I love it when the Smith machiners that do a half rep lockout try to do a standing strict press with BB or DB’s!
Fucking hilarious.
Way too many ‘big benchers’ crying about their shoulders hurting that can’t do a standing OH Press with half their bench weight. Does that tell you anything?..
[quote]No offence taken! I’m well aware that it’s easier than BB or DB but it’s still more than most people can press in gyms I frequent and a considerable improvement over what I used to be able to do… so I’m quite happy. Seeing as I train without a training partner it’s a far safer option for me than BB or DB’s.
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I actually find that going to heavy on hammer strength frequently is like going to heavy on leg extentions , leg press, or many machines , it leads to pain after awhile. I like to do hammer strength preexhausted.
If you ran up and kicked the hammer strength it would still follow the same plane of movement.
I love the overhead press and train it hard. I always do them standing. My pr is a 200lb single. I tripled 175 the week before my 200 single a year ago and this training cycle I was doing 3x3 @ 185. I was hoping to do my body weight for a single (215) but I tore my rotator cuff the following week benching 225(still havent figured that one out). I’m sure I created an imbalance somewhere. Is that strong? I think its pretty good, I have long arms.Will someone else, maybe not. Will someone call bullshit on this post? Probably but I have a repaired RC now, and I am going to cut out some overhead work when I get back to lifting until I figure out what went wrong. I’m not really bothered by what people think, I just want to lift again.
I have done 225 on barbell for two. Weighed about 215 at that time. Right now I believe I can hit 200 for two or three reps maybe more. This last Monday I hit 175 for six on my last set. I will try 200 next Monday.
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[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
I’ll play:
5’7 - 170 lbs
Bench press - 200 lbs for 7
Shoulder press - 155 for 4
Strong? I don’t know. For my weight, I think it’s alright.
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Me too. I routinely do
@ 6’ 175 lbs.
5x15 one-armed pushup
5x10x55 single-armed overhead press
5x25 handstand pushup
Do overhead presses standing and they will work your core too. I totally blew out a shoulder years ago and can’t bench so I do pushups instead.
jj
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
I actually find that going to heavy on hammer strength frequently is like going to heavy on leg extentions , leg press, or many machines , it leads to pain after awhile. I like to do hammer strength preexhausted.
If you ran up and kicked the hammer strength it would still follow the same plane of movement. [/quote]
Never given me any problems with my shoulders and I use it all the time- generally I’ll pre exhaust with this before going to dumbells.
I like machines because I can train to failure without fear of dropping anything on myself! I don’t like doing standing presses- find it hard on my back. I’d rather train back on back day and my shoulders on shoulder day…
Works for me anyway.
[quote]ianhambrecht wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ocn2000 wrote:
In real life, bodyweight for one rep would be a very good parameter. You can always go for more (reps or weight). On ths forum, you will need 2-3 times bodyweight to be considered strong by some memebers.
Uh, yeah, and you would also need arms bigger than 15" to call them “big”.
damn, this guys obsessed with 15" arms.
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He is only obsessed with mine…
155x4 @ 198
I can no longer do any type of overhead press except DB nuetral front presses.
Overhead pressing killed my shoulders. Now I get all my shoulder work from benching and doing side laterals.
I’ve gotten more shoulder work out of benching and boards Metal Militia style than any type of OHP.
To answer your original post. I think 185 military seating for the average guy is pretty strong. 205 for 7 is strong, of course its not competition level strength, but if you need a self-affirmation in what is strong you can be happy with 205.
Now that you know this what are you going to do stop? What was the point of the orignal question?
Your a pretty good person to post a video on the internet because some dude called you an internet shit-talker. Me personally I’m satisfied with saying what I do, and if the guy doesn’t believe me he can kiss my ass. I take everybody on here for the word unless its outrageous, specially since it doesn’t effect me at all.
Isn’t a strong military press one that is better than the person did in the past?
Seated presses are a stupid exercise to compare strength or brag about.
Now standing strict press, zero knee bend, is another story.
[quote]DLboy wrote:
Seated presses are a stupid exercise to compare strength or brag about.
Now standing strict press, zero knee bend, is another story.[/quote]
Doesn’t a seated press incorprate the strictness and no knee bend you talk about??
[quote]ocn2000 wrote:
DLboy wrote:
Seated presses are a stupid exercise to compare strength or brag about.
Now standing strict press, zero knee bend, is another story.
Doesn’t a seated press incorprate the strictness and no knee bend you talk about??[/quote]
You could argue that, but it lacks the instability of a standing press.
i can do the 60’s for 8 reps standing db military press. im 6 foot and 190 pounds u think thats straight?
[quote]dyejtmagraven wrote:
i can do the 60’s for 8 reps standing db military press. im 6 foot and 190 pounds u think thats straight?[/quote]
Dude, I’m 170 lbs at 5’7/8 and I can do standing DB military press with 75’s for 6-8.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
ocn2000 wrote:
DLboy wrote:
Seated presses are a stupid exercise to compare strength or brag about.
Now standing strict press, zero knee bend, is another story.
Doesn’t a seated press incorprate the strictness and no knee bend you talk about??
You could argue that, but it lacks the instability of a standing press.[/quote]
Yeah, I was not looking at it from that perspective. If you don’t have a strong “core” and support muscles, it will imit your lift. Not to mention the ability to lift and clean the weight to press it in the first place.
[quote]ocn2000 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
ocn2000 wrote:
DLboy wrote:
Seated presses are a stupid exercise to compare strength or brag about.
Now standing strict press, zero knee bend, is another story.
Doesn’t a seated press incorprate the strictness and no knee bend you talk about??
You could argue that, but it lacks the instability of a standing press.
Yeah, I was not looking at it from that perspective. If you don’t have a strong “core” and support muscles, it will imit your lift. Not to mention the ability to lift and clean the weight to press it in the first place. [/quote]
If you do it with a barbell, you can put it on a rack and lift it off of the rack without having to clean it. That’s basically a cheat and will probably lead to imbalances, but it’s a method to increase your lift…
A Good Shoulder Press number is Dependant on the lifters bodyweight. Period. This website has a chart indicating strength standards for the shoulder press (they call it just Press), bench press, squat, dead lift, and clean. This tool will tell you where you stand in the world of weightlifting and what a good lift is.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
A Good Shoulder Press number is Dependant on the lifters bodyweight. Period. This website has a chart indicating strength standards for the shoulder press (they call it just Press), bench press, squat, dead lift, and clean. This tool will tell you where you stand in the world of weightlifting and what a good lift is.
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.htm[/quote]
Any thoughts on how valid this is?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
A Good Shoulder Press number is Dependant on the lifters bodyweight. Period. This website has a chart indicating strength standards for the shoulder press (they call it just Press), bench press, squat, dead lift, and clean. This tool will tell you where you stand in the world of weightlifting and what a good lift is.
Any thoughts on how valid this is? [/quote]
Hell, I’m elite. Why argue with that.