So had a great cut cycle… maintenance phase ok but now it’s gorilla season… just broke my toe so cardio gonna suck anyhow so might as well get gigantic… here’s what I’m thinking
Cycle A
Test cyp 600 week & Tren Ace 150 per week
Basically 3 pins 1ml test + .5 ml Tren m,-w-f
12 weeks
Winny 50mg last 6 weeks to use up old gear & dump water weight.
Cycle B
Test 600 & Tren 6 weeks
Test 600 & deca 6 weeks
Tbol last 4 weeks
Never done Tbol & deca so was thinking why not…I’ll just do newb / conservative doses
Anastrozle, hcg, & caber as needed
Also hgh 2-4 iu per day
Goal 30lbs
Diet 20x bw in clean Cal’s 2g protein per lb
Pretty basic bulking diet
Test/NPP/Tbol
Save the tren for the next cut. Unless it doesn’t crush your appetite. In which case I suppose you can bulk on it. But don’t do deca for only six weeks. You’ll be disappointed. But NPP otoh…
It doesn’t crush my appetite. I’ve had great cut cycles with it…I just thought with all the test & protein I could maximise it’s nutrient partition stuff. Maybe get nice gainz. Npp & Tbol are new to me so could throw body a nice curve ball.
It’s amazing how much shit people can eat on tren and still recomp lol. Something magical about trens nutrient partioning properties.
Agreed. Tren is fucking magic monster juice.
I ate anything I could get my hands on including big bowls of cereal when my blood sugar dropped and it all turned to muscle. God I miss Tren 
I know Tren is tits but Yuppie got me thinking… I was kinda interested in doing a old school Arnold style bulk cycle. I’ve never done the Test & deca combo that was popular in Golden age body building. I’ve been reading up on npp not too many sides & great for bulking. Gonna do more research & see. Not planning to cycle till mid Oct. I love Tren too but let’s be honest it’s super harsh & I’ve already done it 3 times. As far as cutting goes . Tren/prop/var can’t be beat… But curious to see if I could find the perfect bulk combo…test/npp/Tbol sounds fun & light on sides…at this point I’m using my body for science experiments it’s just fun & different. Done many cycles & have been safe & conservative.
Would test cyp be ok or would it have to be prop to go with the npp? I would prefer cyp because I can get 200 in each ml as rather than 100… also much more friendly to pin…
Does npp burn like prop?
Cyp would be perfectly fine. Plus very few places carry TPP, so matching esters would be really difficult. I think of all the drugs out there test is the only one where the ester really doesn’t matter as long as your pinning schedule is correct. It just runs in the background of all the other stuff and, if it’s being used in lower doses, shouldn’t even be noticeable.
I ran test/deca together and it worked well for me. Deca you just have to run a long time. I felt great on test/deca combo. Deca also helped my joints feel good (powerlifter).
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Would .5ml npp & 1ml test cyp m-w-f for 12 weeks be ok or is that not safe?
Does npp require caber to make sure no limp 
Or just run AI & hcg like a test cycle?
Obviously on the Tbol weeks liver support sups…but I read npp not liver toxic like Tren
Never ran deca or npp but ran Tren 12 weeks a few times never more than 3mls a week…I’d say my tolerance on Tren is 200…any more gainz don’t out way the sides
I was interested in deca but seems like npp gives same bulking results…I’m not power lifter & joints are ok…I just wanna get bigger. I’m 42 about 11%bf 190lbs…would like to hit 215 and be 12%
I can shred off the fat by pool season np😎
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When I ran NPP and test, I had ED issues. I handled it by reducing my NPP to 300/wk and raising my to to about 650/wk and took cialis. If I were to run NPP again I would add masteron
I’m only planning on 150 of either deca or npp with 600 test… basically just sampling the new compound to see what it does… I know on 600 test with diet & lifting I will gain…but yr after yr gotta change it up slightly to squeeze out 20lbs
I’m not advanced enough for 4 -5 things in a stack…3 is my limit
The mast is to counteract the effects of the NPP and its affect on DHT levels which in turn affect erection quality…or something like that. I’m not super knowledgeable but there are threads that support this. Also, after my NPP experience, I added Mast for about 6 months and it restored my erection quality and response to pre-NPP levels
Many people saying tren is overrated for bulking?
Opinions?
My personal opinion on tren is that it builds muscle and burns fat no matter what. I think, in order to bulk, you would have to eat a TON of calories. I know I was hungry all the time on tren but I was sweating like crazy at night which related to calories burned.
@weightliftingwithoutlimits
In my experience tren bulks me fine for my goals, you do gotta eat a lot though like stud said. The problem with tren bulking IMO is actually that it increases my strength almost to quick, so from one week to the next your weights for sets are going up, hypertrophy gets stifled in exchange for density of muscle. Hopefully hat made sense to you.
When I ran tren last, the whole idea of the loss of ‘cardiovascular’ aerobic exercises came to mind, you do seem to tire out quicker doing high volume work. I’m a mechanic by trade, and understand thermodynamics and entropy pretty well, so I’m going to try and make an analogy.
If calories are fuel, and your muscles are the engine, then what ever work your performing would be the ‘load’ oved time on the engine. Tren is like adding a turbocharger, which would increase volumetric efficiency, but since the time duration is the same for our ‘load’ (normally a higher ve = more hp per unit of fuel, which means work can be done faster) your essentially wasting potential efficiency, when you could be doing more work in less time.
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Got dam son. I thought I was smart for having a major in pharmacology but so many smart peeps on this forum. Love it.
Although many suffer from suppressed appetite on tren so that would make it difficult to get the Cal’s in. Hence why many would probably simply recomp on tren?
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On Tren I never had Ed issues but my test to Tren ratio was 1/.5 or 1/.75 I’ve always kept my test base slightly higher to avoid sides & it works for me…I’m assuming npp would be the same.
Also I was taking anastrozle & caber
Since npp, deca, Tren all all nors wouldn’t caber do same for prolactin issue on npp as Tren? From what I’m reading Tren is stronger than npp or deca but npp is more a bulker…
My plan at this point prolly test 600 npp 150-300
I will prolly start low & work my way up to avoid sides
I guess it depends how much tren you run. Say you run 600mg tren per week. Can’t imagine taking 1.2/1.5g test haha