I have grown up with boy scouts and have been an NRA member for years. That said I have never been really into keeping up with everything…
I have been contemplating a 45 as of late and am looking for recommendations. I am a pretty good shot with my 22 target pistol (rueger) and my 357 revolver but I feel a 45 would be much better suited for home defense. I am not a fan of glocks but have heard good things about the sig… any suggestions??
Also, Whats a good rifle I can mount a scope on for some target practice?
I’m assuming you mean a bolt action rifle, as opposed to being one of the silly nannies who own an M4 with an enormous sniping scope on it.
I personally would recommend the Remington 700 series; it’s very reliable, tested throughout the ages, and I have never had any issues with mine. I’ve also heard good things about Savage’s.
A good bolt action rifle is actually a simple thing, and with a cheap to moderate budget (as was in my case, about 500-700 dollars) you can easily get something that is solid, accurate, and reliable.
I take it the revolver is a double action? If you’re good with that long pull a traditional Sig would be a decent choice. Some people don’t like that company anymore due to management changes and supposed drop in quality and customer service, but I haven’t had those issues. My P220 (.45 caliber) can be picky with ammo though due to a tight chamber.
My Glock 21 on the other hand eats any ammo I put in it. Heckler and Koch (HK) makes a couple good .45s, but spare mags are expensive as hell and it’s tough to find replacement parts. Then there’s all the 1911 clones out there. The best thing you can do is go to a shop and fingerbang as many different models as you can. Feel the trigger pull and check the controls (decocker/safety/slide release/etc) to see if they are in a comfortable position for you.
The rifle question is very vague. What kind of money are you looking to spend on the combination, because good glass will usually cost more than the rifle.
I highly suggest the Springfield XD-45. It’s a high capacity .45 and won pistol of the year a couple years back when it first came out. Lots of cops are switching to this from their Sigs. It feels great, very ergonomically friendly, and comes with a holster and magazine holster with 2 mags. It also has a built in utility rail below the barrel so if you want to add a light or laser all you have to do is screw it on with dovetail clamps. I think this is the absolute best .45 on the market right now.
As far a a rifle, the above post is right on the Remington 700. I own a savage and can attest to their accuracy and quality. Savages are very affordable (you’ll pay a lot more for a Remington or Winchester) and you can get whatever caliber you want; scopes attach to any bolt action rifle so long as the rifle is drilled for mounts.
If you’re just getting one for target practice with no intention to hunt with it, then I would get a small caliber rifle b/c shooting is getting really expensive. You get a .308 or 30-06 you’re looking at paying upwards of $15 for 20 rounds. I’d go with a Ruger 10/22 .22 caliber rifle. You can attach a scope, and they make so many different aftermarket barrels, stocks, ect for those so that you can customize the hell out of them, plus .22 ammo is dirt cheap.
I suggest looking at the classifieds and buying a rifle/pistol from a private individual so as to avoid all the paperwork and stay off the ‘Mans’ redlist of gunowners. This is perfectly legal as well and you can get a hell of a deal as well. Just a thought.
[quote]Krankphreak wrote:
I suggest looking at the classifieds and buying a rifle/pistol from a private individual so as to avoid all the paperwork and stay off the ‘Mans’ redlist of gunowners. This is perfectly legal as well and you can get a hell of a deal as well. Just a thought.[/quote]
Check your local and state laws before going this route. In many states a Federal Firearms License holder (gun shop) is required for the transfer of a pistol or rifle.
[quote]Krankphreak wrote:
I highly suggest the Springfield XD-45. It’s a high capacity .45 and won pistol of the year a couple years back when it first came out. Lots of cops are switching to this from their Sigs. It feels great, very ergonomically friendly, and comes with a holster and magazine holster with 2 mags. It also has a built in utility rail below the barrel so if you want to add a light or laser all you have to do is screw it on with dovetail clamps. I think this is the absolute best .45 on the market right now.
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blah blah blah. all of this is true.
plus if you are going to use it for home defense and not CCW, you can get the ‘tactical’ version which includes a 5in long barrel. pretty awesome-sauce IMO.
get the damn XD. don’t bother paying the extra money for the XDm version, it’s not worth it.
