Hey guys!, Hope you all doing great, I’m currently on my 7th cycle, i was off gear for a couple years and decided to get back, I’m currently using Sustanon 500mg / 600 NPP per week, and taking Nolvadex 20mg ED, 0.25mg Caber twice a week.
This my second week and my nipples are starting to feel sore and sensitive haha, So i wanted to ask you.
How can i tell when i need to use more Nolva or Caber?.
I don’t have any other symptom at all, just sensitive and sore nipples haha, but i don’t want to wait until its too late to increase my Nolva / Caber dosages.
Any comments are welcome.
Thank you for your time!.
Apparently when it comes to tren, there is no such thing as gyno in the traditional sense. Higher levels of prolactin will cause a temporary increase in size of prolactin related structures around the nipple. Upon cessation of tren, this returns to normal. There is no actual new breast tissue created in the case of increasing levels of estrogen. Hence why I don’t think people should mess with caber if their worry is swollen nips on tren. Unless they need to step on stage of course.
I have no lumps, lactation or libido issues so far, just more sensitive / sore nipples, I’m just trying to figure out if that’s enough of a warning to increase my dosages and avoid the development of gyno.
I don’t understand why you think people shouldn’t mess with caber, do you think that might be the cause of this discomfort?
I ran a cycle with 400mg tren/week and 400 test prop/week a couple years ago and had no lactation / libido issues, i was also using 0.5mg caber e3d and 20mg Nolva ED. But i don’t remember having sore nipples haha.
Because messing with dopamine is not something to take lightly and given the fact that tren so-called gyno returns to normal once you stop tren, I say it’s just something you suck up and deal with until you finish your tren.
Sore nipples can deal with. A fucked up dopaminergic system probably not gonna end well.
I appreciate your response, but I’ll stick with the cabergoline anyways, I don’t want to develop any gyno at all, that’s the main reason i made this thread haha.
Lol. My point was tren already screws with dopamine and serotonin as is. Using caber in small doses while on tren isn’t gonna be a big problem.
I always recommend using P5P before caber. Some guys produce more prolactin on tren then others. And some are affected more by higher levels then others.
I personally stopped using caber and can run 6-700mg tren a week with no prolactin issues but I do use p5p twice daily.
I see no reason not to increase the dose to 0.5 twice a week. At that dose you shouldn’t have any prolactin in your system regardless of how much tren your running
Holy fuck, just realised you and Singh have used just about the same tren doses!!! I guess that’s unfortunately what it takes to compete in today’s world… ain’t that a bitch @Singhbuilder how long was the 900mg for
Vit b6 isn’t as good as say cabergoline (as is to be expected), but long term you don’t really want to be fucking with dopamine agonists unless you have legitimate medical pathology (and you should get bloods first, jumping into crushing prolactin without proof is on par with using AI on TRT in relation to levels of absurdity.) if someone is getting sides it may very well not be prolactin, could very well be tren induced neurological side effects.
Even test elevates prolactin btw, not a side effect entirely unique to 19-Nors.
Strange If this exact dream is reoccurring nightly… I get some strange, vivid and fucked up dreams too, everyone does, even totally unrelated to AAS. Tren, deca and 19-nors in general are generally known to give people strange dreams. I had a dream once (don’t know why I’m saying this) where I went back to everyone who had picked on me when I was younger, everyone who has treated me like shit (there’s a lot of people on that list) and viciously killed each one of them, there was like a list on a notepad I was ticking off… I woke up rather disturbed that night, there was some serial killer shit in that dream haha
As to you’re opinion about a fucked up dopaminergic system, tren will fuck that up 100x worse than cabergoline ever could.
But yes, using caber on tren (generally) is retarded, as the sides rather than stemming from prolactin stem from neurological abnormalities (of which may or may not be permenant, there are studies out there to suggest the neurodegenerative and/or neurological side effects stemming from tren are permenant)…only rodent models atm though.
Only for a week, I just wanted to see how high I could go without sides and at 900mg I was still side free. 700mg is probably the max I’d need for my show as I know now how to prepare and diet properly.
Many a times (I think this is in part due to extensive past bullying/other events that I have deep rooted issues from that instead of legitimately dealing with I’m like “nooooppppe bottle that shit right up”) I wake up profusely sweating from horrific dreams, my entire silhouette marked due to sweat when I wake up, it’s always correlated with nightmares that occur frequently regardless of what I’m on
Probably but I’d rather not substitute hard work for more drugs. My last prep I worked harder than most other competitors because I started my prep too late and without T3, but this time I will give myself enough time and start T3 alongside Tren to drop fat with my cardio.