What's Safer, PH or AAS?

Pharma
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Seeing that you are focused on the AAS deal, Just for shits and giggles: You say you have a good few months until you will be ready for a cycle-have it all prepared. Start drinking 1/2-1 gallon of whole milk a day. Try a weight gainer if you havent already. And please stop thinking about fat gain-thats easy enough to shed off later. Start bulking up now and see how you do. Who knows where you’ll be in three months. If you are seriouse enough to think about AAS use, You should be disciplined enough to bulk up heavy before the cycle comes to play.

As for infections and stuff-you’ld have to be one dirty F@%$#& to get one. And none should buy from just any source-but most are sterile, its potency and legitimacy that matters in reality. Good luck planning-go on. This thread should be dead now, your questions are answered.

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[quote]DaJa wrote:
Seeing that you are focused on the AAS deal, Just for shits and giggles: You say you have a good few months until you will be ready for a cycle-have it all prepared. Start drinking 1/2-1 gallon of whole milk a day. Try a weight gainer if you havent already. And please stop thinking about fat gain-thats easy enough to shed off later. Start bulking up now and see how you do. Who knows where you’ll be in three months. If you are seriouse enough to think about AAS use, You should be disciplined enough to bulk up heavy before the cycle comes to play.

As for infections and stuff-you’ld have to be one dirty F@%$#& to get one. And none should buy from just any source-but most are sterile, its potency and legitimacy that matters in reality. Good luck planning-go on. This thread should be dead now, your questions are answered.[/quote]

I think this is a horrible idea. The kid only eats 3000 calories now. He can easily add 400 calories from whole food and continue to gain weight.

He doesnt need 2400 extra calories from milk or garbage weight gainers. Youre talking to a kid whose afraid to lose his abs and you recommended GOMAD. Almost everyone whos done a gallon of milk per day gets fat. Adding a few table spoons of olive oil per day and a few beef meals per week would be plenty at this stage. He’s 5’9 170 eating 3k in calories ffs. Adding 400 calories in whole food is a walk in the park.

AND most UGLs are NOT sterile. The laboratories of giant pharmaceutical companies are pretty damn close to sterile. The quality of the gear should be of utmost importance. What good is potent gear if you develop an infected abscess? Health is “what matters in reality”. jeez

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Bonez is right. You are so lean in that photo, you are nuts if you don’t just try eating loads more. Put it this way, if someone told you could gain 20lbs of muscle in the next 12 weeks just by eating an extra 1000 calories a day, would you try it? And if you are worried about getting fat, throw some extra GPP in or tabata style workouts.

You’d need to eat more if you did gear so you might as well get the practice in.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]DaJa wrote:
Seeing that you are focused on the AAS deal, Just for shits and giggles: You say you have a good few months until you will be ready for a cycle-have it all prepared. Start drinking 1/2-1 gallon of whole milk a day. Try a weight gainer if you havent already. And please stop thinking about fat gain-thats easy enough to shed off later. Start bulking up now and see how you do. Who knows where you’ll be in three months. If you are seriouse enough to think about AAS use, You should be disciplined enough to bulk up heavy before the cycle comes to play.

As for infections and stuff-you’ld have to be one dirty F@%$#& to get one. And none should buy from just any source-but most are sterile, its potency and legitimacy that matters in reality. Good luck planning-go on. This thread should be dead now, your questions are answered.[/quote]

I think this is a horrible idea. The kid only eats 3000 calories now. He can easily add 400 calories from whole food and continue to gain weight.

He doesnt need 2400 extra calories from milk or garbage weight gainers. Youre talking to a kid whose afraid to lose his abs and you recommended GOMAD. Almost everyone whos done a gallon of milk per day gets fat. Adding a few table spoons of olive oil per day and a few beef meals per week would be plenty at this stage. He’s 5’9 170 eating 3k in calories ffs. Adding 400 calories in whole food is a walk in the park.

