I am currently considering and planning a cycle consisting of Testosterone Propionate and Trenbolone Acetate. I will be injecting Tren Ace at 70 mg/EOD for 8 weeks and Test Prop at 50 mg/EOD the first 8 weeks, then I’ll increase the Test Prop. dosage to approx. 85 mg/EOD (300 mg/week) for 2 more weeks and cut out the Tren Ace completely.
I’ll be injecting 500iu HCG E4D during the first 8 weeks of cycle. I’ll discontinue HCG injections 2 weeks prior to the clearance of AAS. Both the Tren Ace and Test Prop should definetly have cleared a few days after the last Test P injection (10 weeks in - as the PCT begins).
I’ll also be taking 0,25mg Arimidex EOD during the entire cycle.
The PCT consists of approx. 30mg Nolvadex ED for 2 weeks, then 25mg for another 2 weeks.
Did I miss anything? Something to include?
I have researched this extremily throughly. Any information, I should be aware of especially concerning the prolactin sides of Tren?
Thanks, Dianaballs! I read the article and readjusted the dosage protocol. The new edition is attached to this post.
I increased the Trenbolone Acetate dosage to 375mg/week and decreased the Testosterone Propionate dosage to 125mg/week.
The Test Prop. only accounts for 25% of the total dosage volume now, which I guess is relatively low.
In the previous dosage protocol (attached to the OP), the Test Prop. accounts for approx. 45% of the total dosage volume.
i havent actually tried tren so i cant really help! sorry. the laws of tren is just something ive read and seen passed around alot. i personally cant wait to try the stuff ha
Since it’s my first cycle on Tren, I’ll play it safe and gradually increase the dosage. I’ll start at 50mg EOD of Tren A. and 25mg EOD of Test P.
By the end of my 8 week protocol, the dosage of Tren peaks at 85mg EOD (approx. 340mg/week), and Testosterone peaks at 43mg EOD (approx. 172mg/week). Testosterone dosage is approx. 50% of Trenbolone dosage throughout the protocol.
I’ve attached my 8 week protocol including 4 weeks of PCT. From my research, this should be a relatively secure protocol(considering the drugs used).
Both Trenbolone Acetate and Testosterone Propionate allows for immediate discontinuation due to their light esters.
I know I’ve seen it posted somewhere that nolva and tren are a no-no. And I can tell you personally I made the mistake. It makes recovery 100% harder and increases chances of gyno.
Also with tren make sure you have caber on hand. Especially if its your first run with it, because you never know, you could be extremely prone to milk milkies
[quote]Claron wrote:
Please do NOT take nolva with tren.
I know I’ve seen it posted somewhere that nolva and tren are a no-no. And I can tell you personally I made the mistake. It makes recovery 100% harder and increases chances of gyno.
Also with tren make sure you have caber on hand. Especially if its your first run with it, because you never know, you could be extremely prone to milk milkies[/quote]
I read similiarly, that taking Nolvadex DURING a Trenbolone cycle would significantly increase the risks of (prolactin induced) gyno. However, not much indicates that taking Nolva during PCT (when the Tren Ace has cleared out) would increase this risk.
I’ll research this further to be completely sure.
Regarding the Cabergoline, I’ve read several contradicting articles about the need for the drug when using Tren. Some say, that there’s no reason at all to use Caber, and some say that it prevents prolactin induced gyno.
I won’t take any risks, so I’ll most likely try to have it on hand, if it should become neccesary. Thanks for pointing that out, Claron!
You’re probably right about the Nolva being fine, I had issues when I ran a longer ester and used it as PCT. I hadn’t thought of that I just saw Nolva and saw red
Understandable, and thanks! Hopefully, I won’t have any issues with the short esters in this cycle.
I have done some extensive research on the prolactin-related side effects from Trenbolone, and I have come to the conclusion, that I don’t need Cabergoline or other anti-prolactins. I read several articles to come to this conclusion, but unfortunately don’t have the links right now.
