What's Safer, PH or AAS?

you guys are all very close minded idk what makes all of you think that everyone is ment to be 190+ especially at 5 9 and once again ill make a example and most likly once again no one will have anything to say to my example but just keep on blurting out about bulking so for my example

frank zane one of the best physiques of all time 5 9 185 and yes that is farther than i have come by a long way but he also used steroids my only point here is that not everyone is made to be 190 or 200+ especially naturally which he isnt even natural but he has an amazing physique

no hes not HUGE and bulky but hes got a great physique that what i ment when iv been saying i dont want to look like a bodybuilder i want an asthetic athletic look with more mass than i have

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
you guys are all very close minded idk what makes all of you think that everyone is ment to be 190+ especially at 5 9 and once again ill make a example and most likly once again no one will have anything to say to my example but just keep on blurting out about bulking so for my example

frank zane one of the best physiques of all time 5 9 185 and yes that is farther than i have come by a long way but he also used steroids my only point here is that not everyone is made to be 190 or 200+ especially naturally which he isnt even natural but he has an amazing physique

no hes not HUGE and bulky but hes got a great physique that what i ment when iv been saying i dont want to look like a bodybuilder i want an asthetic athletic look with more mass than i have
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Are you dumb or clinically retarded?

No shit you want to be small. We get that. What you dont get is that your goals can be achieved in a few months if you knew how to eat properly.

Go use steroids. Tell your friends how cool you are.

How many more times are you going to whine about wanting to be 185lbs with abs? You are the ONLY person here who thinks steroids are necessary to look like ryan reynolds yet you continue to bitch and moan.

How does it feel to make no progress for 2 years in your prime muscle building years? How did the test boosters at 18 years old work out for you?

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
you guys are all very close minded idk what makes all of you think that everyone is ment to be 190+ especially at 5 9 and once again ill make a example and most likly once again no one will have anything to say to my example but just keep on blurting out about bulking so for my example

frank zane one of the best physiques of all time 5 9 185 and yes that is farther than i have come by a long way but he also used steroids my only point here is that not everyone is made to be 190 or 200+ especially naturally which he isnt even natural but he has an amazing physique

no hes not HUGE and bulky but hes got a great physique that what i ment when iv been saying i dont want to look like a bodybuilder i want an asthetic athletic look with more mass than i have
[/quote]

Are you dumb or clinically retarded?

No shit you want to be small. We get that. What you dont get is that your goals can be achieved in a few months if you knew how to eat properly.

Go use steroids. Tell your friends how cool you are.

How many more times are you going to whine about wanting to be 185lbs with abs? You are the ONLY person here who thinks steroids are necessary to look like ryan reynolds yet you continue to bitch and moan.

How does it feel to make no progress for 2 years in your prime muscle building years? How did the test boosters at 18 years old work out for you? [/quote]

ryan reynolds is 6 2 188 i already have a physique bigger than his

once again all you have done is criticize show me some examples of naturals that have my goal physique and ill start taking you seriously

[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
you guys are all very close minded idk what makes all of you think that everyone is ment to be 190+ especially at 5 9 and once again ill make a example and most likly once again no one will have anything to say to my example but just keep on blurting out about bulking so for my example

frank zane one of the best physiques of all time 5 9 185 and yes that is farther than i have come by a long way but he also used steroids my only point here is that not everyone is made to be 190 or 200+ especially naturally which he isnt even natural but he has an amazing physique

no hes not HUGE and bulky but hes got a great physique that what i ment when iv been saying i dont want to look like a bodybuilder i want an asthetic athletic look with more mass than i have
[/quote]

Are you dumb or clinically retarded?

No shit you want to be small. We get that. What you dont get is that your goals can be achieved in a few months if you knew how to eat properly.

Go use steroids. Tell your friends how cool you are.

How many more times are you going to whine about wanting to be 185lbs with abs? You are the ONLY person here who thinks steroids are necessary to look like ryan reynolds yet you continue to bitch and moan.