AND most UGLs are NOT sterile. The laboratories of giant pharmaceutical companies are pretty damn close to sterile. The quality of the gear should be of utmost importance. What good is potent gear if you develop an infected abscess? Health is “what matters in reality”. jeez[/quote]

i added calories to my diet since making this thread not 400 but i upped 100 and want to see how that goes then i may add more im just gonna post my diet for the fuck of it cuz even though you may think its calorie lacking it is a pretty good diet

so here we go

Meal 1
20 oz milk with 1 scoop protein powder (25 grams) 330 cals
2 peices whole grain bread 200 cals
1 Tbsp olive oil 120 cals

Meal 2 (pre work out)
6 large eggs whole 420 cals
cup and a half whole grain pasta (before cooked) 300 cals

Meal 3 (immidiatly after work out)
protein shake (50 grams) 220 cals
1 banana 105 cals
1 piece of whole grain bread 100 cals

Meal 4
8 oz chicken 280 cals
1-2 servings spinach
1/2 cup rice (before cooked) 320 cals

Meal 5
20 oz milk with 1 scoop protein powder (25 grams) 330 cals

Meal 6
1 1/2 cups cottages cheese 1% 240 cals
1 Tbsp olive oil 120 cals

6 grams of fish oil also adds to my fats i also do not add these cals to my diet so realistically i would be getting 3165 cals

so this comes out to
3105 cals

macros
protein 293
carbs 289
fats 60

if i add more cals ill probably be adding them to both protein and carbs maybe throw an extra egg in my 2nd meal and a banana in with my 5th meal

as far as bulking up i probably could benefit from the increase in cals but im really not a fan in heavy bulking iv done it before and it really didnt result in much more muscle mass than i think i could have gotten from lean gains

as far as the cycle its going to take some time to find a legit source i guess theres the potential to not even find one but im going to be to doing some investigating in finding a good source this is what iv decided as far as a cycle

Week 1-10 Test E 250 mg monday thursday
week 1-16 Adex .50mg every other day

PCT
week 13-14
clomid 50mg 2 times a day
week 15-16
clomid 50mg a day

im also going to buy nolva to have on hand incase of any gyno symptoms while on cycle

so i have some time to continue trying upping the cals and well see where that takes me and what i think by the time iv actually got everything figured out 3 months is quiet a while so who knows

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I will anwser in my oppinion. Screw H-drol did a cycle not very impressed mede me feel like shit neer the end of the cycle. Made some gains but nothing to impressive.

That said everyone is different but I would not waste my money on it again.

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When you said you tried bulking before, how do you know you did it properly? You are already on a low fat diet and you are saying its pretty good? Good for what? You need saturated fat to gain muscle optimally. Your diet is only good in that its controlled and relatively healthy. Thats not my definition of good. Good is meeting your goals, and your goal is to gain muscle mass. If you want a tight six pack, just keep doing what you are doing, you will stay slim, maybe put on few pounds of lean mass over a year, but you won’t be happy with your progress in a years time. If your fragile ego can handle looking a little fatter for six months, you might just be able to make some impressive gains.

I know its a leap, but seriously, try adding 1000 calories per day for a few months. If you are really worried about fat gain, do the following.

1)Increase the volume load in your routine, more reps and sets around 60-70% 1RM

2)Add some extra cardio sessions, or better yet, tabata workouts. If you don’t know what these are, do a search.

3)Only add the extra calories during and after a workout. This tip really works if your volume is high enough, but to do it effectively, you have to get the calories in in liquid form, I find a shake of wholemilk/peanut butter/olive oil/protein powder/cream the easiest way to do it. You can add way more like this really easily if you need to.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
When you said you tried bulking before, how do you know you did it properly? You are already on a low fat diet and you are saying its pretty good? Good for what? You need saturated fat to gain muscle optimally. Your diet is only good in that its controlled and relatively healthy. Thats not my definition of good. Good is meeting your goals, and your goal is to gain muscle mass. If you want a tight six pack, just keep doing what you are doing, you will stay slim, maybe put on few pounds of lean mass over a year, but you won’t be happy with your progress in a years time. If your fragile ego can handle looking a little fatter for six months, you might just be able to make some impressive gains.

I know its a leap, but seriously, try adding 1000 calories per day for a few months. If you are really worried about fat gain, do the following.

1)Increase the volume load in your routine, more reps and sets around 60-70% 1RM

2)Add some extra cardio sessions, or better yet, tabata workouts. If you don’t know what these are, do a search.