If someone wants to read into this, search “Bill Roberts tren prolactin”. Bill Roberts is an experienced user on this forum, who explains why you don’t need anti-prolactins on Trenbolone.
I’ll keep you all updated, when I start the cycle (in about 2-3 weeks). Can’t wait!
[quote]Claron wrote:
Please do NOT take nolva with tren.
I know I’ve seen it posted somewhere that nolva and tren are a no-no. And I can tell you personally I made the mistake. It makes recovery 100% harder and increases chances of gyno.
Also with tren make sure you have caber on hand. Especially if its your first run with it, because you never know, you could be extremely prone to milk milkies[/quote]
[quote]sebaron wrote:
Understandable, and thanks! Hopefully, I won’t have any issues with the short esters in this cycle.
I have done some extensive research on the prolactin-related side effects from Trenbolone, and I have come to the conclusion, that I don’t need Cabergoline or other anti-prolactins. I read several articles to come to this conclusion, but unfortunately don’t have the links right now.
If someone wants to read into this, search “Bill Roberts tren prolactin”. Bill Roberts is an experienced user on this forum, who explains why you don’t need anti-prolactins on Trenbolone.
I’ll keep you all updated, when I start the cycle (in about 2-3 weeks). Can’t wait!
Best regards,[/quote]
I’ve experience sides from tren E that were fixed with prami so saying you won’t need it may not be wise. Although tren a I was all good without it.
Alright, I’m back. I thought you guys might like a update, especially those considering cycling also.
I’m 29 days into my cycle, and I’m experiencing minimum sides - my body is responding extremely well. I’m bigger and stronger.
I’ve upped the dose to 40mg/20mg tren/test ED with very limited side effects. No acne and no gyno. My balls are just fine, shooting HCG E4D.
I started injecting in my delts with slin-pins (1"), but moved to quads 14 days in or so. I’ve become much better in injecting, experiencing almost no PIP anymore. I’ve learned, that PIP very often is a result of a poor injection. A steady and slow injection results in almost no pain during injection or afterwards.
In the beginning (the first couple of days) I experienced a slight “gyno-paranoia”, which I think is normal. The paranoia quickly subsided, and I haven’t seen any signs of gyno at all throughout my cycle.
I experienced very painful PIP in my first three quad injections. I couldn’t walk properly for a few days! I found, that heating pads help recovering from PIP. Again: proper injection form is crucial to minimize post-injection pain.
My tips for those considering cycling: do your research and be calm - trust yourself. Be skeptical of what you read on forums and gradually build a carefully structured plan. Don’t rush into it!
Based on my research on the matter (prolactin induced sides), I concluded that it would not be neccesary to be using caber og prami. Bill Roberts has written some very good stuff on the subject!
I made the graphic planning in Microsoft Excel. Just a few colored boxes and equations.
I agree I thought the doses were rather low, but you never mentioned your size. If it’s working, it’s working.
I’ve been taking a blend of tren ace, test prop and mast prop on short duration cycles for a few months now. AI is important, though I am still taking stuff for anti-prolactin (SAMe 1200mg/day, P-5-P 400mg/day, and Vit. E 400mg/day). I had some sides the first short cycle I did, which I thought were prolactin related - trouble keeping an erection, trouble finishing, lowered libido, etc. Turns out they were E2 related, and after I started taking adex (I thought the mast would do the job - it wasn’t) things got much better. Still taking the anti-prolactin protocol more out of paranoia than anything. Might try skipping them next cycle, just to see. Can always start them up if an issue arises.
Last time I ran tren, I was shooting a gram a week and I couldn’t get my dick hard for a few weeks, but I didnt get gyno. I was on an AI (although I didnt get bloodwork done so it is possible I wasnt taking enough) so I’m thinking it had to have been a prolactin issue.
Will be running tren again at a much lighter dose (50mgED) in the near future and will get bloodwork mid way through cycle to see where I’m at.