How does it feel to make no progress for 2 years in your prime muscle building years? How did the test boosters at 18 years old work out for you? [/quote]

ryan reynolds is 6 2 188 i already have a physique bigger than his

once again all you have done is criticize show me some examples of naturals that have my goal physique and ill start taking you seriously
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Its impossible. No human male has ever gotten bigger than 5’9 185lbs. Youve won the biggest natural ever award. Hats off to you sir. Im not even sure you can get to 185lbs with 5 grams of juice. You should probably stay on 10g per week indefinitely. That should get you to 185 in 10-15 years

My god what a clusterfuck of a thread. From what I’ve gathered:

-OP is happy with his progress, but wants to do roids. Q: What the fuck?
-OP wants to be bigger, but doesn’t want to get any bigger. Q: What the fuck?
-OP has been lifting for 7 years and only weighs 170. Q: What the fuck?
-OP only wants to gain a couple pounds of muscle per year, but wants to juice. Q: What the fuck?
-OP refuses to train or eat any differently, even though he has made no progress in 2 years. Q: What the fuck?

Is this accurate?

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
you guys are all very close minded idk what makes all of you think that everyone is ment to be 190+ especially at 5 9 and once again ill make a example and most likly once again no one will have anything to say to my example but just keep on blurting out about bulking so for my example

frank zane one of the best physiques of all time 5 9 185 and yes that is farther than i have come by a long way but he also used steroids my only point here is that not everyone is made to be 190 or 200+ especially naturally which he isnt even natural but he has an amazing physique

no hes not HUGE and bulky but hes got a great physique that what i ment when iv been saying i dont want to look like a bodybuilder i want an asthetic athletic look with more mass than i have
[/quote]

Are you dumb or clinically retarded?

No shit you want to be small. We get that. What you dont get is that your goals can be achieved in a few months if you knew how to eat properly.

Go use steroids. Tell your friends how cool you are.

How many more times are you going to whine about wanting to be 185lbs with abs? You are the ONLY person here who thinks steroids are necessary to look like ryan reynolds yet you continue to bitch and moan.

How does it feel to make no progress for 2 years in your prime muscle building years? How did the test boosters at 18 years old work out for you? [/quote]

ryan reynolds is 6 2 188 i already have a physique bigger than his

once again all you have done is criticize show me some examples of naturals that have my goal physique and ill start taking you seriously
[/quote]

Its impossible. No human male has ever gotten bigger than 5’9 185lbs. Youve won the biggest natural ever award. Hats off to you sir. Im not even sure you can get to 185lbs with 5 grams of juice. You should probably stay on 10g per week indefinitely. That should get you to 185 in 10-15 years [/quote]

regardless of your sarcastic remarks i decided against the cycle now

fuck it ill see where some extra cals take me im not saying im gonna bulk up to where im fat but ill try doing 3200 instead of 3000 and see how that goes

i mean come on guys when your this good looking why even bother roiding?

on a serious note bonez as much as i hate to admit it you may be right about adding cals but i still dont agree with bulking up to the point where im putting on any considerable amount of bodyfat and lastly yes max ot works

Yeah that pic made you look even smaller than the first one you posted. And I see you use Isopure or whatever-thats carb free isolate only correct? So using that protein only you need to take it like every 1.5hrs or less because its fast acting. And 0 carb so that would explain (some of) your lack of calories. You need some new protein powders too imho. Like a complex with carbs-and a casein for night.

Good choice on improving diet first

You got a slow cooker? Toss a roast in for 8hrs, numm nummm nummm

[quote]DaJa wrote:
Yeah that pic made you look even smaller than the first one you posted. And I see you use Isopure or whatever-thats carb free isolate only correct? So using that protein only you need to take it like every 1.5hrs or less because its fast acting. And 0 carb so that would explain (some of) your lack of calories. You need some new protein powders too imho. Like a complex with carbs-and a casein for night.