If a .45 is what you want go with the traditional 1911 models. Colt, Kimber, etc… These resale very good compared to the XD, Glock types in the .45 caliber. Most folks want a XD or Glock in .40 or 9MM.
I own an XD 9MM and Glock, Ruge.357, and have shot Colt and Kimber in .45. Glock is the most reliable of them all. Glock also has a much more resistant finish so cleaning is not an issue. My XD was in my glove box of car and would rust easily, the Glock will not.
If you like to shoot for fun the .45 is much more expensive.
For your rifle buy a .223 “AR 15” style gun. The annointed one wants them off the shelves of gun stores. You will get a good long term investment and ammo is cheap. Tons of ways to trick it out and have fun.
Academy Sports sells a S&W .223 for around $899. It needs options but a great base price.
If the rifle ins only for target practice, then get a .22, maybe a Ruger 10/22. They run about 230 or less. If, however, you want a .223 or some other higher powered rifle, I suggest the Ruger .223 Ranch rifle. These are great .223, that are basically designed like the old M1 Garand. This little guy will not jam, has a fairly good range on accuracy for such a short rifle, can be modified to look more tactical, and is significantly more affordable than ARs. Of course, many ARs are a great option, as well.
[quote]midnightamnesia wrote:
I suggest the Ruger .223 Ranch rifle. These are great .223, that are basically designed like the old M1 Garand. This little guy will not jam, has a fairly good range on accuracy for such a short rifle, can be modified to look more tactical, and is significantly more affordable than ARs.[/quote]
Plus you can reenact old A-Team episodes. Of course, those guys never actually hit anything.
Also, Whats a good rifle I can mount a scope on for some target practice?
I’m assuming you mean a bolt action rifle, as opposed to being one of the silly nannies who own an M4 with an enormous sniping scope on it.
I personally would recommend the Remington 700 series; it’s very reliable, tested throughout the ages, and I have never had any issues with mine. I’ve also heard good things about Savage’s.
A good bolt action rifle is actually a simple thing, and with a cheap to moderate budget (as was in my case, about 500-700 dollars) you can easily get something that is solid, accurate, and reliable.[/quote]
The only shitty thing about Savage’s was the trigger and stock; they updated the trigger around 2003 and now apparently they’ve got new stocks. Now they should be a great gun. If you happen to shoot left handed they’re also great because you can get their whole lineup with left handed receivers.
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
Question to all of you more experianced then I.
I have grown up with boy scouts and have been an NRA member for years. That said I have never been really into keeping up with everything…
I have been contemplating a 45 as of late and am looking for recommendations.
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Kimber Custom II is good. Stay away from the Para-ordnance 1911s. I think most of the 1911 45s more expensive than Kimber are very expensive (Les Baer, etc).
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Also, Whats a good rifle I can mount a scope on for some target practice?
I had a Ruger 10/22, decent gun. I would highly recommend the under-valued CZ 452 (any version). Out of the box has an excellent trigger, super accurate, and just plain fun. I’ve never met anyone who didn’t like it.
I shoot a Glock 21 most of the time. It’s much easier to disassemble and clean that any 1911 or even most Sig’s. And it’s NEVER jammed. I’ve jammed my friend’s Kimber and Sig but never my Glock.
My NRA instructor suggested a 20 gauge shotgun for home defense. Nothing will make a burglar shit his pants faster than the sound of a shotgun being cocked.
[quote]farmermaggot wrote:
My NRA instructor suggested a 20 gauge shotgun for home defense. Nothing will make a burglar shit his pants faster than the sound of a shotgun being cocked.[/quote]
that’s just fucking stupid.
if someone is illegally in my house stealing my shit and threatening my life, i am not going to rack a shotgun, chamber a round in my pistol, call out ‘HEY, i’m calling 911’ or any of those other stupid things.
you know what makes a burglar shit his pants? when i’ve drilled three .45 hollow-points into his chest.
if i’m robbing your house, i’m assuming you are either A.)not home B.)asleep and/or C.)not much of a threat.
racking a shotgun and announcing your presence only heightens the situation. now you have potentially turned his crime from a simply burglary into possible murder. you have also given up the element of surprise, location, AND the fact that you are armed.
