A person could start a successful business from nothing, or they could start a successful business with a $1,000,000 starting capital. Both scenarios shouldn’t lead the businesses to be discredited, but it was a hell of a lot easier for the second example to get above ground.
As long as the person that had the starting capital doesn’t think he’s superior to the man who did it with nothing but his own resources then there’s not a problem.
I get what you’re saying now. Since there is a spectrum of advantages, and everyone has benefited from medicine at some point, you think there simply is no such thing as a “natural” athlete… that makes all the other discussion moot, since there is no benchmark.
This is the classic steroid user’s cope. There’s generally pretty well understood and agreed upon meaning of what’s natural: no usage Anabolic steroids, TRT, SARMS, SERMS, pro hormones, human growth hormone, igf-1, injectable peptides, insulin, T-3, clenbuterol, albuterol, HCG. If you take these things, you can’t call yourself natural.
I stated Anabolic steroids in my list, although I don’t use cortico either. Also I listed albuterol. I am pretty well aligned with WADA’s list
Reminds me of the mid 1970’s where my wife (at that time) worked as a respiratory therapist. She told the doctors she worked around (most of whom wanted to get into her pants) that I was taking steroids. In those days the doctors asked her why anyone would take steroids (corticosteroids.) I laughed.
Ranolazine bro! Doing a gram a day!
Thats why I cant loose weight. Its already all muscle. 
My olympic aspirations have been quelled, but back in the day when Kurt Angle was the local legend I was raring to go!
Yep!
Even long before then. Growing up he was in the township/school district next to where I lived. It was pretty well known he was a champion, and a nice surprise when he took the gold.
Kirk Angle!
I like the approach Corpse Grinder (from cannibal corpse) takes.
A lot of security guys will come up to me and complain about working out, but having skinny necks, and ask how I do it. I tell them to listen to [SLAYER’s] ‘Reign In Blood’ and headbang the whole way through after working out."
I’ll take the fat reduction option. I have enough muscle, if I could keep that and instantly lose 10lbs of fat… yes please.
No pro hormones?
If you take pro hormones, you’re definitely not natural lol
Sorry I should have written more, I didn’t know what they were and wondered if some items I’d call supplements are pro hormones?
I’m googling what they are now.
They’re Anabolic androgenic steroid precursors that convert to a steroid hormone after ingestion. I’m pretty sure they’re banned in the US, but I don’t know about other countries.
He is kinda fat, but looks to be someone with the genetics to be quite strong if he partied less and lifted more (especially if he got into AAS).
Well even beyond Wada, I consider using it to any degree as disqualifying One from being natural. I’m not really arguing if it’s cheating or not. And I agree, the McGwire comment was a good one lol
Trust me, McGwire was my favorite player growing up, I definitely followed all of this story. From the disappointing court appearance in 05, to his heart breaking but inevitable admittance in 2010. I was a little kid when he was still playing, so I definitely didn’t get in on the andro train, and wasn’t even aware of the story at the time. A handful of guys at my high school used prohormones and didn’t really look like they lifted at all.
Just an interesting Mark McGwire stat: he has the lowest at bats per home run at 10.61. Babe Ruth is second at 11.76, which isn’t really close.
For current baseball players Aaron Judge is the lowest at 12.24
I remember being in the college weightroom around this time when a big-ish dude started chatting with me about Andro. “It’s great dude! Totally legal, and I’m getting huge. It’s weird though: I’ll just start crying out of nowhere. But it’s so worth it!”
Truly wild times, haha.