Good choice on improving diet first

You got a slow cooker? Toss a roast in for 8hrs, numm nummm nummm[/quote]

i like isopure because it is so lean its litterally just pure protein and only about 10-15 cals from carbs and additives i can maximize my macro intake compared to some other protein powers that have less protein and higher cals instead of using a carb mixed protein shake post work out i have iso pure and a banana and a piece of bread post work out i was considering buying some waxy maize though for post work out

before bed i eat cottage cheese because its slow releasing as well as a table spoon of olive oil or two

im kind of a believer in eating a lot of whole foods i just feel that they are overall better utilized by the body than supplements

what im not sure if i want to do is if i want to do is with my increase in calories add them to my fat or add them to my protein and carbs from what i have read you only need about .3 .4 grams of fat per pound of body weight but ppl on here seemed to think otherwise im not quiet sure what they think the benefit would be

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
you guys are all very close minded idk what makes all of you think that everyone is ment to be 190+ especially at 5 9 and once again ill make a example and most likly once again no one will have anything to say to my example but just keep on blurting out about bulking so for my example

frank zane one of the best physiques of all time 5 9 185 and yes that is farther than i have come by a long way but he also used steroids my only point here is that not everyone is made to be 190 or 200+ especially naturally which he isnt even natural but he has an amazing physique

no hes not HUGE and bulky but hes got a great physique that what i ment when iv been saying i dont want to look like a bodybuilder i want an asthetic athletic look with more mass than i have
[/quote]

Are you dumb or clinically retarded?

No shit you want to be small. We get that. What you dont get is that your goals can be achieved in a few months if you knew how to eat properly.

Go use steroids. Tell your friends how cool you are.

How many more times are you going to whine about wanting to be 185lbs with abs? You are the ONLY person here who thinks steroids are necessary to look like ryan reynolds yet you continue to bitch and moan.

How does it feel to make no progress for 2 years in your prime muscle building years? How did the test boosters at 18 years old work out for you? [/quote]

ryan reynolds is 6 2 188 i already have a physique bigger than his

once again all you have done is criticize show me some examples of naturals that have my goal physique and ill start taking you seriously
[/quote]

Its impossible. No human male has ever gotten bigger than 5’9 185lbs. Youve won the biggest natural ever award. Hats off to you sir. Im not even sure you can get to 185lbs with 5 grams of juice. You should probably stay on 10g per week indefinitely. That should get you to 185 in 10-15 years [/quote]

I almost fell of my chair laughing at this one.

I have seen too many assholes taking grams of high quality gear a week, and looking exactly the same after their 16 week bulk, except having less hair and bigger nipples. Then they bitch and moan about “crap gear”.

Steroids are readily available, gyms are everywhere, yet how many people do you see that have any real muscle mass? Not many. The reason is that no-one tells you the correct way of doing things, and there is far more bullshit spread around by PT’s and “bro’s” than there is useful information.

Those assholes exist because they are simply lacking in a little knowledge. Like you, they thought “I know, ill try steroids and get huge”. When they do their first cycle, they wonder why the fuck they gained so little muscle, and lost most of the little gains they had in the first place. They waste time and money simply through ignorance.

And I know you are thinking that since you are natural now, that this doesn’t apply to you. Well, at your age you will gain very easily, and to gain weight you have to do exactly the same thing, EAT!

Think about it this way. If someone set you a goal of gaining 20lbs of FAT in twelve weeks, what would you do? You would stuff your face, day and night.

Why then when it comes to gaining 20lbs of MUSCLE, do people seem to think that eating “just over” your current calorie intake will cut it? If you increase you daily intake to 300 above maintence, if you have a more physically demanding week, you could burn off those 300 extra each day easily. How on earth can you build any muscle like this? You have to cover your bases. And it takes MORE calories to build a pound of muscle than a pound of fat, so go figure…

[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Beginning to wonder if this guy is a troll. But then, what kind of troll would invest so much time in writing essays like this?[/quote]

not a troll[/quote]

I was bored and just read all the posts of this insane thread. I do have one question, with your body weight, and using your claimed training weights in bench, squat, and deadlift, the using a rep calculator.So at 170 lbs, a bench of 275x5=316. A squat of 340x5=397 and a deadlift of “about 405” your totaling 1118. 1190 is Master for 165lb class, you should give up this bodybuilding idea and go into powerlifting. Your only 20, you could go elite by the time your 21.