and why the hell was a 20ga shotgun suggested to you by a supposed ‘NRA instructor’
the only conclusion i can draw from that is you are such a goddamn soyboy the instructor felt you lacked the appropriate amount of balls to handle a 12guage.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
farmermaggot wrote:
My NRA instructor suggested a 20 gauge shotgun for home defense. Nothing will make a burglar shit his pants faster than the sound of a shotgun being cocked.
that’s just fucking stupid.
if someone is illegally in my house stealing my shit and threatening my life, i am not going to rack a shotgun, chamber a round in my pistol, call out ‘HEY, i’m calling 911’ or any of those other stupid things.
you know what makes a burglar shit his pants? when i’ve drilled three .45 hollow-points into his chest.
if i’m robbing your house, i’m assuming you are either A.)not home B.)asleep and/or C.)not much of a threat.
racking a shotgun and announcing your presence only heightens the situation. now you have potentially turned his crime from a simply burglary into possible murder. you have also given up the element of surprise, location, AND the fact that you are armed.
and why the hell was a 20ga shotgun suggested to you by a supposed ‘NRA instructor’
the only conclusion i can draw from that is you are such a goddamn soyboy the instructor felt you lacked the appropriate amount of balls to handle a 12guage.
good day.[/quote]
Gotta agree with Mac on this one. Hopefully that instructor didn’t pull out the trifecta of fail and suggest birdshot.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
farmermaggot wrote:
My NRA instructor suggested a 20 gauge shotgun for home defense. Nothing will make a burglar shit his pants faster than the sound of a shotgun being cocked.
that’s just fucking stupid.
if someone is illegally in my house stealing my shit and threatening my life, i am not going to rack a shotgun, chamber a round in my pistol, call out ‘HEY, i’m calling 911’ or any of those other stupid things.
you know what makes a burglar shit his pants? when i’ve drilled three .45 hollow-points into his chest.
if i’m robbing your house, i’m assuming you are either A.)not home B.)asleep and/or C.)not much of a threat.
racking a shotgun and announcing your presence only heightens the situation. now you have potentially turned his crime from a simply burglary into possible murder. you have also given up the element of surprise, location, AND the fact that you are armed.
and why the hell was a 20ga shotgun suggested to you by a supposed ‘NRA instructor’
the only conclusion i can draw from that is you are such a goddamn soyboy the instructor felt you lacked the appropriate amount of balls to handle a 12guage.
good day.[/quote]
I asked about the 12 gauge. He said you wouldn’t want to hit a human body with a 12 gauge inside your house. Makes a hell of a mess and blasts your eardrums. This guy is a former cop and has been a certified NRA instructor for years so I assume he knows what he’s talking about. But I don’t doubt what you said, three slugs to the chest would be better.
I like Glocks and carry the G19 everyday. I’d recommend them to you highly. I never liked them till I bought one and like I said I carry it everyday.
As to 45’s. Springfield makes a good version, so does Sig. HK’s are a little big and slow to get into action w/o a lot of practice. I’d stay away from the 1911’s. Although they are a work of art they need a little more training to use for self defense imo.
I own Remington’s and Savages and plenty of others For the money I love Savage rifles. I have a Savage 10FP in .308 with a stock triggers and aftermarket stock that is a tack driver out to 600 yds. with handloads. The new models come with a much improved stock that I probably would have kept. This rifle will shoot sub moa out of the box with decent glass on it. You could spend a lot more money to get a rifles just as accurate. A Savage with glass mounted on it can be had for less then $750.00
The .45 is a fine defensive round. Shotguns can be a little trickier to use in self defense. They are not as quick as a pistol to fire multiple times at an intruder or intruder(s). Most are also difficult to reload beyond the initial load out. Finally home defense is often fought at close quarters. The shotty is a two handed weapon to shoot accurately and if an intruder is close up, and has some training ,he can immobilize your shotgun and/ or take it away from you far easier then a well retained pistol. stick with the pistol.
For the money I love Savage rifles. I have a Savage 10FP in .308 with a stock triggers and aftermarket stock that is a tack driver out to 600 yds. with handloads. The new models come with a much improved stock that I probably would have kept. This rifle will shoot sub moa out of the box with decent glass on it. You could spend a lot more money to get a rifles just as accurate. A Savage with glass mounted on it can be had for less then $750.00