agreement would be reached that didn’t result in one side being ‘the winner’
[3]…and can we please just get the fuck on with our lives???

With regards to profiling; it sucks, but in some fields (like mine: where I deal with documents of national identity) it’s a necessity.

Is the profile predicated with malice-aforethought? No - is it applied like that in some cases? I don’t doubt it, however, if someone was caught doing such they’d be nailed to tree somewhere.

…And don’t talk to me about profiling: do you have any idea how sick I get of being pulled out a airports because I look like a psychopath? (But as I said: boo-fucking-hoo).

One thing I’d be interested in getting
people’s opinions on:

Do you get tired of being accused of racism or uncle tomism or try-hardism or whatever if you call someone out on something:

Example: Person X screws up. (They are bright green - everyone else is a lovely shade of chartreuse); you haul them up for screwing up and you get the…you’re picking on me cos I’m green…sigh No, I’m picking on you cos you’re a fuckup.

Example: A sickly white kid likes hard core rap and gets accused of being a tryhard gansta (so much for simply liking the music) or A black kid is into shit, I don’t know, Crosby Stills and Nash? and gets called a Tom.

but as I said: Boo-fucking-hoo

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
The following quote is one that backs the observation and point made earlier in this thread that racism appears to be worse in northern states as opposed to southern states.

“the prejudice of race appears to be stronger in the states that have abolished slavery than in those where it still exists; and nowhere is it so intolerant as in those states where servitude has never been known.”

Alexis de Tocqueville in Democracy in America

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This is because most of the people in these states think it doesn’t exist. However, Its not that it doesn’t exist it has evolved to the point that no one recognizes it…I believe the word being used nowadays is “preference”. Having leaved in cali for almost 10 years I can tell you that the quote is true…

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
When did the American dream become the African American dream? I don’t believe that was what MLK had in mind.

“And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.” Dr Martin Luther King

Again, stop looking at negatives in society as an association with race and that will go a long way to fixing that. T%he problem is, you don’t want to do that, and neither do many “nonminorities”. You want to continue that concept while also looking down on those who associate by race.

Again, how does this make sense to you? Either get rid of it all…or shut up about it.

Ok, if those are my choices then I choose to get rid of all labels.

So all blacks in the US are just American’s, no better and no worse than anyone else. No special privileges, no special treatment, no affirmative action choosing them over other equally or more qualified candidates, no nothing!

Sounds good to me.
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sounds good to me too especially when the “no worse than anyone else” starts getting applied to us I take that over affirmative action any day of the week