Everyone here is talking about carry guns, isn’t it illegal to carry a concealed weapon? or is the permit much easier to get than I’ve been led to believe? I’m from Illinois if that helps anyone. My dad has some nice refurbished m1911’s, as well as a long barreled 9mm pistol (easiest to shoot).
For home defense, go with the H&K MP5. nothing like a good paramilitary submachine gun to stop a robber. heh. or a .308 rifle. my dad has one, pretty bad ass rifle, shells 3 inches tall, he’s gotten deer, moose, and a bear with it. seriously though, unless you want to shoot through the robber and still have the bullet go a good 1/2 mile, dont use a .308.
Anyway, Blaze_108 brings up a good point: know your law. Don’t be a jerk carrying a gun without knowledge. You will fuck yourself. I mean this literally. If you carry a gun without proper knowledge or a permit, you are going to make a huge mistake and YOU will be the criminal. That’s why I recommended the Ayoob book as an intro to the complicated issues surrounding civilian gun use and ownership.
Also blaze_108, yes, CCW is legal in about 40 states as far as I remember. Anyone who carries without a permit is pretty damned idiotic.
I can understand carrying in a life or death scenario without a permit, but I don’t think our situation in the U.S. has come to that. Anyone who doesn’t like their state handgun laws is welcome to move.
For that matter, states have the right to ban guns all they want (and people have a right to dispute it as well), but the federal government has NO right to ban them.
[quote]conwict wrote:
Anyway, Blaze_108 brings up a good point…[/quote]
If he brought up a good point, it was purely accidental. Anyone who relies on Grand Theft Auto for home defense tips should not be taken seriously. I hope Blaze_108’s Dad keeps his weapons well secured.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
conwict wrote:
Anyway, Blaze_108 brings up a good point…
If he brought up a good point, it was purely accidental. Anyone who relies on Grand Theft Auto for home defense tips should not be taken seriously. I hope Blaze_108’s Dad keeps his weapons well secured.
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Right, I should have said “he brings me to a good point, because…”
Not to dis Blaze_108 and the .454 casul guy but people in firearms discussions are often uninformed and that seems to be contagious. Don’t follow advice on a whim, please research more for yourself.
[quote]conwict wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
conwict wrote:
Anyway, Blaze_108 brings up a good point…
If he brought up a good point, it was purely accidental. Anyone who relies on Grand Theft Auto for home defense tips should not be taken seriously. I hope Blaze_108’s Dad keeps his weapons well secured.
Right, I should have said “he brings me to a good point, because…”
Not to dis Blaze_108 and the .454 casul guy but people in firearms discussions are often uninformed and that seems to be contagious. Don’t follow advice on a whim, please research more for yourself.
Exactly, using an MP 5 is kind of stupid. Even if justified, the weapon you use might cause problems. 12 gauge or other shotgun, very common. Antiterrorist weapon might cause some eyebrow raising, even if it was legal shoot.
There are multiple factors in a weapon for home defense. what is the layout of your house, are there other people present in your home, do you have neighbors where a round might penetrate and travel into their home? Can you handle the weapon?
There is so much that goes into this. I took a defensive shooting course for handguns and was trained on the laws of when, why and so on. I did my range time. I can handle a shotgun very well in combat circumstances and can shoot a rifle very well.
Using a gun for self defense isn’t a whim, it’s serious business. Reading in the Gravest Extreme is a fantastic idea.
Wow. figured any self respecting gun junkie would know i was joking. most people don’t have access to counter terrorist weapons. If i was going to say a grand theft auto weapon, I’d definitely go with the M4A1 tactical assault rifle. An MP5 is just the first gun that popped into my head.
obviously, using one in self defense would be stupid. now, if we’re talking a Kalashnikov…just kidding. The weapons for defense in my house are the shotguns, 12 gauge double barrel side-by-side.not kept loaded, in a front glassed case for emergency retrieval, shells stored a few feet away.
Favorite pistol i’ve fired was the m1911, kicked like a mule, but you could feel the power. at ranges of up to 20 feet, they call me The PopCan Bane. lol.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
Wow. figured any self respecting gun junkie would know i was joking. most people don’t have access to counter terrorist weapons. If i was going to say a grand theft auto weapon, I’d definitely go with the M4A1 tactical assault rifle. An MP5 is just the first gun that popped into my head.
obviously, using one in self defense would be stupid. now, if we’re talking a Kalashnikov…just kidding. The weapons for defense in my house are the shotguns, 12 gauge double barrel side-by-side.not kept loaded, in a front glassed case for emergency retrieval, shells stored a few feet away.
Favorite pistol i’ve fired was the m1911, kicked like a mule, but you could feel the power. at ranges of up to 20 feet, they call me The PopCan Bane. lol.[/quote]
Sorry, like it was said, there’s a lot of nonsense talk about guns out there. From my experience, very few people know what they need to know to effectively defend themselves. not just in weapon choice, tactics, and marksmanship, but the legal implications.
I get what you mean, but there are places for jokes and places for giving good advice. I don’t mean to be a hardass but the guy who started the thread had a legit question.
[quote]conwict wrote:
Wow. figured any self respecting gun junkie would know i was joking.
I get what you mean, but there are places for jokes and places for giving good advice. I don’t mean to be a hardass but the guy who started the thread had a legit question.[/quote]
“I was joking”, is a typical juvenile response. Kids wonder why grownups don’t take them seriously, that is aside from their lack of actual relevant life experience.
The thing is, all these guys (as far as I have read) are posting good ideas.
But what makes the difference is factors like this:
-What you can afford (duh) - any gun’s often better than no gun if you will be going without for a long time. There ARE bargains out there. Lots of people are firearms snobs but there are half-cost guns that do the job.
-What you can conceal - Unless you have a big jacket, sweatshirt, fatigues, etc, it will be hard to conceal a 1911.
-Ammo type. Different people have different preferences. (Please don’t argue 9mm vs 45, etc)…38 spl +P, 9mm +P, 45, and 357 mag are all time-tested and reliable. 357 sig and 10mm are basically redundant and expensive.
.22, .25 auto, .32 cal, and .380 are not very good for a reliable defensive/tactical round. The advantage of these are their concealability. You will really have to rely on shot placement with them.
-Gut feeling. Some people like the way a Springfield XD feels and shoots better than a Glock. On paper they’re very similar, but some people develop a strong feeling one way or the other.
I really, really encourage everyone here to read In the Gravest Extreme. It deals very well with issues like machismo, shooting to kill (which you should always do IF you have to shoot), not drawing unless you are ready to shoot, and most importantly legal repercussions and matters.
…I really, really encourage everyone here to read In the Gravest Extreme. It deals very well with issues like machismo, shooting to kill (which you should always do IF you have to shoot), not drawing unless you are ready to shoot, and most importantly legal repercussions and matters.
I ordered this book the other day. Will read in the coming weeks and report here.[/quote]
Glad to hear. If anyone has Ayoob’s Stressfire series or his more tactically-focused material, I’d like to hear from him or her on this thread or via PM.
In case anyone don’t know, Massad Ayoob is a firearms educator/trainer and former police officer. He has some really amazing achievements under his belt, like being the ONLY one of 600 officers to pass an “unbeatable” Duelatron course (Duelatron is a dynamic interactive target shooting system that is used for training and skill assessment).
Here is an article about him. He also writes for an online publication called Backwoodsmag and some others.
