“But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
Apparently, white culture has taught us to fear black men. I never knew…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Apparently, white culture has taught us to fear black men. I never knew…
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Hmmm, black culture is also taught to fear white men (especially the ones who wear uniforms) so I guess we’re even.
In all seriousness though, don’t people particularly fear that which they don’t understand? I think younger generations have closer contact with differing cultures so there is less of this abstract “fear”. My grandmother did not have these conditions growing up and we just laughed at her when she spouted her wacky views and told her “things” have changed.
Also I think the use of the term fear is not correct. I am not afraid of snakes but I certainly give them room when I think they might be particularly harmful to my health.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
Apparently, white culture has taught us to fear black men. I never knew…
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this is controversial why?
I think Barack may have lost the nomination over these recent developments. He has certainly lost his momentum.
The whole grandmother anecdote is a clumsy mess.
[quote]100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
“But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
Apparently, white culture has taught us to fear black men. I never knew…
this is controversial why?[/quote]
You can’t see the double standard?
Seriously, if a white politician said something about a “typical black person” there would be an uproar.
Iraq
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Iraq[/quote]
I see your point. Might as well get it over with.
Also, muslims are violent, austrian economics rock, the jews did it, morality is relative, and Bush sucks.
That should cover it for the next week.
[quote]100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
“But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
Apparently, white culture has taught us to fear black men. I never knew…
this is controversial why?[/quote]
The statement “…typical white person…” is why. He is saying that a person will behave a certain way, typically, because they are white; or that it is a white trait. If you were to say something like “Like the typical black person, you’ll find him huddled around the fried chicken in the buffet line.” There’s nothing wrong with fried chicken, liking it, eating it or black people liking it. It is a fairly innocuous statement except in the fact that you assigned a behaviour to a person because of their skin color.
Really, I don’t give a shit. We are too race sensitive in this country. Not everything is a racial issue. It would behoove us all to just not so damn sensitive all the time. People of different races have different traits, I don’t see why we can’t notice them and talk about them with out being labeled a racist.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
Apparently, white culture has taught us to fear black men. I never knew…
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I blame the war in Iraq and U.S. foreign policy.
You are all acting like “typical white people,” right Prof X?
The word “stereotype” exists for a reason.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The word “stereotype” exists for a reason.[/quote]
So people can type on two computers at the same time.
[quote]new2training wrote:
100meters wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
“But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
Apparently, white culture has taught us to fear black men. I never knew…
this is controversial why?
You can’t see the double standard?
Seriously, if a white politician said something about a “typical black person” there would be an uproar.
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It might have been the white half of Obama saying it.
But seriously, she’s a typical white person, because of this specific feeling isn’t really controversial.
Also there is a (fake) uproar over this, so not really a double standard.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The word “stereotype” exists for a reason.
So people can type on two computers at the same time.[/quote]
ZING!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The word “stereotype” exists for a reason.
So people can type on two computers at the same time.[/quote]
you are on fire in this thread.
I don’t know if Obama’s run is “over” yet, but he has been forcibly dragged from the “candidate who ‘Transcends Race’” to something entirely different. But that can’t be blamed on Hannity or Limbaugh (the only ones really pouncing on these stories at first), it’s Obama’s own fault really. He has chosen to surround himself with people who are quite outspoken on the issue. If McCain was found to have surrounded himself with advisors who were spouting off about “black people” this and “damn mexicans” that, he’d not only be out of a political career, he’d probably get burned in effigy. And possibly NOT in effigy, as well.
It’s not a matter of what he said, but that he said it at all.
Sorry to say it, but he does not get carte blanche just because he is black and running for POTUS.
He is going to be held to the same PC bullshit standard that whitey is held to. I think it is stupid that the First Amendment is not applicable to the highest office in the world.
I don’t think he said anything wrong - it’s the unwritten “don’t piss anyone off” rules that is wrong.
Hell, Trent Lott was forced to resign as Majority Leader for less offensive speech than what Sadaam is spewing.
I posted this yesterday on the other thread:
Obama, commenting on his use of his grandmother as an example in his speech:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillygossip/16851906.html
[i]Thursday, March 20, 2008
Obama on WIP: My grandmother’s a “typical white person”
We thought we heard this, but we wanted to go back and listen to the clip of Sen. Barack Obama on 610 WIP this morning to be sure.
610 WIP host Angelo Cataldi asked Obama about his Tuesday morning speech on race at the National Constitution Center in which he referenced his own white grandmother and her prejudice. Obama told Cataldi that “The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know (pause) there’s a reaction in her that doesn’t go away and it comes out in the wrong way.”
We doubt this story will have legs, but wonder if Hillary Clinton referred to a “typical black person,” would we ever hear the end of it?
UPDATE: We gave the Obama campaign a chance to respond to this post. “Barack Obama said specifically that he didn’t believe his grandmother harbored any racial animosity, but that her fears were understandable and typical of those often shared by her generation,” said Obama’s PA spokesman Sean Smith, who added that Grandma is 86-years-old. He might have meant that specifically, but that isn’t what he said, especially as he spoke of his grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, in the present tense. The Clinton campaign has not yet returned our request for comment on Obama’s remarks. We aren’t holding our breath for a Clinton comment.[/i]
Hmmm. “Typical white person” - representing the “white community” I guess?
Also, just for reference, here’s the grandmother anecdote:
I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
Just your typical white person.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The word “stereotype” exists for a reason.[/quote]
I actually agree with you, but a politician running for President and trying to be “post-racial” can’t do this stuff.
[quote]new2training wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Iraq
I see your point. Might as well get it over with.
Also, muslims are violent, austrian economics rock, the jews did it, morality is relative, and Bush sucks.
That should cover it for the next week. [/quote]
Chill…We’re making Lixy happy. Every thread has to have Iraq somwhere in it. Its an inside joke. ;D