Are you positive about this one?
My guess is a lot of emptiness mixed with periodic delusion.
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I see what you’re saying, @cyclonengineer!
It really is surreal…
As deaths go up, it seems as though the “deniers/hoaxers/patriots/those TRULY who know what’s going on!”…(call them whatever you want to)…it seems as though as the deaths for UP , they simply double-down and get louder.
It leaves me completely gobsmacked…
Don’t try Muf. You’ll lose too many brain cells trying to understand the impossible.
Right from the beginning there were predictions from various experts that it would die out in the summer due to the fact that many viruses like the flu and colds are less active in warmer weather. The fact that places like Iran and India had outbreaks should have put that idea to rest.
I have also heard that sunlight kills the virus, but I’m not sure if that’s true and probably doesn’t make a huge difference since the official opinion is that spread through contact with surfaces accounts for a small proportion of infections.
Some people believe that perception defines reality. Objective truth is not very popular nowadays.
If you can talk them into it, I’m willing to contribute funds to buy bags.
I don’t think it had to do with temperature/season. I think the idea was that Vitamin D levels would increase with the earth’s position changing and normal summer routines returning.
That was what I heard, supposedly some viruses are less active in the summer.
If that’s the case then why not just encourage people to take more vitamin D? I started taking lots of vitamin D a few years ago and I almost never get sick anymore, there is something to it. Apparently in Europe the recommended daily intake is 4000iu a opposed to 1000iu in the US and Canada.
There is some gov. agency that now requires people to wear faces masks on video conference calls even if they are working from home alone… That’s virtue signaling at its finest.
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I appreciate it, but you don’t have to go to all that trouble. Not that I am uninterested in hearing some possible, actual, real solutions outside of bitching about who did what wrong, without a clue of how to do it better. It just sounds like a lot of work… So no worries, man.
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Oh, I don’t know about that. As virulently as I intend to vote for him this time, I certainly am voting against the sheer madness that is the DNC. If I had a better alternative with a good chance at winning I would take it.
However, among Trump’s base? His fans are rabid. They absolutely love him above and beyond all others. And I do like him a lot, right now. But I still think we can do better.
Looking toward 2024, if there is a USA still left with free and fair elections, Kayleigh McEnany 2024!
Yes. I’d much prefer a Rand Paul or Thomas Massie, but there’s zero chance of that unless this country breaks up.
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I don’t know if I would really call that virtue signalling, more like stupid nonsense and arbitrary rules that defy logic.
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Uh, of course deaths are going to go up, as unless fraudulently reported and discovered, they won’t go down. That’s not the issue.
The issue is, are deaths going up proportionally to the numbers of positives? Are the number of positive tests proportionally increasing in the rate of death consistent? If not, is the trend up or down? Is the rate of infection out pacing the health care systems’ ability to deal with it?
Most importantly, is it okay to selectively apply Constitutional civil liberties to large protests, while denying them to normal citizens?
I think the main concern is whether deaths are going up per day/week/month, the number of positives has a strong correlation to the number of tests. Also in places where restrictions were gradually eased up such as Ontario, there was an increase in the number of infections due to more people going bars, restaurants, and parties but the number of deaths is down due to the fact that these are mostly young and healthy people who are being infected. The total number of infections is of little relevance.
Calling it “rough stuff,” President Trump assuaged the crowd that it will “work out fine,” and that with warmer weather, the virus will die.
“Generally speaking, the heat kills this kind of virus,” he clarified.
The virus that we’re talking about having to do, a lot of people think that goes away in April, with the heat, as the heat comes in, typically that will go away in April."
He’s mentioned a ton of different times that it will just disappear.
He’s questioned and belittled science consistently and it’s no wonder so many of his followers think it’s some kind of hoax, the numbers are all wrong it’s way less (ignoring that our death numbers could actually be too low). Social distancing and masks don’t help. I know we can say his words and actions don’t mean anything but I completely reject that idea. They mean a hell of a lot especially to his fervent base. By the time he came wishy washy around on masks they had all made their minds up it was too late. Would some be that way no matter what? Sure. But he could have had a significant impact.
True, but I think you can expect an increase of infections after a quarantine for anything is lifted. Quarantines don’t kill any virus, they contain them, but once a quarantine is lifted, you will have a spike every time.
The question pertaining to that is, is the spike so massive that the system cannot handle it? I think, in most cases the answer is “no”.
We’re not going to eradicate the virus. Most of us will be exposed sooner or later. As long as the healthcare system can handle the load and does not break down, it’s a risk we have to take.
People with good economic conditions cannot even imagine the misery of bad economic conditions. If we quarantine ourselves into poverty, nobody will give a damn about covid.
Poverty, terrible economic plights is the overwhelming number 1 killer in the world. No disease or bomb or bullet ranks even close.
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Or believes poodles should be president.
I had my hopes until early March when the spike protein binding studies came out. Several times stronger than SARS, MERS, or flu, which is what made me change my mind and start talking about it.
The reason flu/colds are less active in hot weather is that the mucous lining of the lungs changes in response to the hot spells and makes it harder to bind to the sites they need. But if you supercharge the binding ability…
Also ditto on Iran etc. That should have been the last mail in the coffin.
Yes, UV light kills most viruses. This is why the UV disinfecting lamps and rooms work pretty well for most. Same reason they give you skin cancer lol…mutations in the genetic code. Biggest difference is the concentration of UV rays and how long of an exposure is needed to kill, which is multifactorial.
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There were a number of theories, but yeah that was definitely one of them.
Data is pro/con on it, but I do and in general vitamin D is definitely helpful.
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That is not even close to what “the” issue is, @pat…
The issues are the following (in general) : 1) the virus death rate and overall morbidity and mortality needs to reach a level that is comparable to that of other respiratory viruses. You are right. It is not “going away”; but it’s rapid infectivity and morbidity needs to reach a manageable “baseline”. 2) (the next is tricky because it most likely has to do with viral mutation and adaptability within, and by, human systems). We need to reach a point where there are no “spikes” and/or “hotspots” that are elicited by simple normal human activity. In another words, a point of some type of human “synergy” has to be reached in which normal human activity doesn’t elicit these spikes. 3) a significant decrease in deaths from this particular viral stain.
(There are certainly others, so I welcome others input).
Saying “fu*ck it! It ain’t going no where, let’s party!” is simply going to make things infinitely worse. The virus is ultimately in control, not Politicians and Deniers.
Fair enough, what level do you consider comparable to other respiratory viruses? Are you talking about a cold or a flu? What’s the manageable baseline for infectivity and morbidity? 2)
How do we do that?
What’s the acceptable death rate?
Would you consider BLM “protesters” Deniers, as they flaunt the rules with impunity?
Should the protests be granted specific permission to operate, while other activities, covered by the same laws, are prohibited?
What good is sheltering if the rules only apply to some and not all?