[quote]Booban wrote:
I was bored and just read all the posts of this insane thread. I do have one question, with your body weight, and using your claimed training weights in bench, squat, and deadlift, the using a rep calculator.So at 170 lbs, a bench of 275x5=316. A squat of 340x5=397 and a deadlift of “about 405” your totaling 1118. 1190 is Master for 165lb class, you should give up this bodybuilding idea and go into powerlifting. Your only 20, you could go elite by the time your 21.[/quote]

The only problem you are making here is miscalculating ‘internet lifts’ to ‘real world lifts’ conversion factor, which is roughly 75%, as well as ‘gym lifts’ vs ‘competition lifts’ factor (about 65% if I guess correctly)…so he would be 1190*.025*.065…about 580 pounds…not bad really though…for the female division…

I was being a bit sarcastic, too many people take themselves way to seriously. I like your formula for cutting the internet bullshit. I figured it to be about 50%. Lets see what your boy has to say.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]Booban wrote:
I was bored and just read all the posts of this insane thread. I do have one question, with your body weight, and using your claimed training weights in bench, squat, and deadlift, the using a rep calculator.So at 170 lbs, a bench of 275x5=316. A squat of 340x5=397 and a deadlift of “about 405” your totaling 1118. 1190 is Master for 165lb class, you should give up this bodybuilding idea and go into powerlifting. Your only 20, you could go elite by the time your 21.[/quote]

The only problem you are making here is miscalculating ‘internet lifts’ to ‘real world lifts’ conversion factor, which is roughly 75%, as well as ‘gym lifts’ vs ‘competition lifts’ factor (about 65% if I guess correctly)…so he would be 1190*.025*.065…about 580 pounds…not bad really though…for the female division…[/quote]

i wont bullshit you guys my flat bench is about 315 i dont do back squats anymore because i have a bulged disc but at the time id say it was right about 370 for 1 rep and dead lift i could easly get 405 but i no longer do regular dead lifts either i do straight leg so i guess it doesnt really matter but i can def do more around 420 for deadlift

i have considered doing powerlifting for competition because it was suggested to me by a comptetative power lifter before he said he thinks i have real potential as well

but all in all i just enjoy the sport i still like to lift heavy but lifting for strength was pretty much my biggest goal until i was about 18 now i go for both so i think the max ot routine suits me really well

i dont think ill ever be a huge fan of volume training maybe iv just never constructed a routine that was very good with high volume but i feel its very hard to find the sweet spot with it i usually find myself eventually crossing into over training with volume training but who knows

and just for a final note i dont want to be a bodybuilder lol when i think of bodybuilder i think of a huge hulky guy that i mean for his goals thats great but im looking more for the fitness model look a lean aesthetic but also muscular look

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
and just for a final note i dont want to be a bodybuilder lol when i think of bodybuilder i think of a huge hulky guy that i mean for his goals thats great but im looking more for the fitness model look a lean aesthetic but also muscular look [/quote]

FWIW I don’t think I’ve seen a fitness model physique that wasn’t obtainable without drugs.

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
and just for a final note i dont want to be a bodybuilder lol when i think of bodybuilder i think of a huge hulky guy that i mean for his goals thats great but im looking more for the fitness model look a lean aesthetic but also muscular look [/quote]

FWIW I don’t think I’ve seen a fitness model physique that wasn’t obtainable without drugs.[/quote]

probably true unfortunate that a body thats unobtainable without drugs is the physique that becomes our standard

[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
and just for a final note i dont want to be a bodybuilder lol when i think of bodybuilder i think of a huge hulky guy that i mean for his goals thats great but im looking more for the fitness model look a lean aesthetic but also muscular look [/quote]

FWIW I don’t think I’ve seen a fitness model physique that wasn’t obtainable without drugs.[/quote]

probably true unfortunate that a body thats unobtainable without drugs is the physique that becomes our standard [/quote]

I think you read that wrong

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:
and just for a final note i dont want to be a bodybuilder lol when i think of bodybuilder i think of a huge hulky guy that i mean for his goals thats great but im looking more for the fitness model look a lean aesthetic but also muscular look [/quote]

FWIW I don’t think I’ve seen a fitness model physique that wasn’t obtainable without drugs.[/quote]

probably true unfortunate that a body thats unobtainable without drugs is the physique that becomes our standard [/quote]

I think you read that wrong[/quote]

apparently i did

there are fitness model physiques obtainable without drugs but im not sure i can agree that most are obtainable without drugs