Why did you do this? So for clarity to all who might not be familiar with significant digits, home runs and at bats are not measured (variable) data. They are discrete (or attribute) data. Significant digits do not apply.
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Or even more digits, approaching infinity.
But pragmatically, no more digits are needed than enough to show a distinction.
What about 1/3? The correct decimal representation requires an infinite number of digits.
For a job opening they interviewed an engineer, a mathematician, and a statistician. They asked each what the answer to 1 divided by 3 is. The engineer replied “0.33 is enough for most calculations”. The mathematician replied “1/3, as it loses no accuracy”. The statistician replied, “what do you want it to be?”.
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I’m probably in the minority on this, but to me, if you ACTUALLY wanted to level the playing field and eliminate cheating (as far as drugs are concerned, specifically), don’t ban ANY substances. I don’t wanna see a single fucking natty football player in my dream-version of the NFL. You certainly eliminate the cheating when you eliminate the rule that the cheaters are breaking. So to me, pragmatically, THIS would be the fairest situation.
I might even be able to be convinced that cyborgs should be allowed to participate in the NFL in the future. Or well-trained gorillas.
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you’re suggesting that this list, specifically, is ‘generally well understood and agreed upon’?
Even WADA doesn’t agree with this. And plenty of people would use the WADA banned substance list as a way to define natty vs not.
I think your list is a pretty good place to start, and I’d probably agree that most of the things on your list constitute ‘not natty’, but there are plenty of things not on the list that many, many people would ALSO say makes a person not natty.
Also: I’d take albuterol off the list for sure. I grew up using albuterol inhalers because I had severe asthma. I don’t think this cancelled my membership in the natty club at the time.
why? are you saying they don’t work?
And here I was, thinking that I was fine saying he had 10 at bats for every 1 home run! Truly an insane stat. I actually have a little book that my dad gave me about little Mark McGwire facts that mentions that!
@T3hPwnisher when I was in high school one of my buddies was researching pro hormones in government class(he hadn’t started lifting yet, he was going to begin the pro hormones and lifting at the same time) and he was so excited about it and talking about how huge he was going to be. I remember a Hodgetwins video where they reacted to a guy who’s eyes turned yellow and had contracted jaundice from using pro hormones. I warned my friend about that and showed him the video, but he was too excited about becoming monstrously huge to care.
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If only we could get high school kids as fired up about drinking a gallon of milk and doing 20 rep squats…
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You’re probably right. I’m not familiar with all of the substances out there, nor did I even know what albuterol did. I just tried to give a decent list of what most people would probably say makes you “not natty”. Generally think if you’re just taking creatine, whey protein (which is pretty much just food), EAAs/BCAAs, Cyclic Dextrin(again pretty much just food), and/or caffeine you’re probably safe. Again, not a comprehensive list, but a general example of supplements you can take and still be considered “natty”.
You’re absolutely right! Sadly to a lot of teens and beginners, lifting and eating are the “boring” parts. The supplements do all the work, and without those, you’re basically pissing in the wind and will make no gains! These guys just need to be re-wired. They also need to stop thinking about genetics.
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Joe Weider originally sold plates and bars and racks and almost went bankrupt. He switched to supplements and became…Joe Weider.
Bob Hoffman sold 5 different protein supplements. I take that back: he sold the same supplement in 5 different packages: each one had different mixing instructions for a different effect. The slim and trim was mixed in water, the bulk and muscle was mixed in heavy cream.
But at least no snakes were harmed!
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Lose the fat
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Home run records seem like a weird metric for evaluating hitters, due to the fields not being standardized. Can’t it be significantly more difficult to hit a HR in some stadiums than others? Having a home field that is small would be an advantage.
I don’t know what Mark’s home field was like. I am not trying to take away from him. Just been thinking that HR stats are a bit apples to oranges for different players.
I agree. I was just insisting further clarity. IMO, too few people understand significant digits to kid around with those of us that do appreciate your humor. `
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No different than knock out percentages in boxing/MMA. You knocked out Chuck Liddell? Big deal: let me know when you knocked out Kazuyki Fujita.
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Ken Shamrock came pretty close before having a heart attack in the middle of the ring! Lol just an insane fight
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I know you know a lot about this, so I’ll move to my most important point first. Which is, the legal vs chemical vs marketing definitions for prohormones aren’t the same, and I think it’s important to clarify that to the people who read these threads and aren’t aware. A good example of this is epistane. Epistane was legally sold as a prohormone until the most recent steroid act that banned it… In 2012 I think? (In the US). But epistane is a steroid, and a very effective one. It was the first one I ever used, and I used it before I dipped my toes in injectables. Chemically, it is a steroid. Marketing-wise, it’s always been considered to be a prohormone. Legally, it wasn’t a steroid, then it was.
I think these distinctions are important in conversations like these. There are a lot of products out there with similar ambiguity, as far as the consumer is concerned.
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Like kicking field goals in Denver.
I always thought about this with WR/ QB relationships. I mean, who else might Jerry Rice have put in the HoF besides “just” Montana and Young? How many (more) records would Steve Smith have broken had he had anyone to throw him the ball? Was Chris Carter (since I think he’s an idiot) anything without Randall Cunningham?
That’s just sports I guess.
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It also helped that he had Moss usually being doubled teamed, leaving him more open for several years of his career. Jake Reed was no slouch either. Most QBs would look pretty good with those receivers. The fact they had a QB with a cannon of an arm, that could run a sub 4.5 40 helps too. That offense was special.
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We’re on the same page there - Moss was a Pro Bowler at 50% effort.
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