[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Charged wrote:
Nice post crowbar, fact is, its about damage on his joints and bones, bodybuilding wouldnt have so much stress in those areas.
Uh-oh… All depends on how you go about it… A high-frequency bb routine with fairly high volume can be the death of your tendons, particularly with bad exercise selection.
I see your point with the max effort work, but bb training just gives you a slightly different set of problems.
You can injure yourself during a deadlift max single just as well as you can when doing a 12 rep set of rack pulls…
Very true. Injuries can be found readily in both activities. Either way, I think the point has been made…if you have an injury that docs say should avoid heavy lifting, then avoid the program that is supposedly so intense that recovery could be compromised…which was the point from the beginning.[/quote]
This is all true. But im pretty sure I, BODYBUILDER will be using heavy singles and triples to prime the nervous system followed by a more traditional bodybuilding set and rep scheme. Much like CT was doing in the video and much like his article that was posted this last week. Like he said the nervous systems where its at.
I can’t believe the ignorance of some on here, and then once they’re proven wrong, they move onto another moot point to attack.
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
But i sure wouldn’t go to a dentist for medical advice. [/quote]
But surely if a GP or such wasn’t present, a dentist would be a reasonable choice for medical advice? Obviously you wouldn’t primarily go to one for a fucking physical checkup, but that’s that same as saying “I wouldn’t go to a vet for medical advice”.
CP, I would’ve thought that you’d have to slowly ease back into lifting regardless of the “style” you choose to use (bodybuilding vs powerlifting). It’s going to be less intense, but your previous weight should come back relatively quickly provided you kept it for a while previously.
No intense program is a good idea IMO, judging but what the doctors have said. I think that is quite logical.
Ok…I agree with you here. Which is why I am confused because my GI doctor and surgeon said “avoid heavy deadlifts for a few months otherwise you risk a hernia” so that leaves one of the three lifts of powerlifting out for me.
So I figured OK, I’ll switch to bodybuilding for a few months using machines more and not focusing on the deadlift when some dentist tells me I’m an idiot for even asking about a bodybuilding workout.
I’m confused. Yesterday, in your other thread discussing your medical condition, you said your doctor told you not to lift anything more than 10lbs for 6 weeks. Was that limited to deadlifts? I imagine if you’re not supposed to deadlift more than 10lbs, you’re probably not supposed to be hitting even 50% on squats and presses.
I could be wrong, seeing as how I’m not a doctor under anyone’s definition… but I have had my fair share of post-surgery orders. Let your body heal.
He wants to hop on a mass gain program after the 6 week rest period.[/quote]
But you wont gain alot of mass unless you up the intensity.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Powerlifter following I, BODYBUILDER…
confused
Why not use Wendlers 5/3/1 with Cephs bodybuilding template ?
I lost 25 pounds due to being in the hospital for 2 weeks and I can’t lift heavy for 6 weeks post surgery. After the 6 weeks they doc’s don’t want me powerlifting for a few more months so to get my weight back up and to try something new I wanted to give this a shot.
This makes no sense.
You can’t “powerlift” for months…but in your mind, serious bodybuilding training is somehow less intense?
Wow.
Gee I’m sorry professor do you use powerlifting gear in your training? Do you train heavy singles in the deadlift on a regular basis?
No, I bench press over 450lbs on a weekly basis and move up to 11 plates a side on a squat machine for leg day. You seem to be missing the point here. That being that I TRAIN HARD AS DOES ANYONE ELSE SERIOUS ESPECIALLY SOMEONE LIKE CT. That means a program designed to be more intense than most, so much so that supplements are needed just to recover from all of it…sounds to you like something the doctors who told you not to powerlift would agree with?
Kid, I’m a doctor who is more than likely stronger than you. Nothing you wrote made any damn sense unless you for some strange reason think big arms are built with less intensity than you have trained with.[/quote]
You’re a dentist ok. Don’t try and get fancy.
He’s a dentist, and if somebody has a heart attack in the lobby, you should still call 911.
I believe CT said there’s still a way to go with I, BODYBUILDER. From the sounds of it, i’d give it atleast a couple of months. Having said that, I have read a few posts from your other thread, CrewPierce. I’m not going back to look, but I think you said that you had surgery and the doctor told you not to lift anything over 15 (?) lbs for 6 weeks? You really are thinking like a man obsessed with training, but the truth is you probably shouldn’t even be thinking about a program to try after those 6 or so weeks.
I’m no doctor, but I don’t think you should go from a “Don’t lift over 15 pounds for x weeks” to “Lift 225 immediately after 6 weeks.” I would probably forget about programs for now (unless the doctor has given you one), and once the doctor has given me an ok to lift, i’d ease into it using some of my favorite exercises with a VERY light weight for me. I wouldn’t even expect to train intense or use supplements for a while. Those are just my thoughts.
