I think it might be a good thing for sick people to wear masks, as is done in Japan. I don’t want people’s mocos on me.
I meant simply from obtaining the virus naturally. Has it been demonstrably proven to be effective. A vaccine does not work in the exact same way.
Well we didn’t really do much aggressively because of the economic impact. So it wasn’t surprising to see our cases explode since we missed the critical window initially. So we didn’t do much (to save the economy I guess) except the virus got worse which is going to hurt the economy way more long term. We played the short game because we care about the stock market most of all. It’s looking like that was a bad gamble.
I don’t know why that would be the thinking when we have seen countries have tremendous success combating it. The US can’t “save” the economy by pretending coronavirus doesn’t exist. The virus hurts the economy and drastically lowered cases will lead to higher economic gains.
Not yet, but neither has the vaccine. But there are also no proven cases of anyone being infected twice with COVID despite media fear mongers claiming exactly that. There was an article in the Wall Street Journal about that a few weeks ago, UCLA scientists discussing that and more but you can’t read the whole article without a subscription unfortunately.
The bottom line is that we don’t know for sure about either getting infected or any vaccine because this hasn’t been going on for long, and they are already talking about possibly giving multiple doses, maybe every year. Lots of money to be made there.
They thought what Sweden did was a bad idea but the US proved that there are worse options.
Because it’s starting to look like the virus can’t actually be stopped without shutting everything down like NZ and Australia, the spread can be slowed but it’s delaying the inevitable. Maybe that’s not necessarily the case, but that’s one way of looking at it.
At this point I think that the virus should be allowed to spread at a rate that doesn’t overwhelm hospitals. The other options aren’t sustainable.
Stop COVID, put your kids in a box:
Agreed. The problem is that allowing it to spread at managable levels means lifting and then lowering restrictions to manage the infection rate. Or is there another way you can see where infection rates can be monitored and managed to not overwhelm the healthcare system?
Everybody seems to be talking about what went wrong and how poorly it was handled. What I haven’t heard was the right way to handle it. Can someone explain what the exact correct moves to combat covid from the first case in Washington, until now?
What should we have done, given what we knew then?
What should we have done, if we knew then what we know now?
From today forward, what should we do to end the crisis?
You would fail the politically woke, purity test for sure…
Yeah, that’s basically how it would have to go. If the hospitals are getting overwhelmed in any particular place then more severe measures would have to be brought in to get the situation under control, like mandatory mask (just not outside or in your car!) and at worst some sort of limited shutdown for a few weeks, but that is the last thing you would want.
I think the actual infection rates are more or less irrelevant, what matters is the number of deaths and severe case. As long as that doesn’t get out of hand then there shouldn’t be anything to worry too much about. Has anyone ever been concerned about asymptomatic cases of any other illness? It’s an unprecedented level of hysteria.
Americans have proven we will resist basic mask wearing, social distancing, and hygiene despite clear science saying it helps. Shutdowns would be neccessary, and they would have to begin a week or more before hospitals would be overwhelmed, so you would have even more people resisting because they wouldnt be seeing the magnitude of the problem right then.
A lot of factors need to be taken into account, infection rates, hospitalization rate, rate of ventilator use, etc… its just quicker to say “infection rate”.
But it doesn’t present an accurate picture of the situation which is why I’m arguing against it.
That is a major obstacle, but if you tell people that the hospital can’t accept any more patients then people might start thinking differently.
Is there anywhere in the US where hospitals really are overwhelmed? I remember hearing about when NYC was the main hotspot how they set up a temporary hospital and had a medical navy ship to deal with sick people but they were barely used if at all and shut down/sailed off.
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Agreed. Personally don’t know of anyone who’s died from it.
As far as i know NYC was the worst. And it only barely stopped the infections in time because of a full on, sustained lockdown.
The problem with relying on telling people that the hospital cant accept more patients to get them to follow protocol is that you are then a week+ too late by that point and lots of saveable folks will die. The measures need to be put in place prior to their being a capacity problem, and the public needs to actually trust the healthcare officials when they say there will be a capacity problem… yeah right!
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That’s one case where arguably a lockdown was the best solution, but like you say that was the worst in the country.
True, so tell them that at this rate we will have to stop accepting patients in a week or two and therefore these restrictions are coming into place right now.
Remember, it went from flattening the curve and the Canadian government saying they expect 60-70% of the population to eventually be infected to endless restrictions with no end in sight and the spread of the virus needs to be stopped at all costs. And this after realizing the death rate is under 1% as opposed to the 4%+ they thought at that time.
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Yes.
Yes.
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One.
We shouldn’t have elected Trump, even though he wasn’t actually elected(because he lost the popular vote…duh!).
Hope Trump doesn’t get reelected.
Oh yeah? Prove that anyone who’s died hasn’t died from it.
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Reading Atlas Shrugged paid off. Selfishness and greed are virtues. And what’s the most valuable possession a person has? His own life.
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Exactly. Everyone should do everything possible to extend every life as long as possible. IMO, COVID is too strong to defeat; we can only hope to extend our lives via bubbles.
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Wrong again. Everyone should do everything possible to extend my life. You sound more like Marx than Rand.
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Introduce Obama death panels then?
How would that help extend every life as long as possible?