[quote]malonetd wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
Im not trying to bragg or boast but I recently did 205 for 7 reps seated behind the neck. I was just curious what was thought strong. I weigh 215
Ive seen my shoulder press stronger than guys who can bench 150 lbs more than me.
I wish my whole body responded like my shoulders!
Thanks for the input guys!
What do YOU think is strong?[/quote]
I’ll work on a video, but I dont have a camera, and I only workout with someone very rarely.
So that being said I will have to use my shitty camera phone, have someone follow me in the gym to do so. Then learn how to attach it and load it to the internet. This will take a little time so bear with me.
I love nothing more than proving people wrong. If I was trying to lie about lift numbers I would be like pressing 275 or something.
What do I consider strong military press?
Anything 225 and over for reps!
REgarding professor x. I think some guys can have stronger chest and tris, but a weak overhead press. Yeah your right some are more scared when it comes to heavy weight, but some are actually just weak.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
Im not trying to bragg or boast but I recently did 205 for 7 reps seated behind the neck. I was just curious what was thought strong. I weigh 215
Ive seen my shoulder press stronger than guys who can bench 150 lbs more than me.
I wish my whole body responded like my shoulders!
Thanks for the input guys!
Just so you know, some people avoid going extremely heavy on behind the neck presses because of possible shoulder damage. Most of the big guys I have ever known who made that a mainstay in their training early on ended up having major shoulder injuries, some requiring surgery. That is one reason I began doing them on a smith machine and only coming down to ear level with the bar. Since then, I do most of my work lately on the Cybex plate loaded machines that mimic the same movement.
In other words, it really doesn’t matter that you overhead pressed more than someone else. If they can bench that much more than you, maybe they have their own reasons for not trying to set personal records with that one exercise. It obviously isn’t necessary for growth.[/quote]
PS. Bench has caused me worse shoulder problems than behind the neck presses ever has. Smith machine hurts worse than both of them. But then again two each his own right?
[quote]tora no’ shi wrote:
I would consider anything over a 200 pound shoulder press to be strong…i really don’t like setting standards by bodyweight, if some people here say that i would have to hit a 3x bodyweight press to be considered strong…than that would mean i would have to hit almost a 900 lb overhead press, i wish…but i’m not quite there yet:)
…i’ve had guys try to argue that even though they barely weigh over 100lbs. that because they lift 2x bodyweight on say, bench press…that they’re “relatively” just as strong or stronger than me…no, you’re still just benching 200ish pounds…[/quote]
Yeah, if you’re going to say a bodyweight press, you have to also specify that the lifter actually weigh something decent. If a person is going to harp on their relative strength and they don’t weight something decent, their ratio better be insane or I’m just going to laugh at them.
So, I’d say a 200+ lb strict press for reps is decently strong in your average gym for someone of average height. If you’re short (like 5’4"), I could see that dropping to 175 lb.
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
PS. Bench has caused me worse shoulder problems than behind the neck presses ever has. Smith machine hurts worse than both of them. But then again two each his own right?[/quote]
And even better yet…
“Rest satisfied with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please.” - Pythagoras
[quote]chicanerous wrote:
tora no’ shi wrote:
I would consider anything over a 200 pound shoulder press to be strong…i really don’t like setting standards by bodyweight, if some people here say that i would have to hit a 3x bodyweight press to be considered strong…than that would mean i would have to hit almost a 900 lb overhead press, i wish…but i’m not quite there yet:)
…i’ve had guys try to argue that even though they barely weigh over 100lbs. that because they lift 2x bodyweight on say, bench press…that they’re “relatively” just as strong or stronger than me…no, you’re still just benching 200ish pounds…
Yeah, if you’re going to say a bodyweight press, you have to also specify that the lifter actually weigh something decent. If a person is going to harp on their relative strength and they don’t weight something decent, their ratio better be insane or I’m just going to laugh at them.
So, I’d say a 200+ lb strict press for reps is decently strong in your average gym for someone of average height. If you’re short (like 5’4"), I could see that dropping to 175 lb.[/quote]
I’ll play:
5’7 - 170 lbs
Bench press - 200 lbs for 7
Shoulder press - 155 for 4
Strong? I don’t know. For my weight, I think it’s alright.