[quote]rudilerm wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Powerlifter following I, BODYBUILDER…
confused
Why not use Wendlers 5/3/1 with Cephs bodybuilding template ?
I lost 25 pounds due to being in the hospital for 2 weeks and I can’t lift heavy for 6 weeks post surgery. After the 6 weeks they doc’s don’t want me powerlifting for a few more months so to get my weight back up and to try something new I wanted to give this a shot.
This makes no sense.
You can’t “powerlift” for months…but in your mind, serious bodybuilding training is somehow less intense?
Wow.
Gee I’m sorry professor do you use powerlifting gear in your training? Do you train heavy singles in the deadlift on a regular basis?
No, I bench press over 450lbs on a weekly basis and move up to 11 plates a side on a squat machine for leg day. You seem to be missing the point here. That being that I TRAIN HARD AS DOES ANYONE ELSE SERIOUS ESPECIALLY SOMEONE LIKE CT. That means a program designed to be more intense than most, so much so that supplements are needed just to recover from all of it…sounds to you like something the doctors who told you not to powerlift would agree with?
Kid, I’m a doctor who is more than likely stronger than you. Nothing you wrote made any damn sense unless you for some strange reason think big arms are built with less intensity than you have trained with.
You’re a dentist ok. Don’t try and get fancy.
He’s a dentist, and if somebody has a heart attack in the lobby, you should still call 911.[/quote]Even if you are a heart surgeon, cardiologist or a brain surgeon you would still have to call the 911.BUT every doctor(dentist included) knows how to give the first aid…
Don’t be a douche.
Why are you guys argruing whether or not a dentist is a doctor. Your missing the bigger point. Would you get training advice, from a doctor?
Op, it sounds to me like you aren’t supposed to be lifting and your looking for a way to convince yourself that its ok. I, BODYBUILDER is going to involve lifting a lot of “heavy weight” and it is going to be fairly intense. Im sure you doctor isn’t an expert on training and couldn’t identify the differences between I, BODYBUILDER and GVT, but im sure he’d agree that you probably shouldn’t be lifting anything much either way.
My advice?
Be honest with yourself and your doc’s recommendations
Eat a crap ton. You didn’t lose 25lbs of muscle in 2 weeks, you lost a lot of fluid
If you can lift “heavy” but cant handle full on powerlifting training, then just do more RE work and maybe 5rms if possible. Shorten the rest breaks, and up the volume. BUT THIS IS IF YOUR DOCTOR WOULD TRULY AGREE WITH YOU EVEN LIFTING A 5RM
If you aren’t supposed to be lifting that heavy, then lift what you are supposed to be doing. If that is light sets of 20 reps, do it. If it is no external loads, then do it. If you aren’t supposed to be lifting anything over 10 pounds, then dont lift anything over 10 pounds.
And people say you can’t get quality training information on these boards…
Some of you fuckers are pathetic. If you don’t like X or what he says, learn to ignore button. It works, and then shit like this thread won’t happen.
When the fuck has training for elite muscle mass become less intense than training for an elite total? They are both hard, and both take 100% effort. They are just different. No one’s e-penis is bigger so get the fuck over it.
The fact that the “who is or who isn’t a doctor” conversation carried on past like 3 posts is why there are only a handful of accomplished people that post here still. (And they all have patience like no tomorrow, and thank whatever may be holy for that.)
Listen, some of us want to be fucking big. Take the petty school-yard bullshit to the GAL forum. This forum should be a place where I read large fuckers talking about how to get large. Not skinny fuckers talking about fucking dentists.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
crowbar46 wrote:
“Tip: If the guy can legally prescribe medications that require a prescription, they are a doctor.”
This is a truly nonsensical statement: I sure as hell won’t take medical advice from a vet, nor from a psychologist (who in many states can prescribe medications).
Crowbar
What? A vet can’t write a prescription to a human patient. I can. A psychologist does not prescribe medications. A PSYCHIATRIST does.
Get an education.
[/quote]
Lol.
People are so stupid.
I wish we could just round them all up, put the in one place, and kill them.
I just wish professor x would stop saying “I bench 450lbs for reps…” when he doesn’t. Using a hammer strength machine - albeit loaded with imprssive weight - is not the same as benching. Good luck Crew.
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Powerlifter following I, BODYBUILDER…
confused
Why not use Wendlers 5/3/1 with Cephs bodybuilding template ?
I lost 25 pounds due to being in the hospital for 2 weeks and I can’t lift heavy for 6 weeks post surgery. After the 6 weeks they doc’s don’t want me powerlifting for a few more months so to get my weight back up and to try something new I wanted to give this a shot.