3)Only add the extra calories during and after a workout. This tip really works if your volume is high enough, but to do it effectively, you have to get the calories in in liquid form, I find a shake of wholemilk/peanut butter/olive oil/protein powder/cream the easiest way to do it. You can add way more like this really easily if you need to.[/quote]

well said

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
When you said you tried bulking before, how do you know you did it properly? You are already on a low fat diet and you are saying its pretty good? Good for what? You need saturated fat to gain muscle optimally. Your diet is only good in that its controlled and relatively healthy. Thats not my definition of good. Good is meeting your goals, and your goal is to gain muscle mass. If you want a tight six pack, just keep doing what you are doing, you will stay slim, maybe put on few pounds of lean mass over a year, but you won’t be happy with your progress in a years time. If your fragile ego can handle looking a little fatter for six months, you might just be able to make some impressive gains.

I know its a leap, but seriously, try adding 1000 calories per day for a few months. If you are really worried about fat gain, do the following.

1)Increase the volume load in your routine, more reps and sets around 60-70% 1RM

2)Add some extra cardio sessions, or better yet, tabata workouts. If you don’t know what these are, do a search.

3)Only add the extra calories during and after a workout. This tip really works if your volume is high enough, but to do it effectively, you have to get the calories in in liquid form, I find a shake of wholemilk/peanut butter/olive oil/protein powder/cream the easiest way to do it. You can add way more like this really easily if you need to.[/quote]

i didnt bulk as good as i could now but i did a decent bulk im not really on a low fat diet i dont see how 60 grams of fat is low im litterally getting 540 calories just from fat and from what iv read by layne norton theres no reason get get more than .3 .4 times your bodyweight in grams of fat during a bulk which im getting right baout .35 grams of fat per pound of body weight not to mention nearly half my fat comes from saturated fat eggs have plenty of saturated fat and i eat 6 large eggs every day

as far as your definition of good i dont see how a controlled and relatively healthy is nothing short of optimal your body isnt going to be working twards building more muscle if it isnt healthy its going to be working twards making you healthy then

as far as my ego you very misled i have no fragile ego since i bulked up staying between 195 and 185 for about 2 years until about 6 months ago and back then i was probably 15% bodyfat

and when you say if i want a tight 6 pack keep doing what im doing maybe ill gains a few pounds of muscle over a year whats wrong with that?? heres the trade off look good all year round put on a few pounds of muscle or look like shit most of the year and put on a few pounds of muscle… chances are at this point in my progress im not going to be putting on 10 pounds of muscle in a year 3 pounds is more reasonable id say

iv said this before max ot trainging style has been working better for me than volume training i have done both maybe one day ill try volume again but why switch from what is working at the moment?

there is no one superior work out plan different things work for different ppl you do realize that not every bodybuilder does high volume right? its not like every competitive bodybuilder does the same routine

and yes adding 1000 calories would be a huge leap and add more unwanted fat than needed if anything i should try adding 200 calories every week or two until i start to see fat gain and then keep my calories at the level when i started to see fat gain i dont know why you would just make the jump up to 1000 more cals its less effective in anyway you look at it

iv already addressed the routine and w/e else as far as upping cals and doing more cardio im not sure about how i feel with that cardio has been shown to decrease muscle gains so i am more of an advocate of getting your calories to the right level where you can gain but not so high that you need to do cardio in order not to gain access fat

EDIT as for the #3 in your statement i found that rather interesting and the timing of it although as we know im not doing high volume but i may try this in the future if i go back to high volume

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[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
When you said you tried bulking before, how do you know you did it properly? You are already on a low fat diet and you are saying its pretty good? Good for what? You need saturated fat to gain muscle optimally. Your diet is only good in that its controlled and relatively healthy. Thats not my definition of good. Good is meeting your goals, and your goal is to gain muscle mass. If you want a tight six pack, just keep doing what you are doing, you will stay slim, maybe put on few pounds of lean mass over a year, but you won’t be happy with your progress in a years time. If your fragile ego can handle looking a little fatter for six months, you might just be able to make some impressive gains.

I know its a leap, but seriously, try adding 1000 calories per day for a few months. If you are really worried about fat gain, do the following.

1)Increase the volume load in your routine, more reps and sets around 60-70% 1RM

2)Add some extra cardio sessions, or better yet, tabata workouts. If you don’t know what these are, do a search.

