Cheating to me is breaking the rules to get an unfair advantage in some sort of competition.
You are breaking the rules in most countries because they are not legal, but it is unclear what you have an advantage in.
One could be on TRT (which is in many cases a low dose perma blast), that isn’t breaking the rules, and it is unclear what sort of competition you have an advantage in (unless you are competing in something which forbids it).
I haven’t seen it. When i get a chance with the kids out, i’ll check it out.
It’s an older one. Came out in '08, before Mark Bell got famous. I imagine it helped him rise to fame.
I like your phrase here. “breaking the rules to get an UNFAIR advantage”.
It implies that one can break the rules simply to have a fair advantage, or, perhaps, simply be EQUAL to the competition, and that it would NOT be cheating to do so.
As in: the genetically inferior utilizing chemical assistance to be on-par with the genetically advantaged.
I second this recommendation – really good film. And much more professionally done than I was expecting.
For @dagill2 the film is called “bigger, faster, stronger”.
The standard for fair competition is that all are on a fair playing field as naturals in open competition (things like pro open sports: NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL). It is important that it is defined for that level of competition.
Things like academic competition get hairier.
Well yeah, but that’s not a discussion, haha.
That is where cheating is relevant though.
I don’t see how steroid use without any competition is cheating. What are you cheating at? Being jacked?
As you see it: for sure. But again, I find the phrasing you used interesting. Why would we specify breaking the rules to gain an unfair advantage. Why not “breaking the rules to get an advantage” or, even more simply “breaking the rules”.
Like, think of Tim Slyvia, who used steroids because he wanted to look better on camera while fighting in the UFC. Still breaking the rules.
What I can’t wrap my mind around is the notion of being willing to take a drug so potent that it works even if one doesn’t train* but at the same time not being willing to take 5 lbs of consequence free muscle.
Edit: *And obviously works better if one trains.
This is exactly what steroid use equates to. Same method of administration too. Interesting choice of words.
Also, I would take the 5 pounds of muscle. Much harder to get than losing fat. Fat loss is pretty easy by comparison!
I would think most anyone would accept that passing an Olympic sport’s drug test would fall into the fair category internationally. And internationally, if you failed the drug test you would be considered “cheating.”
That said, you are free to seek a federation that has its own drug rules and compete “fairly” within that federation. But for general conversation it is verbal gymnastics to claim to not be cheating.
I should state that a fair number of our supplements would fail an Olympics drug test. So there is that to consider.
What’s interesting is you are you. So to not take it because I didn’t have to do anything for it doesn’t make sense to me.
I’ll be taking my free 5 and building on it.
Another person may get their free 5 and it will be gone in 6 months.
I realize that, but I think that’s how rules are written in these sports.
This would mean that Lance Armstrong didn’t cheat then. Because he cheated the test. Lol.
Sure he cheated. But if you are going to cheat you better be good at it. Lance knew he was cheating and he was pretty good at it. So what’s your point?
I am not under the delusion that there are no Olympic athletes that cheat.
My point was passing the drug test doesn’t necessarily mean something falls into the fair category.
Pragmatically it is as fair as it can get.
Since drug testing began, there has been a continuous battle between the athlete trying to beat the test and the ruling body trying to catch the athlete cheating.
Humans being human, this I can certainly agree with.
I agree with both of you on this. I think it’s disingenuous to then say you’re engaging in “debate” (not saying either of you did that here).
It’s why I don’t go to the politics forum - I’m not open to having my mind changed, and I’m unlikely to respect anyone else’s opinion, so why should I presume they should listen to me?
I’m absolutely happy to be a spectator, though!
On that note…
What? I don’t get this
We’re in the Flatliners Club! 🏋♂️
You’re only allowed in if you come back though. No dead-beats. (See what I did there!)
You what I’m disappointed by? No super powers. I went all the way to the other side and all I got was this stupid shirt!
I’ll take the weight loss. I dunno if its the meds or just lack of exercise/recovery capacity, but I cant loose weight for sh*t anymore.