This makes no sense.
You can’t “powerlift” for months…but in your mind, serious bodybuilding training is somehow less intense?
Wow.
Gee I’m sorry professor do you use powerlifting gear in your training? Do you train heavy singles in the deadlift on a regular basis?
No, I bench press over 450lbs on a weekly basis and move up to 11 plates a side on a squat machine for leg day. You seem to be missing the point here. That being that I TRAIN HARD AS DOES ANYONE ELSE SERIOUS ESPECIALLY SOMEONE LIKE CT. That means a program designed to be more intense than most, so much so that supplements are needed just to recover from all of it…sounds to you like something the doctors who told you not to powerlift would agree with?
Kid, I’m a doctor who is more than likely stronger than you. Nothing you wrote made any damn sense unless you for some strange reason think big arms are built with less intensity than you have trained with.
[quote]crowbar46 wrote:
Apparently it is you sir who needs the education–PHYCHOLOGISTS can, in some states, indeed prescribe medications. I CLEARLY said: I sure as hell won’t take medical advice from a vet who, in your definition, IS a doctor!
Crowbar[/quote]
In what states? I’ve only heard that psychiatrists can, and psychologists can’t :shrug:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I just wish professor x would stop saying “I bench 450lbs for reps…” when he doesn’t. Using a hammer strength machine - albeit loaded with imprssive weight - is not the same as benching. Good luck Crew.[/quote]
oh boy! Course you do realize that 450 for him would be very doable?
[quote]Marlind wrote:
rudilerm wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Powerlifter following I, BODYBUILDER…
confused
Why not use Wendlers 5/3/1 with Cephs bodybuilding template ?
I lost 25 pounds due to being in the hospital for 2 weeks and I can’t lift heavy for 6 weeks post surgery. After the 6 weeks they doc’s don’t want me powerlifting for a few more months so to get my weight back up and to try something new I wanted to give this a shot.
This makes no sense.
You can’t “powerlift” for months…but in your mind, serious bodybuilding training is somehow less intense?
Wow.
Gee I’m sorry professor do you use powerlifting gear in your training? Do you train heavy singles in the deadlift on a regular basis?
No, I bench press over 450lbs on a weekly basis and move up to 11 plates a side on a squat machine for leg day. You seem to be missing the point here. That being that I TRAIN HARD AS DOES ANYONE ELSE SERIOUS ESPECIALLY SOMEONE LIKE CT. That means a program designed to be more intense than most, so much so that supplements are needed just to recover from all of it…sounds to you like something the doctors who told you not to powerlift would agree with?
Kid, I’m a doctor who is more than likely stronger than you. Nothing you wrote made any damn sense unless you for some strange reason think big arms are built with less intensity than you have trained with.
You’re a dentist ok. Don’t try and get fancy.
He’s a dentist, and if somebody has a heart attack in the lobby, you should still call 911.Even if you are a heart surgeon, cardiologist or a brain surgeon you would still have to call the 911.BUT every doctor(dentist included) knows how to give the first aid…
Don’t be a douche.
[/quote]
It was a movie reference. I wasn’t being serious. I couldn’t give 2 shits if Professor X was a doctor, truck driver or gigolo. It’s not particularly relevant. Which begs the question as to why it was mentioned… Anyways, moving on.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I just wish professor x would stop saying “I bench 450lbs for reps…” when he doesn’t. Using a hammer strength machine - albeit loaded with imprssive weight - is not the same as benching. Good luck Crew.[/quote]
OH SNAP!
Seriously though. If you cant determine someones knowledge/experience by what they say, and instead they have to validate themselves with real/fake stats and progress then you probably shouldn’t be listening to them anyways.
How many times have you heard some guy say “hey man you gotta get NO-XPLODE. It’ll give you massive pumps, and ive got 18” arms and can bench 350"
This bro-science is just hilarious. Its the same exact thing as the testimonials on infomercials. Sure those people look great, oh they must be experts on training.
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
OP, to address your original question. I, BODYBUILDER is supposed to come out peri-September.
Why is it that Professor X comes into a thread, makes a simple comment, gets attacked by a hyper-sensitive OP and then the whole thread goes to hell?
Simple point: I, BODYBUILDER is supposed to be an intense program for advanced lifters. If you shouldn’t be lifting heavy, you probably shouldn’t be doing I, BODYBUILDER.
So did you doctors say deadlifts are out but heavy squats are OK (you said only one of three lifts are out)? That doesn’t make a lot of sense.
If there’s a doctor I’d trust with advice on lifting weights, it would be Professor X, over another doctor in any other field that does not lift weights.[/quote]
I second this. Professor x is only here to help. Obviously he knows his shit when it comes to lifting weights. i would trust him at least a little there.