3)Only add the extra calories during and after a workout. This tip really works if your volume is high enough, but to do it effectively, you have to get the calories in in liquid form, I find a shake of wholemilk/peanut butter/olive oil/protein powder/cream the easiest way to do it. You can add way more like this really easily if you need to.[/quote]

i didnt bulk as good as i could now but i did a decent bulk im not really on a low fat diet i dont see how 60 grams of fat is low im litterally getting 540 calories just from fat and from what iv read by layne norton theres no reason get get more than .3 .4 times your bodyweight in grams of fat during a bulk which im getting right baout .35 grams of fat per pound of body weight not to mention nearly half my fat comes from saturated fat eggs have plenty of saturated fat and i eat 6 large eggs every day

and when you say if i want a tight 6 pack keep doing what im doing maybe ill gains a few pounds of muscle over a year whats wrong with that?? heres the trade off look good all year round put on a few pounds of muscle or look like shit most of the year and put on a few pounds of muscle… chances are at this point in my progress im not going to be putting on 10 pounds of muscle in a year 3 pounds is more reasonable id say
[/quote]

My breakfast shake alone has 70g of fat, I maintain my weight on about 3100 calories. If you were on super high carbs I could understand limiting the fat intake but 60g really isnt that much.

And that second paragraph from the edited quote is exactly what I meant when I said that you just dont get it. You talk like youve been doing this shit for 15 years. Your lack of real life experience is so obvious from your posts its not even funny. “At this point in my progress” YOU ARENT THAT BIG. Its bizarre that youve actually convinced yourself that youre an advanced lifter. How do you know what’s reasonble? Youre 20 years old. Everything you say is straight assumption.

If anyone is bodybuilding and ever “looks like shit” theyre doing it wrong.

If someone sets a limit in their head that 3lbs in a year is the best case scernario theyre doing it wrong. You are in the prime muscle building years of your life and you really think youre only going to gain 3 lbs of muscle a year if you do things right? Thats sad man, seriously. Its not surprising youre looking to steroids to make gains, youre afraid to push the envelope. You have a self defeating + “i know it all” attitude.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
When you said you tried bulking before, how do you know you did it properly? You are already on a low fat diet and you are saying its pretty good? Good for what? You need saturated fat to gain muscle optimally. Your diet is only good in that its controlled and relatively healthy. Thats not my definition of good. Good is meeting your goals, and your goal is to gain muscle mass. If you want a tight six pack, just keep doing what you are doing, you will stay slim, maybe put on few pounds of lean mass over a year, but you won’t be happy with your progress in a years time. If your fragile ego can handle looking a little fatter for six months, you might just be able to make some impressive gains.

I know its a leap, but seriously, try adding 1000 calories per day for a few months. If you are really worried about fat gain, do the following.

1)Increase the volume load in your routine, more reps and sets around 60-70% 1RM

2)Add some extra cardio sessions, or better yet, tabata workouts. If you don’t know what these are, do a search.

3)Only add the extra calories during and after a workout. This tip really works if your volume is high enough, but to do it effectively, you have to get the calories in in liquid form, I find a shake of wholemilk/peanut butter/olive oil/protein powder/cream the easiest way to do it. You can add way more like this really easily if you need to.[/quote]

i didnt bulk as good as i could now but i did a decent bulk im not really on a low fat diet i dont see how 60 grams of fat is low im litterally getting 540 calories just from fat and from what iv read by layne norton theres no reason get get more than .3 .4 times your bodyweight in grams of fat during a bulk which im getting right baout .35 grams of fat per pound of body weight not to mention nearly half my fat comes from saturated fat eggs have plenty of saturated fat and i eat 6 large eggs every day

and when you say if i want a tight 6 pack keep doing what im doing maybe ill gains a few pounds of muscle over a year whats wrong with that?? heres the trade off look good all year round put on a few pounds of muscle or look like shit most of the year and put on a few pounds of muscle… chances are at this point in my progress im not going to be putting on 10 pounds of muscle in a year 3 pounds is more reasonable id say
[/quote]

My breakfast shake alone has 70g of fat, I maintain my weight on about 3100 calories. If you were on super high carbs I could understand limiting the fat intake but 60g really isnt that much.

