How is it weird? Im putting my health on the line my whole life to earn every lb my body allows me to gain. I am literally giving my ALL to that.
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I mean, perma-blast gainz aren’t “free”, but they’re like discount-gainz.
You may have paid for them, you just didn’t pay as much as the rest of us 
No no, my friend.
Eating certain foods and going to the gym is only half the work. I, especially, if ever come across some health issues, have put in twice as much 
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But your body isn’t allowing you gain the extra muscle. The drugs are. Sure, this still requires hard training (which the drugs facilitate), but you’re certainly enjoying the muscle and strength that would not be possible without them. “Earned” in this case has an asterisk.
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This is such an interesting argument as to what we value more. Is it hard work? Sacrificing health markers? Monetary costs?
Your body probably would have died at some point in your life of an infection unless you took antibiotics. Most people would not be alive today without ABs also. Steroids have been in sport for close to 100 years now. Ignoring that fact is like cherry picking the wars you fight but still call yourself a soldier.
I believe otherwise.
Naturals cherry pick what they are ok to do, what not, they stay on the safe side all their lives but then bitch if someone gets results by learning, experimenting and risking on a whole different level. Its like NOT willing to pay for higher education and not going to early classes because you are sleepy but then bitch when someone gets a better diploma and later a better job.
Its a part of taking things to the next level. Taking the extra step. Eating clean and doing pushups is the most basic and first step if all one has to do to actually reach his full potential.
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I guess I’m an outlier since I’d pick the fat loss, especially if I got to pick where it came from. Immediately losing 10 lbs of fat from only my torso would make a way bigger immediate difference to what my physique looks like than adding another 5 lbs of muscle. And it would make a bigger difference in my overall health too – perhaps I’d finally be able to pass that silly height/waist size thing Chris wrote about. (It’s silly only because I can’t pass it.)
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I would definitely choose 10 lbs of immediate fat loss over 5 lbs of immediate new muscle. Being ten pounds lighter - if I could keep the muscle I have - would do wonders for me on the mat.
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As I see the OP’s question, it is independent of AAS use. E.g., At this moment I have gained as much muscle as a can taking AAS. Would I prefer 5lbs more muscle or loss of 10lbs of fat? I would take 5lbs more muscle every time.
I see @hankthetank89 point. If it is free to all, it has zero value.
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Definitely take the muscle. I lost around 15lbs in 5-6 weeks the beginning of the year and if anything it was way easier than I thought it’d be - I just reverted back to the habits of the old skinny me.
Did you just compare taking medicine to stop yourself from dying to taking something your body doesn’t need that could cause earlier death?
No. It’s like paying for a higher education, going to early classes and then getting a worse diploma because that other guy in your class has been on his phone in tests and sucking the teachers dick.
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You still got a better deal than the other guy.
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Two different arguments are occurring and it’s fantastic to watch.
One is arguing that taking steroids makes it easier to build muscle than not taking steroids. Both sides are in violent agreement about that.
One is arguing to taking steroids is a greater sacrifice than NOT taking steroids in the pursuit of building muscle. Both side are in violent agreement about that.
From here, we just keep agreeing louder and louder with each other. Neither side is disputing the other’s claim.
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I find what you think in this particular instance to be silly 
I do not feel I was trying to say anything, but, instead, that I said it. We may disagree, which is fine, but interpretation is not necessary.
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You’re overanalyzing and completely missing the point of the analogy. I and many others just aren’t going to take too kindly to somebody implying naturals don’t put in the hard work that steroid users do. It was a ridiculous, arrogant statement.
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Another thing we can disagree on: how excellent
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You will have to forgive me, but your opinion on my health and training is not something I give weight to.
But this is why it’s great to agree to disagree.
This is the interesting bit for me
The only real point of disagreement seems to be the idea that steroids is “cheating”, unless i’ve missed something. It would be interesting to explore why people feel that way or don’t feel that way.
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And that’s where I fall back to the premise. If we consider something that makes things easier to be cheating, then yeah: it’s cheating. The counter arguments presented are true: lots of things make gaining muscle easier, so why do we single out that one? Could it be the incurred health sacrifice? Well alongside that, we also deal with issues of legality and availability.
This is why I like solipsism : far less messy.
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I have no intention on changing my decision on steroid use, so this is all just me being curious about why people feel the way they do.
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More people need to open discussions this way. I’m the same. I appreciated Chris Bell’s film on it though.
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