New Zealand has 4 cases and locks down the capital again:
This just doesn’t make sense at all. At this rate, the COVID bullshit will continue for decades with on and off lockdowns and arbitrary restrictions in place.
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People will eventually stop complying with lockdown/stay-at-home orders entirely, as they should. This way of “life” is not sustainable. It’s a virus and it’s here to stay. Even with the advent of a vaccine, which would presumably be 50% effective at best, it will not go away. Best to go on about our lives, which we should have been doing all along, as opposed to listening to ineffective government officials.
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And how many tests have these countries conducted? What proportion of the population has been tested? Until we have a like for like, the information is damn near meaningless. They are just random numbers.
Being able to make an assessment or any kind of scientific guesstimate requires controls.
There are no controls, any country can report anything they like.
And there are fairly strong reasons to believe the numbers here haven’t been exactly accurate either. So comparisons are pretty much bunk.
Power hungry people in governments have found a way to control the population, scare them with covid.
Anybody who thinks that governments really give a damn about your health are at best naive.
This is about control, not containment.
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No they won’t. Besides, lockdown really isn’t lockdown.
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It must. There is nothing deadlier. Except Trump. And thought. Mostly thought.
What are you talking about? Gotta #flattenthecurve, bro! I know one guy whose dad was hospitalized due to the Rona! Don’t personally know anyone that has had it, but nothing is as serious.
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It will take a lot of people to actually change anything. In Australia there was a planned protest the other day and the cops were out in full force, stopping everyone on the street and shutting down the protest before it even started.
It’s straight up totalitarianism in some places.
Depends where. Most of America didn’t take it too far, but in some places you can’t leave your house for non-essential reasons, in Australia you can even buy food more than 5km from home and there are limits on how much you can buy.
That made some sense in the beginning but now it has gone to a whole new level. It’s a totalitarian global dictatorship, but don’t worry, it’s for a good cause.
Yes, for 72 hours until they can perform contact tracing. Sounds reasonable to me if they’ve achieved so far. Also, it’s Auckland, not Wellington.
Also, the PM Ardern’s Covid-19 policy is supported by 90% of Kiwis if polls published in the media are to be believed.
That’s very postmodernist.
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I believe it, people are scared and she made the fear go away.
I don’t see this as a sustainable approach though, this will happen every few months and as the fear lessens with time, the public won’t be as okay with being locked up.
Good strategy if you have an election in September though.
Depends on the outbreak. If they’re short, targeted lockdowns it may prove viable in the medium term as well.
Also depends on what is happening around the world. If the carnage that we saw in Italy, Spain and NY is still happening in other places then the people of NZ will be happy but if they are locked down while other countries are freeing up then it’s less palatable.
There is also the economic conditions as government subsidies dry up and whether the constant threat of complete lockdown trashes business confidence.
So far only 72 hours, it can be extended beyond that if they want. Is 72 hours of totalitarianism acceptable?
You mean the same sort of polls that said Trump has no chance of being elected?
Remember that mass shooting in NZ? It was illegal to possess or even watch the video, people who downloaded it were facing jail time. That’s the sort of place that is.
The Romans, in times of crisis, appointed dictators for six months.
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And then, one of them decided not to give power back.
The rest is (literally) history
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So again we can’t criticize coaching? I’m not sure how the information is meaningless. It’s pretty accepted that countries who have reason to believe they are in a full blown outbreak are going to test more than those that don’t. Is your argument really that we don’t know that other countries aren’t doing worse than us because maybe they haven’t tested as many people?
Don’t criticize Donald the tests aren’t the exact same amount in each country? If we tested less we’d have less! I get that some people want to say TDS everything is Trump’s fault but the counter of that end is NTDIW Nothing Trump does is wrong.
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It’s only a crisis because it’s being treated as one, in New Zealand there are only 4 people infected.
It’s not an unreasonable argument, back when the number of infections was at its peak in Canada it was pretty much impossible to get tested. Now the numbers are way down and tens of thousands are being tested daily in some provinces. It was done in reverse order for no apparent reason except that they didn’t know any better. If as many people were getting tested in March and April as now the numbers would have been several times higher.
It’s probably way more than 4. NZ hasn’t reported any cases of covid-19 in quite a while. The fact that 4 people suddenly tested positive means they’ve caught it from someone and so on/so fourth.
The 72 hr lockdown is to establish contact tracing and evaluate how many people actually have it.
On a different note (Australia update), Victoria’s case numbers are going down, but our death toll has skyrocketed. It seems as if around 2% of those infected are dying! Many deaths are attributable to outbreaks in aged care facilities, although we currently have one otherwise healthy male in his 20’s in critical condition.
NSW has a few clusters, but the situation seems under control.
They obviously got it from somewhere, my guess is that either at least one of them traveled or they came in contact with someone who did. But it changes nothing, if you will lock down an entire city for 4 cases then you would lock down the whole world. What if 100 people had the flu, why not lock down for that?
Same story everywhere. That’s where the serious precautions are needed, elsewhere the costs are too high to continue with this madness for something that kills 0.6% of those infected.
That’s possible, though to come back to NZ you need to quarantine for two weeks. That being said latency period can be 14 days thus what you’ve specified is entirely possible. Australia is the only country I know of at the moment that won’t let you leave under any circumstance without government granted exemption (VERY hard to get)
One person who died the other day was over 100 years old!