And that second paragraph from the edited quote is exactly what I meant when I said that you just dont get it. You talk like youve been doing this shit for 15 years. Your lack of real life experience is so obvious from your posts its not even funny. “At this point in my progress” YOU ARENT THAT BIG. Its bizarre that youve actually convinced yourself that youre an advanced lifter. How do you know what’s reasonble? Youre 20 years old. Everything you say is straight assumption.

If anyone is bodybuilding and ever “looks like shit” theyre doing it wrong.

If someone sets a limit in their head that 3lbs in a year is the best case scernario theyre doing it wrong. You are in the prime muscle building years of your life and you really think youre only going to gain 3 lbs of muscle a year if you do things right? Thats sad man, seriously. Its not surprising youre looking to steroids to make gains, youre afraid to push the envelope. You have a self defeating + “i know it all” attitude. [/quote]

were talking from 2 different perspectives here not everyone wants the same thing i dont think im THAT big i think i am big for my weight and being natural at my gym which isnt the most hardcore of gyms LA fitness im honestly one of the bigger guys there im bigger than ppl there that i know are on cycles not in bodyweight but visually i am bigger look i litterally just took this picture no angles

do i think im an advanced lifter? ya i think im more advanced than a lot of ppl im not saying im more advanced than everyone but dude i dont think i know it all but lets try to be real here i think your looking at this and only considering ppl who are bodybuilders and such in the real world ppl would love to have my physique i dont have the average physique no matter how you cut it do i look like a bodybuilder? no but thats not what im going for

im going for exactly what i look like i want to have an athletic asthetic look but also gain more mass and for ppl who arnt litterally bodybuilders it just doesnt make sense to do all the bulking and cutting they do anyone who doesnt want to compete and everything doesnt want to look overweight half the year

and if you think im self defeating then i could call you self defeating too this whole time iv been talking about lean gains and how thats what i work for and im going to make lean gains and this whole time your saying no not possible you have to bulk up your calories by 1000 thats the only way so were talking from two different perspectives i have a can do attitude about what my goals are lean gains you have a not possible attitude about that you just either dont relate to my goals or you think your way is the only way and im telling you its not

there are tons of people all over that make great lean gains there are even bodybuilders that dont like to get above 12% bodyfat thats not super lean but still reasonably lean there is no rule that fat gain is neccassary to gain muscle the only reason for bulking is to ensure your body is getting enough nutrients macros and calories to be able to gain the max amount of muscle so if someone was able to calculate the exact macros cals and nutrients they needed every day to build muscle they wouldnt gain an ounce of bodyfat and make the same gains they would if they were taking in 500 cals more than that same thing with fat your body only needs so much the excess isnt just forced into the muscles

you could call what im doing the harder route even since in your opinion its so much harder to make gains the way i want to and if thats my choice whats so wrong about that?

so far you have restated yourself over and over again and i get it you think that before deciding AAS are the answer i should take it as far as i can and bulk up then cut see where that gets me but what im wondering is why are you so gung ho on this? its not like im some newbie who never put any effort in or made any progress wanting to do roids obviously even if i do a cycle i have enough knowledge to be able to maintain those gains i cant tell what is so frustrating to you all youv said over and over again is basically that i have an option of weather to do them or not and i can still make natural progress as if you think im saying the only option is steroids because i cant make progress anymore without them

thats not what im saying i am making progress still every time i lift i increase in someway or another as i said before im not trying to say steroids are the only option iv been straight up about everything its not that steroids are the only option its that iv established a good base that i like learned how to maintain it and continue making gains now i want to push it up to the next level and no i dont want to bulk up for 6 months or so i want to enjoy my physique and hard work sorry i dont consider looking less appealing for a while part of the hard work the fact is i dont need to make anymore gains and i have a great physique as it is i might not be the biggest or a bodybuilder but i have a great physique and just because i want to push it to the limit with steroids i dont see why your so against it?

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I didnt read most of that post. But I never once said you should add 1000 calories to your diet or get fat.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I didnt read most of that post. But I never once said you should add 1000 calories to your diet or get fat.