Any weight that’s more than the average joe uses will be looked upon as strong. It doesn’t even matter when you hit 1x bw. You won’t be satisfied and you never will be. It’s the nature of the beast.
then I waited 1 min and did a drop set with 185 if you look closely you can see the 25lb plate on the outside. I wasn’t thinking that it wouldn’t show, but by that time I was to taxed for another set.
Last week I did 100kg for five reps on my final set. That’s using a Hammerstrength type plate loaded machine. That’s just about my current bodyweight.With dumbells I can only use a 35kg (77lb) pair- I can’t get anything heavier up to my shoulders without assistance.
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
PS. Bench has caused me worse shoulder problems than behind the neck presses ever has. Smith machine hurts worse than both of them. But then again two each his own right?[/quote]
Smith machines suck my ass. You’re locked in one groove or track, plus there’s too much friction. Smith machine verry BAD. (picture the late, great Phil Hartman as Frankenstein on SNL).
The Hammer or other pivot-type machines are superior to the Smith since they follow somewhat of an arc, which is closer to simulating to free weight movement.
Finally, in a nutshell, only do BNP if you have the flexibility to keep the scaps locked back through the entire ROM.
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
Alright Dick, I went in the gym today after only one low carb meal, and having gone out last night. I fell short of 7 reps. But here you go. [/quote]
Dick? How’d you know my name was Richard?
Anyways, as malonetd stated, you gain a lot of credibility by having the nuts to show what you can do and not just talk about it like the vast majority of internet shit-talkers do.
Man, if I had a buck for every internet shit-wad that made big claims but never backed them up I’d be able to retire today.
[quote]unearth wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
Alright Dick, I went in the gym today after only one low carb meal, and having gone out last night. I fell short of 7 reps. But here you go.
Dick? How’d you know my name was Richard?
Anyways, as malonetd stated, you gain a lot of credibility by having the nuts to show what you can do and not just talk about it like the vast majority of internet shit-talkers do.
Man, if I had a buck for every internet shit-wad that made big claims but never backed them up I’d be able to retire today.[/quote]
yeah yeah I hear what your saying, I guess I sometimes just trust t-maggers!
[quote]djd21 wrote:
Last week I did 100kg for five reps on my final set. That’s using a Hammerstrength type plate loaded machine. That’s just about my current bodyweight.With dumbells I can only use a 35kg (77lb) pair- I can’t get anything heavier up to my shoulders without assistance.[/quote]
no offense but hammer strength is very easy, and does not have much carry over to barebell or dbs.
[quote]simon-hecubus wrote:
<<< Smith machines suck my ass. You’re locked in one groove or track, plus there’s too much friction. Smith machine verry BAD. (picture the late, great Phil Hartman as Frankenstein on SNL).
The Hammer or other pivot-type machines are superior to the Smith since they follow somewhat of an arc, which is closer to simulating to free weight movement.
Finally, in a nutshell, only do BNP if you have the flexibility to keep the scaps locked back through the entire ROM.[/quote]
I agree that Hammer Strength type machines are almost always better at their targeted movement, but I don’t go along with the Smith being a bad piece of equipment. It has it’s uses and can be very effective in those uses if utilized intelligently.
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
djd21 wrote:
Last week I did 100kg for five reps on my final set. That’s using a Hammerstrength type plate loaded machine. That’s just about my current bodyweight.With dumbells I can only use a 35kg (77lb) pair- I can’t get anything heavier up to my shoulders without assistance.
no offense but hammer strength is very easy, and does not have much carry over to barebell or dbs.[/quote]
No offence taken! I’m well aware that it’s easier than BB or DB but it’s still more than most people can press in gyms I frequent and a considerable improvement over what I used to be able to do… so I’m quite happy. Seeing as I train without a training partner it’s a far safer option for me than BB or DB’s.
As a rule of thumb I seem to remember reading somewhere that you should be able to shoulder press two-thirds of your bench press weight… It took a while for my shoulders to catch up my chest but they’re there now