[/quote]

w/e dude so far all youv done is nit pick anything im saying when from everything thats been said iv give examples and correct information based off of mainly natural pros which you have had nothing to say anything about and simply restated yourself saying “your not getting it” not providing any information to disprove what iv said or of what im not getting by the way other than saying that im self defeating which in my last post i proved how that was not correct either

you on the other hand have had no evidence to support anything youv said or any reason as to why what im saying is wrong all youv done is either change the situation or bash what ever i have said with no reasoning behind it

for example when you randomly spurt out that you get 70 grams of fat in you first meal of the day… congradulations man that doesnt change the fact that layne norton suggests only .3-.4 grams times your bodyweight in fat per day for a bulk and thats based of scientific research that more fat than that is generally just excess

id like to see you actually have some research or solid evidence in anything that youv said so far because so far everything youv said is pretty much opinion and sorry to say but “know it all attitude”

for the record lets just make this clear the post in which you quoted and said “well said” recommended upping my cals by 1000 so you may not litterally said it yourself but you supported it once again proving you wrong

not to mention when i asked you to provide any information about youself you failed to do so which more than likly means you probably juiced before your natural potential and are completely hypocritical

its been nice listening to your load of shit and yes it is that because so far youv done nothing to prove anything youv said has any evidence to support it on the other hand i have supported everything iv said with evidence

i also checked out your other forum posts and it appears that your life must just consist of going on hear and making condescending bashing remarks i have yet to see you post anything helpful in this thread or any of the other threads that you commented in

once again your a straight up dumbass and thats a challenge to see you make some good points with any type of evidence behind them
final note your a pussy and im guessing wont take me up on that challenge anyway since your last post where you said i didnt read everything but i never said you should take in 1000 more cals just proves you had no way of defending your previous statement against that post because your know your a joke

it was a pleasure pointing out all your arrogance and proving that you have nothing to offer and for the last time PLEASE prove me wrong thats a challenge

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You just wasted another 10 minutes of your time.

And you didnt check 6000 posts, but youre more than welcomed to as you may actually learn some stuff.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You just wasted another 10 minutes of your time.

And you didnt check 6000 posts, but youre more than welcomed to as you may actually learn some stuff. [/quote]

you just failed to adhere to my challenge just as i said you would

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[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You just wasted another 10 minutes of your time.

And you didnt check 6000 posts, but youre more than welcomed to as you may actually learn some stuff. [/quote]

you just failed to adhere to my challenge just as i said you would [/quote]

Youve been 175lbs since you were 18. Learn how to eat you clown.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]bbh90 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You just wasted another 10 minutes of your time.

And you didnt check 6000 posts, but youre more than welcomed to as you may actually learn some stuff. [/quote]

you just failed to adhere to my challenge just as i said you would [/quote]

Youve been 175lbs since you were 18. Learn how to eat you clown. [/quote]

i can eat i just choose to keep it under control otherwise id be takin in at least 4000 cals a day if all clean foods

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Beginning to wonder if this guy is a troll. But then, what kind of troll would invest so much time in writing essays like this?

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Beginning to wonder if this guy is a troll. But then, what kind of troll would invest so much time in writing essays like this?[/quote]

not a troll

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Heres why you come across as retarded.

  1. You want to gain muscle mass, and are so desperate to that you want to try steroids.
  2. You then state that you don’t want to be a bodybuilder. Erm, what do bodybuilders do?
  3. When told how to do this by people with way more experience and real world knowledge, you call them retarded!
  4. Are unable to get past the idea that to gain a lot of muscle, you need to gain a little fat.
  5. You believe that steroids are some magic ticket that will make you huge.

Heres why you should eat 1000 calories a day of humble pie.

  1. It will save you several years of working out, and staying exactly the same.
  2. You look like your average 20 year old. Scrawny
  3. When you add muscle mass, it is spread over your body. Even gaining 25lbs, which sounds like a lot, and is for a natural lifter, is not going to make you look very big. You will most likely just look more filled out.
  4. At your current rate of progress, you MAY have gained 25lbs in about 8 years. Nice.
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Call me dumb, but I would have stopped responding to homeboy a long time ago.

He wants to do 'roids, regardless of what anyone has to say to him that’s contrary.

So fuck him and let him do his thing and suffer the repercussions.

Simple.